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Well, military usually isn't about intellectual. Rationalism and liberalism aren't so encouraged in the military. It is a tool that is supposed to be loyal and effective. That is why I chose a regular college, instead of a military one. I grew up on a Chinese military base. Back then, if I wanted to go to a military college, I could get into any of the top ones. Therefore, "liberation" or not, it is just a name and serves a very important purpose, which is the unresolved issue with Taiwan.
If the word 'liberation' matters, then look at it this way...

United States Army Air Forces (USAAF)

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United States Air Force

For you to say that the military have no intellectual issues is a clear example of ignorance. The word 'Army' in USAAF subordinate the air component to ground forces doctrines.

A 'regular' college over a military one ? Now am seeing someone who is young and arrogant and thinks low of those in the military or who have served.

I would have no problem with the US calling the US armed forces the "Continental Army" or "Union Army" to respect George Washington or Abraham Lincoln.
You may not. But we do. That is why we changed and got better.
 
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If the word 'liberation' matters, then look at it this way...

United States Army Air Forces (USAAF)

vs

United States Air Force

For you to say that the military have no intellectual issues is a clear example of ignorance. The word 'Army' in USAAF subordinate the air component to ground forces doctrines.

A 'regular' college over a military one ? Now am seeing someone who is young and arrogant and thinks low of those in the military or who have served.


You may not. But we do. That is why we changed and got better.

Nay, I wasn't thinking low of military. Both of my parents were army officers. I like read all kinds of books and prefer a freer intellectual environment. Back in military base, I knew a lot of things you were not allowed do or even read. Violating that, you would get yourself in big trouble.

As of PLA, it would be a lot easier just to think of it as a single word, instead of pulling it apart. It shows that all current military branches all came from the same root. They are all spinned out from the original PLA. Besides, Chinese army don't consume this English version of their army name.
 
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Get rid of this "People's Liberation" nonsense. It may have sounded catchy back then, but it is essentially silly today. That is like the US continues to call its Army 'Continental Army' when George Washington was commander.

Mainland China IS China. So call the ground forces 'Chinese Army'. Same for the Air Force and Navy. Allow each service to explore its role and mission according to its area of expertise. The PLA is not doing that now as ground forces commanders still dominate intellectual thoughts on military matters. Yes, winning the ground is still the key in wars, but allow each service to independently experiment with its capabilities on how to support the main goal -- win the ground.
LOL.

The PLA is an abbreviation of People Liberation Army that cannot be copy by other. When people think of PLA, they know exactly what they are talking to. It's a powerful tool to remind people of the tradition and history of how it is formed.
 
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If the word 'liberation' matters, then look at it this way...

United States Army Air Forces (USAAF)

vs

United States Air Force

For you to say that the military have no intellectual issues is a clear example of ignorance. The word 'Army' in USAAF subordinate the air component to ground forces doctrines.

A 'regular' college over a military one ? Now am seeing someone who is young and arrogant and thinks low of those in the military or who have served.


You may not. But we do. That is why we changed and got better.

Where is the proof that you have served in the military?
 
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Get rid of this "People's Liberation" nonsense. It may have sounded catchy back then, but it is essentially silly today. That is like the US continues to call its Army 'Continental Army' when George Washington was commander.

Mainland China IS China. So call the ground forces 'Chinese Army'. Same for the Air Force and Navy. Allow each service to explore its role and mission according to its area of expertise. The PLA is not doing that now as ground forces commanders still dominate intellectual thoughts on military matters. Yes, winning the ground is still the key in wars, but allow each service to independently experiment with its capabilities on how to support the main goal -- win the ground.

they do use "china navy" or "china air force"

case in point

on their backs, it literally says china(中国) navy (海军)

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china(中国) air force(空军)
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china navy
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in addition you are mislead by the language barrier. to you, PLA means people's liberation army, "army" denotes that it's a land force with other forces tacked on and secondary to the army by its very name, however in chinese, 人民 (people's) 解放 (liberation) 军 (army), the word 军, does not necessarily mean land force army, it merely means a military force, without special attachment to either the ground forces, air or naval.

so PLA in chinese is more like "people's liberation military force".

the actual army is mentioned same as the other forces,

for example the navy is PLAN, which is people's liberation army(人民解放军)-navy(海军).
the army is PLAGF which is people's liberation army(人民解放军)-ground forces (陆军)

furthermore, if you somehow think the name itself would impact the effectiveness of the force, you're delusional. like if the current us army was called the "continental army" it would only performed half as well? otherwise we might as well name all our forces, "the invisible god-like super army composed of superman" cause with that name they will be invincible right?
 
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I am far smarter than you. That is proof enough. :lol:

There are plenty of people on Internet forums that have technical knowledge because they are engineers or military enthusiasts. Does not mean they have served in the military.

Fact is you cannot provide any proof whatsoever to show that you served in the military.

You have never served in the military, you wish you did.
 
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It's only very recently that we have found the strategic breathing room to even consider power projection, and expeditionary capabilities. But it's important to plan for the future, now we are strong enough that no one will dare to invade us directly, so time to think about other things.

Some day in the future we will have the largest defense budget in the world, so we have to plan ahead for how to properly utilize it.

Very good points. In fact, this article which just came today gives a broader explanation to what you have just covered in a few sentences.

It is the beginning of a new era for China's military, a transition in almost systemic proportions from continental to maritime power status, which enables power projection, as you said.

I think President Xi is now laying out the structure for future upgrade/reform in military conceptualizations.

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New conditions require stronger Chinese military
Source:Globaltimes.cn Published: 2016-1-2 1:51:32


On the very first day of 2016, China’s Central Military Commission (CMC) released a guideline on deepening national defense and military reform. A day before that, the CMC announced the establishment of the General Command of Army, the People's Liberation Army (PLA) Rocket Force and the PLA Strategic Support Force. The PLA is now standing at a new historical crossroads.

As Chinese people enjoy their New Year holiday, few of them think of gunshots or war. Ordinary people can now rest easy thanks to China’s strong defense, which is as precious as air. This requires the continuous development of national defense.

China’s national interests and current international situation are constantly changing, so is the task of the Chinese army. Hence, the PLA and relevant mechanisms have to be adjusted accordingly to keep up with the pace of China’s rise.

The task that confronts China’s armed forces is arduous and more than just safeguarding the nation’s maritime and land territories. As China’s international cooperation grows, more Chinese enterprises go global and the country embraces greater responsibility to maintain regional and world peace, a strong Chinese army is needed.

China must have a strong military. In possession of nuclear weapons, China doesn’t need to worry about military aggression. But there is more about national security. The Chinese army's special mission to safeguard China’s national path has long been under pressure due to differences from Western practices. During China's rise, friction with the US has gone beyond broad geopolitics. If China has a big gap with the US in terms of military prowess, this will affect its international position and other countries' attitude toward China.

With a strong army, China can be more politically appealing, influential and persuasive, and will make it easier to network. As we gain more trust from other countries, many of them will no longer be dependent on the US for security and on China for economic benefits.

A comprehensive and thorough military reform therefore comes into place at the right time. It is highly anticipated and encouraging. It will entail specific measures, but there are certain standards. First, our military equipment will be improved. Besides, the army will be more capable of using the equipment and soldiers’ morale will be boosted. Moreover, our military strength has to be demonstrated to the world. The army needs to be able to fight battles and provide real deterrence. The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.

As the latest military reform sets a lofty target and involves a wide range of aspects, it will meet many challenges and difficulties in the process. But the target will be reached with the consensus, direction and determination that have been made. When the reform succeeds, it will benefit not only China but the whole world.
 
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Get rid of this "People's Liberation" nonsense. It may have sounded catchy back then, but it is essentially silly today. That is like the US continues to call its Army 'Continental Army' when George Washington was commander.
I smell fear in this post. Does the word “Liberation" sound too aggressive to you? :lol:

You are just too afraid that one day the mighty PLA will march into the USA and liberate yall sorry wage slave folks from corporatism rule and obamacare.:D
 
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they do use "china navy" or "china air force"

case in point

on their backs, it literally says china(中国) navy (海军)

Labels on objects are one thing, organizational name is another.


in addition you are mislead by the language barrier. to you, PLA means people's liberation army, "army" denotes that it's a land force with other forces tacked on and secondary to the army by its very name, however in chinese, 人民 (people's) 解放 (liberation) 军 (army), the word 军, does not necessarily mean land force army, it merely means a military force, without special attachment to either the ground forces, air or naval.

so PLA in chinese is more like "people's liberation military force".

the actual army is mentioned same as the other forces,

for example the navy is PLAN, which is people's liberation army(人民解放军)-navy(海军).
the army is PLAGF which is people's liberation army(人民解放军)-ground forces (陆军)
I was not talking about the 'army' but about the label "People's Liberation" part.

furthermore, if you somehow think the name itself would impact the effectiveness of the force, you're delusional. like if the current us army was called the "continental army" it would only performed half as well? otherwise we might as well name all our forces, "the invisible god-like super army composed of superman" cause with that name they will be invincible right?
Countries do change and its military should reflect those changes. So it is YOU who are delusional here. Look at the PLA's changes. Most of its changes are patterned after US. From uniform to how a trooper carry his rifle. Why ? Your mocking only serves to reveals your ignorance. If names do not matter, then explain why did the US go from 'USAAF' to 'USAF' ? Why does the removal of 'Army' made such a psychological difference to those who branched off into the new service ?

Again, try to follow. This is not about the 'Air Force' or 'Navy' aspects of the PLA, it is about changing the words "People's Liberation" into something more befitting of a country that is continental in scope and more in tune with modern times.
 
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Labels on objects are one thing, organizational name is another.

those labels are official not something someone casually put on, they are the organization's name, they can have more than one name you know. china army IS the plagf, china navy IS the plan, china air force IS the plaaf


I was not talking about the 'army' but about the label "People's Liberation" part.

you clearly talked about the army part previously, how psychologically, removal of the word "army" is a boost to the other services, and im explaining that particular point is worthless in chinese because PLAAF does not mean "people's liberation army-air force", it means "people's liberation military-air force"


Countries do change and its military should reflect those changes. So it is YOU who are delusional here. Look at the PLA's changes. Most of its changes are patterned after US. From uniform to how a trooper carry his rifle. Why ? Your mocking only serves to reveals your ignorance. If names do not matter, then explain why did the US go from 'USAAF' to 'USAF' ? Why does the removal of 'Army' made such a psychological difference to those who branched off into the new service ?

Again, try to follow. This is not about the 'Air Force' or 'Navy' aspects of the PLA, it is about changing the words "People's Liberation" into something more befitting of a country that is continental in scope and more in tune with modern times.

that's 100% your conjecture, the chinese government thinks its military's is is just fine. and just because the US wants to change its USAAF to USAF does not mean everyone else has to follow the same pattern. just because the US military organization is good, does not mean one should copy its structure 100%, your tidbit on the removal of the word "army" means nothing in chinese as i already explained previously.

and you try to follow, whether "People's Liberation" is befitting of a continental country in these modern times is not for you to decide, who the hell made you the authority on what name is modern and befitting? perhaps they want to wait till the job's fully done (taiwan) perhaps they like the history it connects to, perhaps they're just fine with PLA. your problem is that "liberation" is no longer what it does? maybe china does not plan on attacking anyone anytime soon, and the military is use to liberate the homeland in the event someone attacks the mainland. and you seriously think changing the name from "continental army" to us army is what made the US military better? that's near the bottom of the things that made the us go from a group of rebels to superpower. point is, go nitpick on something else, whether the name PLA is befitting for the modern time is not a problem for anyone else except you and is near the bottom of the list of thing the the PRC has to deal with.
 
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those labels are official not something someone casually put on, they are the organization's name, they can have more than one name you know. china army IS the plagf, china navy IS the plan, china air force IS the plaaf

Tagging a shirt or a piece of hardware as belonging to the 'air force' is not the same as calling an entire organization 'Air Force'. It is not that difficult to see the difference.


you clearly talked about the army part previously, how psychologically, removal of the word "army" is a boost to the other services, and im explaining that particular point is worthless in chinese because PLAAF does not mean "people's liberation army-air force", it means "people's liberation military-air force"
I know it does not. I was talking about changing "People's Liberation" to "Chinese" or whatever equivalent. I was using the word 'Army' as reference to the US Army. You guys really do have a reading comprehension problem. :rolleyes:

that's 100% your conjecture, the chinese government thinks its military's is is just fine. and just because the US wants to change its USAAF to USAF does not mean everyone else has to follow the same pattern. just because the US military organization is good, does not mean one should copy its structure 100%, your tidbit on the removal of the word "army" means nothing in chinese as i already explained previously.

and you try to follow, whether "People's Liberation" is befitting of a continental country in these modern times is not for you to decide, who the hell made you the authority on what name is modern and befitting? perhaps they want to wait till the job's fully done (taiwan) perhaps they like the history it connects to, perhaps they're just fine with PLA. your problem is that "liberation" is no longer what it does? maybe china does not plan on attacking anyone anytime soon, and the military is use to liberate the homeland in the event someone attacks the mainland. and you seriously think changing the name from "continental army" to us army is what made the US military better? that's near the bottom of the things that made the us go from a group of rebels to superpower. point is, go nitpick on something else, whether the name PLA is befitting for the modern time is not a problem for anyone else except you and is near the bottom of the list of thing the the PRC has to deal with.
You have a problem with me 'nitpick' the Chinese military but you have no problems at all nitpicking at US ?

The words "People's Liberation" -- in my 'nitpicking' opinion -- have no reference to China. Or at best only a hint to China being how it was used in a particular era. Whereas, the word 'Chinese' is definitive. Anyone can use "People's Liberation" and they are transitory, but the word 'Chinese' is essentially perpetual. It is non-transferable, not even the Taiwanese can use it. As long as there is a mainland China under a Chinese government, there would be no mistaking 'Chinese Air Force' or 'Chinese Navy' anywhere there is a Chinese airman or Chinese sailor.
 
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I doubt PLA is going to change it's name, until after Taiwan is settled. The political divide create this necessity to differentiate CCP & KMT forces.
Military of Republic of China(Taiwan) is called 国军 which is short for 中国国民革命军 China national revolutionary army.
 
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