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Nah. Its just fun seeing you chaps being sour and sulking and calling it amusing while burning inside. Its fine. The hurt is very visible.

It is sad to see every one for a nation of 1.3 billion has to use this very same achievement to make a point, as if there was nothing else worth mentioning.
 
It is sad to see every one for a nation of 1.3 billion has to use this very same achievement to make a point, as if there was nothing else worth mentioning.

Actually seem to be two chinese members squabbling for majority of this thread :P ...one of them claims serbian residence too....amusing read.

Have to say this time my friend.... there was no need for "han patriot" guy to drag India in here in first place. Could easily have just been a thread about Chinese space technology export purely.

Well, you guys ruin this thread ,again!

Yeah for sure lol. Anyways congrats to China.
 
Actually seem to be two chinese members squabbling for majority of this thread :P ...one of them claims serbian residence too....amusing read.

Have to say this time my friend.... there was no need for "han patriot" guy to drag India in here in first place. Could easily have just been a thread about Chinese space technology export purely.



Yeah for sure lol. Anyways congrats to China.

Point well taken, my friend.
 
Ahem no. You were the person who said "@Bussard Ramjet :welcome:, any HTS satellites from India?" in this thread. Now that is conveniently deleted.

And then when I told you there are 3 satellites lined up, realised your mistake and then went on about how superior Chinese technology was and how backward the Indian program is. And I asked you about your Mars mission. Don't blame me for this nonsense.



Nah. Its just fun seeing you chaps being sour and sulking and calling it amusing while burning inside. Its fine. The hurt is very visible.
It was to Bussard Ramjet not you right? And I didn't delete my message. Btw, realising what mistake? You are 'planning' to launch HTS satellites, you were also planning to send humans to space a few years back.

It's okay to compare Indian HTS effort in this threat since this is about HTS anyway. You were the one bringing in Mars all of a sudden when I pointed out about the import content of you programs.

Btw, Surya, you still haven't asnwer me how advanced the PSLV was compared to Chini rockets, since supapowa 2012 went to Mars earlier than China.

Actually seem to be two chinese members squabbling for majority of this thread :P ...one of them claims serbian residence too....amusing read.

Have to say this time my friend.... there was no need for "han patriot" guy to drag India in here in first place. Could easily have just been a thread about Chinese space technology export purely.



Yeah for sure lol. Anyways congrats to China.
Because only two Chinis would take the time to argue with an Indy. The rest just dun care and move on....
 
Yeah for sure lol. Anyways congrats to China.
Don't blame me buddy. I did not pull in India in this thread. That trophy goes to your friend who does it in every Indian thread. Just returned his favour this time.
Guys, there is always something we need to put up with in our life, for example, our wives.
So enjoy the debate here. Since it is a military forum and we hate each other.
 
It was to Bussard Ramjet not you right? And I didn't delete my message. Btw, realising what mistake? You are 'planning' to launch HTS satellites, you were also planning to send humans to space a few years back.

It's okay to compare Indian HTS effort in this threat since this is about HTS anyway. You were the one bringing in Mars all of a sudden when I pointed out about the import content of you programs.

Btw, Surya, you still haven't asnwer me how advanced the PSLV was compared to Chini rockets, since supapowa 2012 went to Mars earlier than China.

When you have a workhorse rocket you use a workhorse rocket. For higher tonnage you use the MkII. Which part of that did you not understand? And please, I do know your history on the forum. Let's be honest. You did not know India was launching those satellites and when you realised, you scrambled into technology and how bad the Indian program is. That's when I told you, if the program was so bad and yours so good, how come you do not have a Mars mission, while we do? Such an innocent question?

Guys, there is always something we need to put up with in our life, for example, our wives.
So enjoy the debate here. Since it is a military forum and we hate each other.
Am out of here buddy. It was good entertainment!!!:pop:
 
When you have a workhorse rocket you use a workhorse rocket. For higher tonnage you use the MkII. Which part of that did you not understand? And please, I do know your history on the forum. Let's be honest. You did not know India was launching those satellites and when you realised, you scrambled into technology and how bad the Indian program is. That's when I told you, if the program was so bad and yours so good, how come you do not have a Mars mission, while we do? Such an innocent question?


Am out of here buddy. It was good entertainment!!!:pop:
That's the question, what is stopping China? We have a better launch vehicle, better satellite technology and hell more funding. What is stopping us? I have argued this in another channel with a few Indians before. Let me give you some hint, cough cough, Nasa, cough cough , Deep....cough ...space....cough ....tracking.....

Btw, you still haven't answer me, how much better is PSLV compared to a CZ-3B, don't give me so much horse shit. The fact is only PSLV is matured enough to launch anything, your MKII and MKIII are still not fully rated, especially your MKII which failed miserably before this.

Has the HTS been launched? No right? The same goes with all your programs, do it first then talk. Don't tell me what is planned. And I was also questioning the amount of indigenous content knowing well that Indians are infamous of 'systems engg' aka assembling stuff rather than producing stuff
 
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Btw, you still haven't answer me, how much better is PSLV compared to a CZ-3B, don't give me so much horse shit. The fact is only PSLV is matured enough to launch anything, your MKII and MKIII are still not fully rated, especially your MKII which failed miserably before this.

Mk II please read up. And you have still not answered me. You can talk about NASA, deep space everything. Moot point is you have not had a successful Mars mission. Even a basic one. Let's wait for, let me see.....cough cough 3 years. And that too, let's see if you succeed. Till then, guess what is going to get rubbed in your face everytime you bring in India in a space thread! We have a SUCCESSFUL Mars Mission. You don't. Moral of the story. Stick to Chinese success. Drag India in and we will rub it back for the next minimum 3 years with a SUCCESSFUL Mars mission.
 
The question was why China with a much more advance launch vehicle and satellite technology can't send a probe to Mars. You just answered your own question. Now let me ask you the same question, why do you think we are not sending it to Mars since technologically, we are overwhelmingly more advanced than India?

You can declare MKII as the best launch vehicle all I care, I just know nobody would take a launch vehicle launching 2 tonnes+ seriously when most advanced satellites are at least 4 tonnes+.

As usual, the Indians will jump like monkeys with the slightest of achievement, supa powa 2012.
 
The question was why China with a much more advance launch vehicle and satellite technology can't send a probe to Mars. You just answered your own question. Now let me ask you the same question, why do you think we are not sending it to Mars since technologically, we are overwhelmingly more advanced than India?

China are planning something even bigger than just a orbiter probe to Mars which has a higher payload. China is going to send an orbiter and a Mars rover at the same time in 2020 which is impossible to be achieved by Indian space agency in 2020.
 
China are planning something even bigger than just a orbiter probe to Mars which has a higher payload. China is going to send an orbiter and a Mars rover at the same time in 2020 which is impossible to be achieved by Indian space agency in 2020.
Mars had always been at the backburner, but to shut this annoying Indians once and for all, just send that rover and claim the first Asian to send a rover on the first attempt, then these clowns would accept they are second class supa powa 2012.
 
Mars had always been at the backburner, but to shut this annoying Indians once and for all, just send that rover and claim the first Asian to send a rover on the first attempt, then these clowns would accept they are second class supa powa 2012.
Let these clown be in their delusion. China can't beat them in everything including ill efficiency. They definitely need to be number in some areas. :enjoy:
 
Yes India is not yet ready as China for building of their own satellites. India depends on some imports from western countries & Japan.


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Atomic clocks also are imported.

India is still leasing many "C" band transponders from Saudi Arabia.

BEL Hands Over Satellite Hardware to ISRO

In a brief function held this afternoon (October 30, 2002) at Antariksh Bhavan, Bangalore, the Headquarters of ISRO, Dr V K Koshy, Chairman and Managing Director, Bharat Electronics (BE) formally handed over the Invar Filters to Dr K Kasturirangan, Chairman, ISRO. These Invar filters, which are very sophisticated and precision components, are to be used in the communication transponders of INSAT-3E and future spacecraft. The Invar Filters are the first batch of space-qualified components produced by BE under a contract with ISRO's Space Applications Centre, Ahmedabad, signed in March 2000.

BE is also producing C-band and Ku-band receivers for ISRO's communication satellites, which involve the use of microwave integrated circuits and are to be assembled under clean environment. ISRO has transferred the technology for the Invar Filters and Receivers to BE besides training BE personnel in their production. ISRO has funded BE for setting up specific facilities required for producing space hardware in addition to allowing it to make use of ISRO's sophisticated facilities like the Electronic Beam Welding. Besides satellite components, BE has also received orders from ISRO for the supply of ground terminal equipment like Mobile Satellite Services reporting terminals and L-band Demodulators.

It is expected that BE will supply space hardware worth about Rs 200 Crore in the next five years.

Since its inception, ISRO has been striving to involve the Indian industries in its space programme. With the substantial increase in the scope of the space programme, both in terms of number of launch vehicles and satellites being developed and launched by ISRO, the efforts to involve industry is receiving further fillip. The ISRO efforts are now aimed at making the industries graduate from supplying parts and components to supplying major systems required by ISRO's satellites and launch vehicles. Delivery of the Invar Filters by BE today is the result of one such effort.

http://www.isro.gov.in/update/30-oct-2002/bel-hands-over-satellite-hardware-to-isro

http://www.rediff.com/money/2002/apr/29bel1.htm


India’s progress in space has been very systematic starting with experimental satellites like Aryabhatta, Bhaskara, Apple and Rohini. It performed satellite application experiments like SITE, STEP and Apple application programme. The operational space services consist of INSAT system and Indian Remote Sensing Satellites (IRS). The Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) made a modest beginning in launch vehicles like SLV-3, and ASLV. The first development flight of the indigenous Polar Satellite Launch Vehicle (PSLV) was carried out in 1992 which could put 1,000 kg class remote sensing satellite into 900 km polar sun-synchronous orbit.

India has acquired eminence in world class space science. It has mastered modern space technology and its various applications for the benefit of society. New space technology is being utilised for telecommunications, television broadcasts, weather watch and for providing information relating to agriculture, forests, water resources and minerals to mention a few.

In the past three decades ISRO has built an infrastructure sector of space programme – construction and operation of satellites and their launch vehicles, ground station and sensors. ISRO has also collaborated with other Indian institutions and over 250 private industries. Both private and public sectors manufacture a vanity of equipment and materials – light alloy structure for inter-stages, motor cases, liquid thrusters, propellant tanks, gas generation and electronic packages. The second launch facility at Sriharikota at a cost of Rs.280 crore is under construction.

Launch Business

In May last year ISRO embarked on the launch business through PSLV-C2 launch, thereby creating a strong impact on the global space market by successfully launching two foreign satellites along with its own ocean monitoring remote sensing satellite. They were launched by the PSLV. ISRO’s marketing agency Autrix Corporation has entered the world market with great success. It aims to secure about 20 per cent of the global share of remote sensing products. It is gratifying to note that PSLV with certain modifications can put payloads up to 4,000 kg into low earth orbits (LEO’s) and up to 800 kg into geo-synchronous transfer orbits (GTO’s).

So far India has been dependent on Ariane Space, the French space agency, for launching its satellites. But gradually ISRO is trying to make use of its own launching vehicles. Sriharikota’s proximity to the equator gives it a better payload advantage for any polar launch. The flight of INSAT-3B, INSAT-3A and the GSLV will take ISRO into higher orbit. Once the GSLV is declared operational, India’s future INSAT satellites will be launched by this rocket.

Reduced Costs

The Chairman of ISRO, Dr K Kasturirangan has projected a significant lowering of space launch costs in the country in the next few decades. While the cost for positioning one kg of material in space today was $20,000 it was presaged that the same would come down to $5000 by 2007 and as low as $500 per kg between 2030-2050. Fully reusable vehicles have also been foreseen. He reveals hat the performance efficiency of Indian spacecraft is on the increase.

According to Aerospace America, Indian remote sensing commercial satellites are among the best in the world. IRS-1C and IRS-ID provide the best high resolution data to the user community anywhere in the world and the data from these satellites are being received and used by several countries including the US, Japan, Germany, Korea, Thailand and Dubai.

India has now established credibility as a space technology vendor. The world’s largest satellite manufacturer in the US has ordered satellite hardware worth US $700,000 from India. India’s space technology export earnings have tripled from around Rs.10 crore to Rs.30 crore over the past three years.

INSAT-3B

Recently, ISRO launched the first of the third generation communication satellite INSAT-3B. This 2,070 kg satellite is primarily intended for business, development and mobile communications. It would almost double the transponder capacity. It would provide the first set of transponders for interactive training and developmental communications as part of the Vidya Vahini programme announced by the Prime Minister.

Indian space scientists are now engaged in the development of cryogenic engine, required for GSLV in future. Last February the test of first home-made cryogenic rocket engine was carried out but a hydrogen leak probably led to premature termination of the test. But scientists say the problem will soon be solved. The test was carried out at the Liquid Propulsion Systems Centre at Mahendragiri in Tamil Nadu.

Experts agree that India crossed an important milestone in the development of indigenous cryogenic upper stage for GSLV. The engine had employed liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen. This short duration test proved that many operations were successful which were done for the first time. Valuable data have been collected which are being analysed for further tests.

Towards Moon

Coming on the heels of all these developments is ISRO’s plan to go to the moon. ISRO has already begun preliminary studies to assess the feasibility of undertaking such a mission. ISRO’s satellite centre director, Dr P S Goel, says the study will cover scientific benefits which could be derived from the lunar mission. ISRO’s PSLV is a proven rocket and is capable of flying up to the lunar orbit. If India’s mission to the moon succeeds, then it would have joined the US and the former Soviet Union in making its presence felt in the lunar environment.

ISRO is also planning to launch a series of remote sensing satellites with a variety of applications including one solely dedicated to the field of astronomy.

Indian space scientists foresee several developments in the new millennium when they can scale new heights. Revolutionary developments in the fields of communication, information and micro- electronics are driving greater convergence and forging new directions for aerospace programmes. "Space would be a strong tool for development in future" sys Dr Kasturirangan. He is of the view that from development of civil applications such as personal mobile communications at a global level and management of natural disasters to futuristic vistas such as space power generation and space tourism the new possibilities are unlimited.

India’s experience has clearly shown that the investment in space always pays through remote sensing and telecommunications. By being fully self-reliant in space activities, it is certain that the resulting contribution from the space programme to the Indian GDP will be markedly significant.

http://pib.nic.in/feature/feyr2000/fapr2000/f240420001.html


So, Try harder next time.

And as for capability issue of satellites of ISRO.

Then people can themselves capable to decide over Weight V/S Transponders issue.

Paksat-1R
Transponders
Band
12 C-band
18 Ku-band

Launch mass 5,115 kilograms (11,277 lb)


GSAT-16

Launch mass 3,100 kilograms (6,800 lb)
Transponders
Band
12 Ku-band
24 C-band
12 Extended C band

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paksat-1R
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSAT-16


I also want to comment on this image. Why posting a image from 90s? The modern ISRO's communication sat based on I-3K look something like this.

Dont post BS.
gsat-16.jpg
 
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BEL Hands Over Satellite Hardware to ISRO

In a brief function held this afternoon (October 30, 2002) at Antariksh Bhavan, Bangalore, the Headquarters of ISRO, Dr V K Koshy, Chairman and Managing Director, Bharat Electronics (BE) formally handed over the Invar Filters to Dr K Kasturirangan, Chairman, ISRO. These Invar filters, which are very sophisticated and precision components, are to be used in the communication transponders of INSAT-3E and future spacecraft. The Invar Filters are the first batch of space-qualified components produced by BE under a contract with ISRO's Space Applications Centre, Ahmedabad, signed in March 2000.

BE is also producing C-band and Ku-band receivers for ISRO's communication satellites, which involve the use of microwave integrated circuits and are to be assembled under clean environment. ISRO has transferred the technology for the Invar Filters and Receivers to BE besides training BE personnel in their production. ISRO has funded BE for setting up specific facilities required for producing space hardware in addition to allowing it to make use of ISRO's sophisticated facilities like the Electronic Beam Welding. Besides satellite components, BE has also received orders from ISRO for the supply of ground terminal equipment like Mobile Satellite Services reporting terminals and L-band Demodulators.

It is expected that BE will supply space hardware worth about Rs 200 Crore in the next five years.

Since its inception, ISRO has been striving to involve the Indian industries in its space programme. With the substantial increase in the scope of the space programme, both in terms of number of launch vehicles and satellites being developed and launched by ISRO, the efforts to involve industry is receiving further fillip. The ISRO efforts are now aimed at making the industries graduate from supplying parts and components to supplying major systems required by ISRO's satellites and launch vehicles. Delivery of the Invar Filters by BE today is the result of one such effort.

http://www.isro.gov.in/update/30-oct-2002/bel-hands-over-satellite-hardware-to-isro

http://www.rediff.com/money/2002/apr/29bel1.htm


India’s progress in space has been very systematic starting with experimental satellites like Aryabhatta, Bhaskara, Apple and Rohini. It performed satellite application experiments like SITE, STEP and Apple application programme. The operational space services consist of INSAT system and Indian Remote Sensing Satellites (IRS). The Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) made a modest beginning in launch vehicles like SLV-3, and ASLV. The first development flight of the indigenous Polar Satellite Launch Vehicle (PSLV) was carried out in 1992 which could put 1,000 kg class remote sensing satellite into 900 km polar sun-synchronous orbit.

India has acquired eminence in world class space science. It has mastered modern space technology and its various applications for the benefit of society. New space technology is being utilised for telecommunications, television broadcasts, weather watch and for providing information relating to agriculture, forests, water resources and minerals to mention a few.

In the past three decades ISRO has built an infrastructure sector of space programme – construction and operation of satellites and their launch vehicles, ground station and sensors. ISRO has also collaborated with other Indian institutions and over 250 private industries. Both private and public sectors manufacture a vanity of equipment and materials – light alloy structure for inter-stages, motor cases, liquid thrusters, propellant tanks, gas generation and electronic packages. The second launch facility at Sriharikota at a cost of Rs.280 crore is under construction.

Launch Business

In May last year ISRO embarked on the launch business through PSLV-C2 launch, thereby creating a strong impact on the global space market by successfully launching two foreign satellites along with its own ocean monitoring remote sensing satellite. They were launched by the PSLV. ISRO’s marketing agency Autrix Corporation has entered the world market with great success. It aims to secure about 20 per cent of the global share of remote sensing products. It is gratifying to note that PSLV with certain modifications can put payloads up to 4,000 kg into low earth orbits (LEO’s) and up to 800 kg into geo-synchronous transfer orbits (GTO’s).

So far India has been dependent on Ariane Space, the French space agency, for launching its satellites. But gradually ISRO is trying to make use of its own launching vehicles. Sriharikota’s proximity to the equator gives it a better payload advantage for any polar launch. The flight of INSAT-3B, INSAT-3A and the GSLV will take ISRO into higher orbit. Once the GSLV is declared operational, India’s future INSAT satellites will be launched by this rocket.

Reduced Costs

The Chairman of ISRO, Dr K Kasturirangan has projected a significant lowering of space launch costs in the country in the next few decades. While the cost for positioning one kg of material in space today was $20,000 it was presaged that the same would come down to $5000 by 2007 and as low as $500 per kg between 2030-2050. Fully reusable vehicles have also been foreseen. He reveals hat the performance efficiency of Indian spacecraft is on the increase.

According to Aerospace America, Indian remote sensing commercial satellites are among the best in the world. IRS-1C and IRS-ID provide the best high resolution data to the user community anywhere in the world and the data from these satellites are being received and used by several countries including the US, Japan, Germany, Korea, Thailand and Dubai.

India has now established credibility as a space technology vendor. The world’s largest satellite manufacturer in the US has ordered satellite hardware worth US $700,000 from India. India’s space technology export earnings have tripled from around Rs.10 crore to Rs.30 crore over the past three years.

INSAT-3B

Recently, ISRO launched the first of the third generation communication satellite INSAT-3B. This 2,070 kg satellite is primarily intended for business, development and mobile communications. It would almost double the transponder capacity. It would provide the first set of transponders for interactive training and developmental communications as part of the Vidya Vahini programme announced by the Prime Minister.

Indian space scientists are now engaged in the development of cryogenic engine, required for GSLV in future. Last February the test of first home-made cryogenic rocket engine was carried out but a hydrogen leak probably led to premature termination of the test. But scientists say the problem will soon be solved. The test was carried out at the Liquid Propulsion Systems Centre at Mahendragiri in Tamil Nadu.

Experts agree that India crossed an important milestone in the development of indigenous cryogenic upper stage for GSLV. The engine had employed liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen. This short duration test proved that many operations were successful which were done for the first time. Valuable data have been collected which are being analysed for further tests.

Towards Moon

Coming on the heels of all these developments is ISRO’s plan to go to the moon. ISRO has already begun preliminary studies to assess the feasibility of undertaking such a mission. ISRO’s satellite centre director, Dr P S Goel, says the study will cover scientific benefits which could be derived from the lunar mission. ISRO’s PSLV is a proven rocket and is capable of flying up to the lunar orbit. If India’s mission to the moon succeeds, then it would have joined the US and the former Soviet Union in making its presence felt in the lunar environment.

ISRO is also planning to launch a series of remote sensing satellites with a variety of applications including one solely dedicated to the field of astronomy.

Indian space scientists foresee several developments in the new millennium when they can scale new heights. Revolutionary developments in the fields of communication, information and micro- electronics are driving greater convergence and forging new directions for aerospace programmes. "Space would be a strong tool for development in future" sys Dr Kasturirangan. He is of the view that from development of civil applications such as personal mobile communications at a global level and management of natural disasters to futuristic vistas such as space power generation and space tourism the new possibilities are unlimited.

India’s experience has clearly shown that the investment in space always pays through remote sensing and telecommunications. By being fully self-reliant in space activities, it is certain that the resulting contribution from the space programme to the Indian GDP will be markedly significant.

http://pib.nic.in/feature/feyr2000/fapr2000/f240420001.html


So, Try harder next time.

And as for capability issue of satellites of ISRO.

Then people can themselves capable to decide over Weight V/S Transponders issue.

Paksat-1R
Transponders
Band
12 C-band
18 Ku-band

Launch mass 5,115 kilograms (11,277 lb)


GSAT-16

Launch mass 3,100 kilograms (6,800 lb)
Transponders
Band
12 Ku-band
24 C-band
12 Extended C band

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paksat-1R
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSAT-16



I also want to comment on this image. Why posting a image from 90s? The modern ISRO's communication sat based on I-3K look something like this.

Dont post BS.
gsat-16.jpg
These Indian satellites you post are still pale shadow compare to China HTS satellite sold to Indonesia for high speed broadband service. Indian is still no where to compete internationally against Western Europe or American for a pie of share for high speed broadband service. Not even Russian.

The fact China beat both of them for this contract says something.

Indian the most just compete for carrier service. Not even close to making a competitive communication satellite.
 
These Indian satellites you post are still pale shadow compare to China HTS satellite sold to Indonesia for high speed broadband service. Indian is still no where to compete internationally against Western Europe or American for a pie of share for high speed broadband service. Not even Russian.

The fact China beat both of them for this contract says something.

Indian the most just compete for carrier service. Not even close to making a competitive communication satellite.
Chinese companies are deeply involved in India's communication sector. We will make their lives better.
 

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