China-EU Geopolitics: News & Discussions

[4GTejasBVR]

Do you think China will fear European petrol in south China see. They even harassing US petrol ships plane.

I don't think China has to fear anyone when Chinese armed forces are the best of the best of the best of the best in the world sir. Whole world should sit back and watch what ever China will do

Then let's have the Chinese PLA Navy patrol the waters around Europe. France should welcome this.

Yes time for France string of pearls and time as arrived for Chinese nuclear submarine to dock in europe

Why should we care who controls the islands?

Because u know what will ll happen in near future

 

[ahojunk]

“Several times per year, French navy ships cross the waters of this region, and they’ll continue to do it.”

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As for "Freedom of navigation", I don't think China has any issues at all. I am not aware of any civilian ship stopped in the SCS by China or Taiwan or Vietnam or Philippines). (Illegal fishing is another story).

Follow the accepted rules - sail at least 12 nm from any island or reefs. Do it with civilian ships and not military ships.
The South China Sea is wide enough to accommodate any ship.

In the case of an emergency, a military ship wanted to sail close to the islands, just call China first and let them know and if it's genuine, I am sure China will accommodate. China has a large HADR (humanitarian assistance and disaster relief) center in the SCS.

By the way, the US definition of "freedom of navigation" allows them to sail a military ship right up your coast. However, if you do what US do, you could be in trouble. One set of rules for them and another for the rest.

 

[mike2000 is back]

French fries are welcome to stick their big nose into other people's business-- just this time around French fries might not leave without getting their big nose chopped off.

To France: stay in Europe, stay in your own lane and you will avoid a potential accident.

You dont understand geo politics well it seems.
France,U.K as europe's leading military powers have no beef with China and have never really be hostile to China(notwithstanding the opium war and 8 nation alliance period).

European and Chinese interests dont really clash in many fields. So I belive france pushing for these patrols is not aimed at China as some of you will believe. Its simply to prevent any conflicts from arising and reassuring small Asian countries from overeacting towards China and preventing any conflict which will be detrimental to our and your own interests. aBare in mind that alot of goods transit through scs shipping lanes something which affect every major power. So a conflict there will affect every country in the world even those who dont know it will. So it is normal that other powers want to prevent such a thing from happening.

Each country does what it thinks is in theiir interests, same like China soon opening its first ever foreign military base in Djibouti, does that means its aimed at any particular country?? Im sure its just to safeguard freedom of movement, navigation and stability in the region as well isnt it?

 

[bsruzm]

I think that's more about US than China.

 

[Hellfire]

France and the Eu has no say this this matter. This is like China conducting patrols through the English channel.

Umm, can't China do that, theoretically?

 

[Hellfire]

I am sure this is a BS article spinned by the US. European are not as dumb as US. If possible, China can send warship and destroyer to patrol the Atlantic. Do the European want that to happen?


Be more worry of yourself. German legalise Armenian genocide, soon all western europe will follow. Turkey is the real isolated.

Why bother about the article?

Lets clarify, if you continue to reclaim reefs and make islands around them thereby increasing your territorial waters progressively, yes there is a full chance of a confrontation as you simply can not do that .. you just can't deny access to shipping by absurd claims. If you want to exploit it as an EEZ, sure all stakeholders that is the countries of the region and China can do that reaching an agreement within themselves and you don't need anyone from outside for that, something which even china says.

But insofar as of today, Chinese have no option but to permit all merchant and naval vessels through as there is not much they can do or even want to do other than simply protest. It simply does not suit Chinese interests to seek a war over it.
You do, however, tend to make noise if naval vessels go through ... and through waters well outside your maritime boundary .. maybe you can calm yourself on that account and everyone will just be happy - the sea is not your territorial water hence freedom of navigation for all navies is a reality there.

 

[mike2000 is back]

BS, this is SCS not india ocean, you don't know what you are talking about !!!


facts are we are doing what ever we want to do in there, all you can do is watching, talking , bla bla bla ......





Then you are waste your money in there, Even US CBGs can't do a thing in there !!!

Australia, SK both stay away from that, Even Japan didn't go that far!

you haven't done anything yet but speak loudly without a big stick, that's french style !!!

An nature born failure style!!!

An nature born failure style? What does that even mean? Im lost. Maybe some asian countries Will say the same about you people judging from history.

Anyway, as I said, I dont read too much in this news, its no big deal.
You mean indian ocean/african coast is different in which ways? As in there is no country that claims it as theirs?

International patrols in international waters are not forbidden in Indian ocean or SCS . big powers regularly do that(including China) so why complain?. So dont see why you people are so woke up by this news. Its not like any country is targeting you, since we have no reason or interests in doing that. Every power often patrols in international waters where its interests lies, Russia does that in the black sea, arctic and Mediterranean close to european shores, Britain,France and US do that in these regions as well plus often in indian ocean, Atlantic ocean. And even Arctic Etc....its normal practice.

As I said we dont have any conflict of interests. So chill. No big deal mate.

 

[Viet]

this news makes my day. European patrol vessels, warships, submarine and aircraft carriers are WELCOME to take rest, food, water and fuel at Cam Ranh bay. by the way, the beach at the bay is not bad.

 

[Vergennes]

French fries are welcome to stick their big nose into other people's business-- just this time around French fries might not leave without getting their big nose chopped off.

To France: stay in Europe, stay in your own lane and you will avoid a potential accident.

They want target radar lock with antiship missiles from J-11B, let them have a taste!

@Cossack25A1 @Viet

I am surprised yet we didn't receive any 'nukes' threats.
Thankfully,the keyboard warriors of PDF aren't head of states otherwise we would be at the 100th world war by now.

you haven't done anything yet but speak loudly without a big stick, that's french style !!!

An nature born failure style!!!

Just so you know,recently there was a french ship making patrols in the south china sea and making several stops in the bordering countries to ensure our freedom of navigation in the area and to maintain good ties with the countries in the area,including China. We even conducted naval exercises together. You guys have to stop being paranoid and see war and confrontations everywhere.

 

[ahojunk]

Problem of navigation freedom in South China Sea "pseudo-proposition": China
Source: Xinhua | 2016-06-05 22:46:57 | Editor: Tian Shaohui


BEIJING, June 5 (Xinhua) -- A Chinese foreign ministry spokeswoman on Sunday said the freedom of navigation and overflight in the South China Sea has never been a problem.

China respects and supports such freedom enjoyed by all countries in accordance with international law, and has made great efforts in safeguarding the freedom with other countries in the region, Hua Chunying said in a press release.

She made the remarks in response to reports of some worries over the "freedom of navigation and overflight" in the South China Sea, expressed during the 15th Shangri-La Dialogue in Singapore.

Hua called the so-called problem of the navigation and overflight freedom a "pseudo-proposition" because there has never been a problem.

She said that the real intention of certain countries to hype up the topic is to sow dissension among countries in the region and create an excuse for political and military engagement in the South China Sea issue.

Safeguarding the freedom of navigation and overflight in the South China Sea is not only the requirement of international law, but also in line with China's fundamental interests, she said, adding that China will unswervingly ensure it.

"We hope those certain countries will stop disturbing regional safety and stability in the name of safeguarding the right of the navigation freedom," Hua said.

 

[xunzi]

All ships are welcome in SCS. All we ask is to respect our territorial water rights. When you disrespect our sovereign rights, then that's a problem that could lead to war. That is our only concern. Beside I really hope we join Russia to seriously patrolling the whole ocean consistently. We need to stop being afraid of hurting other country interest.

 

[Cossack25A1]

@Cossack25A1 @Viet

I am surprised yet we didn't receive any 'nukes' threats.
Thankfully,the keyboard warriors of PDF aren't head of states otherwise we would be at the 100th world war by now.

That particular member us known to make ridiculous comments, from nuking other countries to offensive things like making genocide statements...and the other Chinese members here likes such comments from him.

Anyways, the fact that China knows that sea area is rich is resources and is a major shipping lane. By taking control of that sea area (and hijacking other countries' EEZ) means that they have control over a vast major shipping lane and can exploit resources regardless of whether they are allowed to do so in others' EEZ.

 

[xunzi]

That particular member us known to make ridiculous comments, from nuking other countries to offensive things like making genocide statements...and the other Chinese members here likes such comments from him.

Anyways, the fact that China knows that sea area is rich is resources and is a major shipping lane. By taking control of that sea area (and hijacking other countries' EEZ) means that they have control over a vast major shipping lane and can exploit resources regardless of whether they are allowed to do so in others' EEZ.

Your EEZ cannot swallow up our offshore territories just as coastal EEZ cannot swallow up the US offshore territories in South America water.

 

[Cossack25A1]

Your EEZ cannot swallow up our offshore territories just as coastal EEZ cannot swallow up the US offshore territories in South America water.

Since when did China became an island nation?

 

[xunzi]

Since when did China became an island nation?

We don't need to be an island nation to own offshore territories.