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all these claims are based on answers of one side and many of them are untrue. this case is that simple what people think. here is some parts of an article reported by Nytime.
The Rohingya Suffer Real Horrors. So Why Are Some of Their Stories Untrue?
LEDA, Bangladesh — The four young sisters sat in a huddle, together but alone.
Their accounts were dramatic: Their mother had died when their home was burned by soldiers in Rakhine State in western Myanmar. Their father was one of thousands of Rohingya Muslims who had disappeared into official custody and were feared dead.
Somehow, the sisters — ages 12, 8, 5 and 2 — made their way to refuge in Bangladesh. An uncle, who had been living for years in the Rohingya refugee camps in Bangladesh, had taken them in, adding the girls to his own collection of hungry children.
“My parents were killed in Myanmar,” said the eldest girl, Januka Begum. “I miss them very much.”
I was reporting on children who had arrived in the camps without their families. An international charity, which had given financial support to the uncle, brought me to meet the girls.
Within an hour, I had a notebook filled with the kind of quotes that pull at heartstrings. Little of it was true.
After three days of reporting, the truth began to emerge. Soyud Hossain, the supposed uncle who had taken the girls in, was actually their father. He had three wives, two in Bangladesh and one in Myanmar, he admitted. The children were from his youngest wife, the one in Myanmar.
In any refugee camp, tragedy is commodified. Aid groups want to help the neediest cases, and people quickly realize that the story of four orphaned sisters holds more value than that of an intact family that merely lost all its possessions.
To compete for relief supplies distributed by aid groups, refugees learn to deploy women with infants in their arms. Crying babies get pushed to the front of the line.
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For four days, I interviewed a 9-year-old boy named Noorshad, and his story had it all. In my notebook, he drew pictures of his house — and the tree from which his parents were hanged by Myanmar soldiers.
Then he drew the jerrycan he clung to as he crossed the river into Bangladesh. He tied his flip-flops to his waist, he said, with a bit of vine. The sandals were from his dead mother. He glanced at them and sobbed.
But there were inconsistencies. Noorshad said he liked cricket, a sport popular in Bangladesh but not in Myanmar. His grandparents were killed by the military, he told me, but then he admitted they had died of natural causes.
I found locals from the village I believed he was from. It turned out that no one had been killed there, much less hanged from a tree.
So where did Noorshad come from? He had been found crying in the market in the Kutupalong refugee camp. Other refugees took him to a school where a pair of women offered hugs and bowls of curry. Obviously, something bad had happened to him, but to this day, no one has figured out his real story.
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At times, there is a benign explanation for children telling untruths. Young minds can process lived memories and secondhand ones in remarkably similar ways.
“Even if some children have only heard of atrocities, fear has been instilled in them and it’s very hard for them to separate what they’ve seen from what they’ve heard,” said Benjamin Steinlechner, a spokesman for the United Nations Children’s Fund in Cox’s Bazar, Bangladesh. “It’s like watching a horror movie. Children experience it very differently from adults.”
I have a better sense of the life of Mr. Hossain, the four girls’ father.
His troubles, he said, began when he was briefly back in Myanmar and saw a 12-year-old girl with fair skin and delicate features.
“She was so beautiful,” Mr. Hossain said. “I needed to marry her.”
Child marriage is distressingly common among the Rohingya, and soon, Mr. Hossain began shuttling among his three wives. Not every wife knew about the other, but Mr. Hossain didn’t think three wives were too many. His own father, he said, had six wives and 42 children.
Yet Mr. Hossain admitted that he was not adept at balancing family relations. When his four daughters sought shelter in Bangladesh after their village had been burned, Sajida, the wife with whom he has been living in the Leda refugee camp, was furious.
“My husband is a bad man,” she announced, after she finally admitted the girls’ true provenance. “I am tired of all his lies.”
Later, when I reached Mr. Hossain by phone, he was seething.
“I beat her when you left,” he said. “I will beat her again tomorrow.”
Mr. Hossain’s sister-in-law had also explained part of the family’s complicated truth. A neighbor later relayed that her candor had earned her a beating from her husband.
Rather than highlight the plight of unaccompanied minors, my reporting had catalyzed domestic violence in two households. I regretted the days of questioning Ms. Sajida, who goes by one name.
I had found her unsympathetic when she said she wished those girls would disappear back to Myanmar. But that night her husband would beat her. As I stood and judged her for not embracing these four girls from her husband’s youngest wife, a cockroach skittered across the floor. A rat followed.
Ms. Sajida began crying.
All around, through the bamboo slats that make up the walls of a Rohingya shelter, children’s eyes followed my movements, wondering what I was doing there and why I had made a grown woman weep.
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It is well known that many asylum seekers fabricate and embellish their claims in the hope of having their claims accepted.
So we are starting an international committee which includes many foreign experts and officials from middle like Japan to handle such a claim whether they are true or not. In this regards , China is understanding this and support our move. So BD also should cooperate with us if u guys genuinely want to solve this. it will also help to accelerate the repatriation of these people. if not , all u can do is just opening multiple threads to curse Myanmar and China here.
We allowed many media many times to go that area if u dont blind , we will see it. UN is under controlled by western powers. why we should allow them to prove their claim. ? They accused , then the organizations controlled by them will prove their claims as they want. many cases happened..
all these claims are based on answers of one side and many of them are untrue. this case is that simple what people think. here is some parts of an article reported by Nytime.
The Rohingya Suffer Real Horrors. So Why Are Some of Their Stories Untrue?
LEDA, Bangladesh — The four young sisters sat in a huddle, together but alone.
Their accounts were dramatic: Their mother had died when their home was burned by soldiers in Rakhine State in western Myanmar. Their father was one of thousands of Rohingya Muslims who had disappeared into official custody and were feared dead.
Somehow, the sisters — ages 12, 8, 5 and 2 — made their way to refuge in Bangladesh. An uncle, who had been living for years in the Rohingya refugee camps in Bangladesh, had taken them in, adding the girls to his own collection of hungry children.
“My parents were killed in Myanmar,” said the eldest girl, Januka Begum. “I miss them very much.”
I was reporting on children who had arrived in the camps without their families. An international charity, which had given financial support to the uncle, brought me to meet the girls.
Within an hour, I had a notebook filled with the kind of quotes that pull at heartstrings. Little of it was true.
After three days of reporting, the truth began to emerge. Soyud Hossain, the supposed uncle who had taken the girls in, was actually their father. He had three wives, two in Bangladesh and one in Myanmar, he admitted. The children were from his youngest wife, the one in Myanmar.
In any refugee camp, tragedy is commodified. Aid groups want to help the neediest cases, and people quickly realize that the story of four orphaned sisters holds more value than that of an intact family that merely lost all its possessions.
To compete for relief supplies distributed by aid groups, refugees learn to deploy women with infants in their arms. Crying babies get pushed to the front of the line.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
For four days, I interviewed a 9-year-old boy named Noorshad, and his story had it all. In my notebook, he drew pictures of his house — and the tree from which his parents were hanged by Myanmar soldiers.
Then he drew the jerrycan he clung to as he crossed the river into Bangladesh. He tied his flip-flops to his waist, he said, with a bit of vine. The sandals were from his dead mother. He glanced at them and sobbed.
But there were inconsistencies. Noorshad said he liked cricket, a sport popular in Bangladesh but not in Myanmar. His grandparents were killed by the military, he told me, but then he admitted they had died of natural causes.
I found locals from the village I believed he was from. It turned out that no one had been killed there, much less hanged from a tree.
So where did Noorshad come from? He had been found crying in the market in the Kutupalong refugee camp. Other refugees took him to a school where a pair of women offered hugs and bowls of curry. Obviously, something bad had happened to him, but to this day, no one has figured out his real story.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
At times, there is a benign explanation for children telling untruths. Young minds can process lived memories and secondhand ones in remarkably similar ways.
“Even if some children have only heard of atrocities, fear has been instilled in them and it’s very hard for them to separate what they’ve seen from what they’ve heard,” said Benjamin Steinlechner, a spokesman for the United Nations Children’s Fund in Cox’s Bazar, Bangladesh. “It’s like watching a horror movie. Children experience it very differently from adults.”
I have a better sense of the life of Mr. Hossain, the four girls’ father.
His troubles, he said, began when he was briefly back in Myanmar and saw a 12-year-old girl with fair skin and delicate features.
“She was so beautiful,” Mr. Hossain said. “I needed to marry her.”
Child marriage is distressingly common among the Rohingya, and soon, Mr. Hossain began shuttling among his three wives. Not every wife knew about the other, but Mr. Hossain didn’t think three wives were too many. His own father, he said, had six wives and 42 children.
Yet Mr. Hossain admitted that he was not adept at balancing family relations. When his four daughters sought shelter in Bangladesh after their village had been burned, Sajida, the wife with whom he has been living in the Leda refugee camp, was furious.
“My husband is a bad man,” she announced, after she finally admitted the girls’ true provenance. “I am tired of all his lies.”
Later, when I reached Mr. Hossain by phone, he was seething.
“I beat her when you left,” he said. “I will beat her again tomorrow.”
Mr. Hossain’s sister-in-law had also explained part of the family’s complicated truth. A neighbor later relayed that her candor had earned her a beating from her husband.
Rather than highlight the plight of unaccompanied minors, my reporting had catalyzed domestic violence in two households. I regretted the days of questioning Ms. Sajida, who goes by one name.
I had found her unsympathetic when she said she wished those girls would disappear back to Myanmar. But that night her husband would beat her. As I stood and judged her for not embracing these four girls from her husband’s youngest wife, a cockroach skittered across the floor. A rat followed.
Ms. Sajida began crying.
All around, through the bamboo slats that make up the walls of a Rohingya shelter, children’s eyes followed my movements, wondering what I was doing there and why I had made a grown woman weep.
=====================================================================
It is well known that many asylum seekers fabricate and embellish their claims in the hope of having their claims accepted.
So we are starting an international committee which includes many foreign experts and officials from middle like Japan to handle such a claim whether they are true or not. In this regards , China is understanding this and support our move. So BD also should cooperate with us if u guys genuinely want to solve this. it will also help to accelerate the repatriation of these people. if not , all u can do is just opening multiple threads to curse Myanmar and China here.
We allowed many media many times to go that area if u dont blind , we will see it. UN is under controlled by western powers. why we should allow them to prove their claim. ? They accused , then the organizations controlled by them will prove their claims as they want. many cases happened..
Like this one which was spotted by BBC journalist when he visited Myanmar in a controlled stage drama by Myanmar janta?
I was referring to letting media in to do their investigation properly along with UN, not just selective site visit only under watch of Janta for their propaganda PR purpose!!!
https://observers.france24.com/en/2...s-create-posed-photos-frame-rohingya-violence
The photos that the government distributed, showing actors pretending to be Rohingya and burning a house.
ROHINGYA / ISLAM - 09/11/2017
Burmese govt fake images to frame Rohingya for violence
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Photos showing a group of men and women setting light to a house in Burma have been circulating online since September 6. According to the authorities, they show how the Rohingya, a persecuted Muslim minority in the country, are deliberately setting fire to their own houses to receive international sympathy. However, the Burmese government posed the photos itself as part of an anti-Muslim propaganda campaign.
Activists for the Rohingya and Jonathan Head, a correspondent for the BBC, revealed that the photos are not quite what they seem. Head was part of a group of local and foreign journalists that were invited on a government-organised trip to Maungdaw, a town in Buddhist-majority Rakhine state in the west of the country. Government officials distributed these photos to the journalists, saying that they showed the Rohingya burning their own homes in order to frame the Burmese government. But the photos were posed, as was soon discovered by Head and other journalists.
One of the photos showing the actors pretending to be Rohingya torching a house.
These photos were also posted on the Facebook group Rohingya Community, which posts news about the situation for Rohingya in the country. They wrote a post explaining why the photos were fake [we have edited it for clarity].
Note the white caps the men actors are wearing. Those caps are totally new. Rohingya people aren’t wearing caps in these moments of life or death. And even if they wore Islamic caps, they wouldn’t be as clean and shiny as in those photos.
The women in the photos tried to resemble real Rohingya women by wearing hijab. But Rohingya women never wear hijab that way at all. It is very clear that they do not even know how to wear a piece of cloth on their heads.
The men in the photos are hiding their faces under masks [bandanas].
None of them are facing the camera to hide their real faces.
Most of all: why on earth would someone be so foolish as to document his crime by letting a cameraman take shots from all angles?
The truth: This was the house of a real Rohingya family. Most probably some of the family members were killed and others managed to flee. Later these actors (Buddhists) came to change the scenario of the reality.
Photo showing a woman posing as a Rohingya and torching a house.
“The women are wearing tablecloths on their heads”
In a Facebook post and an article, Head confirms this analysis, and picks up on other details that serve to further indict the Burmese government.
One of the women who appears in the photos torching a home is wearing a distinctive bright orange top, a grey and purple longyi, and a white lacy headscarf. Photos show that this same woman, minus the headscarf, spoke to the journalists at a school in Maungdaw that was serving as a shelter for displaced Hindu families. She told the journalists about Muslim abuse against Hindus.
This photo collage shows that one of the women posing as Rohingya to burn down the house was the same Hindu woman who later on spoke vehemently against Muslims in a tirade to journalists.
Amongst other actors, she was used by the government to pose as a Muslim militant torching houses, and also to speak persuasively to a troupe of journalists about Muslim-perpetrated violence.
Two of the photos sent to us by an Observer.
In a Facebook post that has been shared 2,400 times, Head wrote: “I realise now that among Hindus arranged by the government to be filmed and interviewed on Sept 6 in Maungdaw were two people who dressed up as Muslims for the fake photos given to us there." He said that the “acting” in the photos was “unconvincing”, and “the women are wearing tablecloths on their heads”.
The Rohingya have been accused of attacking the Buddhist and Hindu populations in the country, as well as security forces. While these photos were clearly posed and prove that it was not in fact Rohingya who were burning down their own houses on this occasion, this does not mean that it is always the case.
Another photo showing the women "with tablecloths on their heads", setting light to the house.
According to the Burmese government, the violent crackdown in the country is in response to attacks by militants from the rebel group Arakan Rohingya Salvation Army (ARSA). Authorities also deny that the military has targeted Rohingya civilians. More than 300,000 Rohingya Muslims have fled across the border to Bangladesh since August 25.
In an address to the UN Human Rights Council on September 11, the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights Zeid Ra'ad Al Hussein called the military operation by the Burmese government a “textbook example of ethnic cleansing”.