China firm offers $50b for hydro projects

[Green Angel]

$50 Billion Wow ............. Excellent .

 

[Bang Galore]

According to Simla accord Pakistan and India would solve these disputes with bilateral talks hence to get international jurisdiction is no more the first priority but a last resort.

Technically Beas could be give to India as it originated and flow mostly in India, but Sutlej originated and the complete flow was in Pakistan still it was held to be Indian. Now Indus River flows 98% in Pakistan only 2% and its origin is in India hence the share can be 80-20.

Indian objection can only be relevant on those rivers that flow into India. Like Afghanistan has objected to Pakistan on building dam on Kabul river..

India won't object to Pakistani dams, the objection would be to any likely Chinese assistance. That is the diplomatic principle followed by both India & Pakistan on Kashmir which is why India builds all the dams herself as well as a counterpoint to China's position of India not involving in oil exploration in the South China Sea, off the coast of Vietnam, because they say it is disputed territory. Any Chinese financing of a dam in Kashmir should then be restricted on the same principle.

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

India won't object to Pakistani dams, the objection would be to any likely Chinese assistance. That is the diplomatic principle followed by both India & Pakistan on Kashmir which is why India builds all the dams herself as well as a counterpoint to China's position of India not involving in oil exploration in the South China Sea, off the coast of Vietnam, because they say it is disputed territory. Any Chinese financing of a dam in Kashmir should then be restricted on the same principle.

LOL
China is the bone of contention... Lets consider if these dams are not constructed by China but by Germany or some other Countries assistance then what is India going to do?

 

[Bang Galore]

LOL
China is the bone of contention... Lets consider if these dams are not constructed by China but by Germany or some other Countries assistance then what is India going to do?

China is the bone of contention for obvious reasons but the principle I mentioned is why no international fund usually involves itself in such projects. No other country would get involved for the same reasons.

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

China is the bone of contention for obvious reasons but the principle I mentioned is why no international fund usually involves itself in such projects. No other country would get involved for the same reasons.

Ok then lets find a solution (hypothetically)...India and Pakistan (mutual 50/50 basis) could finance all the dams that can be made in Kashmir area...Unfortunately the down side would be that India would have lost 50% of it claim on Kashmir... A big FAIL on part of Indian Politician's.

 

[Sulman Badshah]

Katzara Dam (Skardu Dam)

that one isn't happening ... this one will be the natural disaster to the tourisim, GB and wildlife

 

[Kabira]

India won't object to Pakistani dams, the objection would be to any likely Chinese assistance. That is the diplomatic principle followed by both India & Pakistan on Kashmir which is why India builds all the dams herself as well as a counterpoint to China's position of India not involving in oil exploration in the South China Sea, off the coast of Vietnam, because they say it is disputed territory. Any Chinese financing of a dam in Kashmir should then be restricted on the same principle.

Mallu bhai stop hating and being jelous all the time,

Before being happy I would like to know under what conditions they are offering $50 billion? But with $50b Pakistan can build Bhasha/Dasu/Bunji and then some more.

 

[Silicon0000]

Diamer Bhasha Dam
Bunji Dam
Satpara Dam
Dasu Dam
Kurram Tangi Dam
Munda Dam
Katzara Dam (Skardu Dam)
Neelum Jehlum
Karot
Sukhi Kinari

we have to make these dams first.... why waste time on a dam which is controversial ????

 

[Kompromat]

What will a 96 Billion dollar investment do to Pakistani economy?

 

[[Bregs]]

Hydel energy is cheapest, cleanest and environment friendly and damn also helps in irrigations

 

[Kabira]

What will a 96 Billion dollar investment do to Pakistani economy?

This kind of investment in dams will be game changer for Pakistan.

 

[Silicon0000]

Diamer Bhasha Dam
Bunji Dam
Satpara Dam
Dasu Dam
Kurram Tangi Dam
Munda Dam
Katzara Dam (Skardu Dam)
Neelum Jehlum
Karot
Sukhi Kinari

we have to make these dams first.... why waste time on a dam which is controversial ????

 

[Muhammad Omar]

It is not controversial. It was, unfortunately made controversial by our incompetent politicians. Reasons for opposing this dam were that it would give less water to a certain province such as Sindh and KPK and give it's water to Punjab. Now these people have no idea what they are talking about, in fact Kalabagh would increase water flowing to these provinces.
“Critics argue that if the dam is built, it would turn Sindh into a desert, but the experts are of the opinion that the province would get additional 4.75 million acre feet of water. Punjab would receive additional 2.04 MAF, Balochistan 1.56 MAF and K-P 2.01 MAF.”

Advantages of Kalabagh dam.

Terming the Kalabagh Dam a lifeline for the country’s future, the speakers at a seminar said that the vision of Quaid-e-Azam was to build Kalabagh Dam (Mianwali Hydro Project) and Nara Canal to meet energy requirements through cheep electricity and provide water to the desert of Thar.
“The country’s parliament, in its first budget session in presence of Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah, had approved the 500MW Mianwali Hydropower Project (Kalabagh Dam) in 1948 with a view to generate power through hydel production.
After the creation of Pakistan, the government under the leadership of Quaid-e-Azam, focused the growth of economy based on agro industry. At that time when the country’s power generation capacity was only 60MW the first budget session approved the construction of KBD,” observed Chairman Sindh Tas Water Council Pakistan Muhammad Suleman Khan at a seminar organized by the Institution of Engineers Pakistan.
Quoting a Wapda report, he stated that the annual electricity generated at Kalabagh Dam would be equivalent to 20 million barrels of oil otherwise needed to produce costly thermal power. This annual import of fuel would require augmentation of transportation infrastructure. It is the additional burden of billion of U.S dollars per annum to the economy.
“IRSA is responsible authority of four of the provinces and federal government. Its Chairman Engr. Raqib Khan (who belongs to Khyber Pk) has written an official letter to the Secretary, Ministry of Water & Power, Government of Pakistan for the water crises in the country. He wrote “IRSA strongly recommended the construction of new water storages of at least 22 MAF capacity on all the feasible sites on war footing basis as agriculture is the back bone of the country’s economy (it is point to note that the capacity of Kalabagh Dam is only 6.1Maf). The new storages will help to improve the diminishing per capita water availability, increase in GDP, control of floods etc., besides availability of cheap environment friendly Hydel Power to overcome the Power crises being faced by the country which is giving a serious setback to the economy.
Chairman Pakistan Engineering Council, Engr Abdul Qadir Shah, who is the brother of Syed Khurshid Shah, senior opposition leader of Pakistan People’s Party and the opposition leader in National Assembly, said at the event of World Water Day that “We have only the storage of 50 days whereas Egypt has 700 days storage in Aswan Dam, China is a big country of huge population has the storage of 500 days whether India has the storage of 120-220 days. We are facing horrible shortage of water. We have to build dams at any cost otherwise after 10-15 years, Pakistan will be the land of deserts.
“Critics argue that if the dam is built, it would turn Sindh into a desert, but the experts are of the opinion that the province would get additional 4.75 million acre feet of water. Punjab would receive additional 2.04 MAF, Balochistan 1.56 MAF and K-P 2.01 MAF.”
The IEP Lahore chapter president Capt (r) Khalid Sajjad, addressing the seminar, said that a general consensus could not be reached as the dam issue has been much politicised. The civil society would have to play a crucial role in creating a larger consensus as new large water reservoirs would benefit every Pakistani, he said.
Engineer Khalid Sajjad said that the Institution of Engineers Pakistan is running a campaign to pave way for the construction of Kalabagh Dam, which is a lifeline for the country’s future. The IEP is holding seminars and discussions with experts to clear any misunderstandings impeding its materialization, he added.
He said that poverty, hunger and darkness would be our fate if we don’t build dams to store water, which is depleting fast. Nation will not forgive people who are opposing Kalabagh Dam for their own interests, he said. Khalid Sajjad stated that only because of government’s silence over KBD, the country is suffering a loss of Rs132 billion annually. This amount could be saved by initiating construction of the dam. He said that another significant aspect connected with the construction is the surety of sufficient amount of electricity at a much cheaper price. “The capacity of the dam is equal to the capacity of 750 medium dams. The country’s dependence on power generated through thermal sources is costing us a lot and we face formidable challenges in both national and internationalmarkets.

There are many alternatives too.

there are 12 alternatives to kalabagh..so crying over kalabagh is nothing but an excuse not to build any dams...
its like child wanting to buy corolla 2013 model when corolla 2014, 2015 are there
few examples are
1. akhori
2.sanjwal
3.rotas
4. bhahsa
5.dok pathan
6. bahtar

other than no. 4 all can be built within 4-5 years due to their location and were proposed as alternatives to kalabagh

i am not even talking about the immense potential up stream bhasha

Kalabagh Dam a lifeline for country’s future

It can irrigate Sindhs deserts and solve water problem in Sindh. Unfortunately politicians in this country have done everything in their domain to destroy everything.

I know it was made controversial by Patriotic parties like ANP and others just like they were trying to make CPEC controversial.... m not Against Any Dam Gen Raheel and Nawaz Should call APC for this dam to properly give briefing on it....

Thing is we need dams ASAP.... Grab this Chinese offer


that 96 billion dollars will change the face of Pakistan with CPEC and dams...... Plus Chinese will make sure that money is spend wisely and on time with no delays....

 

[Kabira]

Hydel energy is cheapest, cleanest and environment friendly and damn also helps in irrigations

Don't take me wrong, but its hard to believe you are Indian going by your posts in Pakistani threads

 

[Hurter]

Grab it quick.. Build Dams ASAP....

Sharmila Farooqi aur us k followers apni jaan de denge, lakin Dam nai bane denge.... What a hoe she is