China Forcibly Separating Thousands Of Children From Families In Xinjiang, Report

[Dubious]

There is no evidence whatsoever for Zenz's claims. He sites sources, who he doesn't name, and these sources give rough estimates of number detained in small rural areas (think 1000-2000 people), then he "deduces" that these estimates can be generalized to the entire Muslim population in Xinjiang. His report is published online, it's 40 or 50 pages.

Then he gave a 600,000 high end estimate .... for people who have ever been in any "deradicalization" center for any period of time from a few days to years.

The media then says its 1 million permanently detained, then 2 million, 3 million, all without proof, substantiation or clarification.

Complete nonsense lies like EVERYTHING the West says about China if you have been paying attention. Don't be fooled.

I don't agree with all reports....Some propaganda videos of China are from unknowns sources...no one actually knows if those are actors....

Now who we can trust are neutral people like Indonesia...
@Indos posted a video and report from Indonesian paper about Indonesian officials who had been to the camps and were not satisfied. Interesting enough same reports in Chinese paper came with a flying colour pass for China! This is why I doubt chinese news as well...they exaggerate everyhing in their favour....which no one denies because that is how censorship looks like.

and some Chinese member came out and said that Indonesian version is fake or poorly translated. I understand bahasa Indonesia / Malay so telling me that was pure propaganda bs and when I questioned it....I am a biased mod lolz

 

[Goku]

Nah man, you have to pick and choose the good from bad, and vice is no good. There are many other reliable sources that you can get info from. Vice is pure propaganda

The interviewer speaks with local Uighurs as well as Han Chinese there so u get to hear views of both sides , doesn't look staged to me atleast, anyways believing anything is subjective

 

[Dubious]

Until you show the real evidence of 3 million Muslims been locked up as claimed by the west bitch media, otherwise, you west media shit is just laugh jokes which could only fool those IQ82...

No name calling
Keep it civil

 

[Nilgiri]

Nazi regime once mention this.

“If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.”

― adolf hitler

Ever thought it could apply to your side?

 

[Microsoft]

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I wont comment much or else i may get banned, this your forum , i have already received warnings

Not my forum but feel free to drop me a pm I'd like to know who else.

 

[Kai Liu]

I said 3 million somewhere? I clearly said I don't know the extent. I don't trust any media estimate either. But its clear something is happening. This much smoke without some sort of fire is very unlikely.

Now maybe I should ask @Dubious to not call me or others "IQ82" ? Especially given that "study" has been completely torn apart. So its pretty ironic you complain about fake news.

The whole argument is based on a west media claim, if you can not prove their credibility, than the whole argument is baseless, and we are wasting time...

 

[Dubious]

Nazi regime once mention this.

“If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.”

― adolf hitler

Now every media does it...so which one is telling truth? Chinese media is well known for censorship so how can one believe that?

 

[Dubious]

9-pages of comments on a fake news by the douche newspaper Forbes. Well you guys surely have a lot of time on your hands. And this is just one example that shows the power of fake news and its manipulation impact on ordinary people.

9 pages of a denial machine and abusing or bashing another....less to do with the issue and more to do with flexing muscle

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

The interviewer speaks with local Uighurs as well as Han Chinese there so u get to hear views of both sides , doesn't look staged to me atleast, anyways believing anything is subjective

I'll have a looks see and dig around. Havent watched it fully

 

[Dubious]

I said 3 million somewhere? I clearly said I don't know the extent. I don't trust any media estimate either. But its clear something is happening. This much smoke without some sort of fire is very unlikely.

Now maybe I should ask @Dubious to not call me or others "IQ82" ? Especially given that "study" has been completely torn apart. So its pretty ironic you complain about fake news.

Told him ...If either of you break rules....I will issue warnings next

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

9 pages of a denial machine and abusing or bashing another....less to do with the issue and more to do with flexing muscle

How good is the cybersecurity on this forum? I fear something coming form the communist nation, or a national of it.

 

[Dubious]

Your reason is invalid. You are just giving one side conclusion?

You mean sentence like " They dont even spare the grave." as a civilised way to discuss?

Aaren't you contradicting yourself here?

First you blame one for one sided arguments then you nit pick a part of a discussion as a one sided argument?

Why do waz, The eagle and Arsalan do not harbor such conclusion like you?

What conclusions?

As if Turkish members who don't run to moderator when their ideas run out and can't prove their stance. How many times Turkish members ask moderator to shut down Kurdish thread? Why I do not see the frustration from you regards to them?

Yes when it becomes a terrorist sympathising thread...or worse bashing thread

Why I do not see the frustration from you regards to them?

@WebMaster @Slav Defence

If you feel tired as moderator or you feel so burden as moderator. I can volunteer to take over your post.

@Dubious is not suitable as moderator, not impartial to do effective moderating to ensure all party equality. Look at his post and reply. Full of contempt against Chinese.

1. You can volunteer on your own chinese forums where everything is censored...After seeing your posts you won't be able to do much here except censor whole of China with praises only.
2. Turkish members have not mentioned me in a long time so take your guess why

Kindly don't derail the thread and discuss the topic at hand not other members

 

[055_destroyer]

Now every media does it...so which one is telling truth? Chinese media is well known for censorship so how can one believe that?

Censorship and faking news are 2 different things. Western media are master of fakery. I think I do not need to remind you.

 

[Dubious]

I advise moderator to stay out of discussion to prove your impartial. Your action just proves you are siding which camp which you can never command impartial when moderating

@WebMaster @Slav Defence

I advice chinese members to stop bullying other nationals

Censorship and faking news are 2 different things. Western media are master of fakery. I think I do not need to remind you.

And China is master of censorship.....which kind of ends up resulting to fakery
When you only represent good and no bad like due to censorship that in itself is fakery

 

[Nilgiri]

The whole argument is based on a west media claim, if you can not prove their credibility, than the whole argument is baseless, and we are wasting time...

Everything has to be such black and white? There cannot be some grey? What if I believe it is not "3 million" but its not "0" either?

I mean the satellite analysis is not looking too good regarding the mosques. Chinese govt has not even responded credibly on that. You really want us to believe its part of regular construction activities in region or something? Why it only started in last cpl years, videos as late as 2015 and even 2016 showed nothing of this scale by 3rd party evidence.....videos easily captured within the mosques and next to them, with large regular prayer activities taking place. Why these places are abandoned now...many even torn down? Or thats all "fake news"?

Western media simply had no bone to chew with you back then before? Or the more simple explanation that there is something going on that started in last couple years?

You telling me absolutely everyone BBC has on interview is some paid actor? Regular Turkish public (where lot of them are hosted) find them credible....they are all just wrong? Chinese govt denies their kids are in custody against the parent's will? If not, then what is going on exactly?

Why does Chinese govt prevent access and entry to lot of areas regarding mosques, schools, camps and such...if nothing nefarious going on there and thus nothing to hide?

Something simply doesnt add up.