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Wouldnt be wrong to say that Communism turned china into a dole of sh1t?
Because many of the early engineers in global aviation, rocket science and even nuclear were Chinese..
Absolutely not wrong. The best thing any country can do for its people is the elevate the quality of life for the people.

Look at the materials for the Eiffel Tower and guess how many houses can France build with all that metal.

The extreme example I used does not mean I said France was stupid to build the Eiffel Tower. The tower is a work of art and France is rightfully proud of it.

What I mean is that France was successful enough as a progressive country that it can afford to spare some metals to build such a work of art.

Throughout the Cold War, the quality of life for people under communism never got anywhere close to the quality of life for people in the West. The simple microwave oven that we take for granted could not have come from the Soviet Union or China.

Communism was terrible and to date probably the greatest immorality man have imposed upon himself.
 
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ARJ21 aircraft manufacturing and final assembly personnel ride on aircraft to experience flight


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This has enough room to serve as an AWACS platform IMO, specially for the fixed array AESA and Balanced Beam Radars..... I think this is a little smaller than a P3C, but can be used in the maritime role for littoral ASW roles.

What's the loiter time for this aircraft? Also anyone has C919 concept images?
 
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Why no one update this news? I myself see the coincidence that mysterious engine tested on Y-20 look alike, similar dimention to this CFM engine which is bigger and shorter than D30-KP on China IL-76.

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CFM Delivers First LEAP-1C to COMAC | CFM International
CFM Delivers First LEAP-1C to COMAC

7.23.2015
  • SHANGHAI, China — 23 July 2015 — In a special ceremony here, CFM International and Commercial Aircraft Corporation of China, Ltd. (COMAC) celebrated delivery of the first CFM LEAP-1C engine to the aircraft manufacturer. This engine will be installed on the first C919 airplane in preparation for airplane roll out and first flight.

    “Delivery of this engine paves the way for the final assembly and rollout of the first C919 aircraft later this year,” said Mr. Wu Guanghui, vice president of COMAC. “We have been very pleased with CFM’s efficient management, strong technology, and professionalism. In addition, the candid collaboration and deep friendship that has developed between the COMAC and CFM teams resulted in a very smooth joint program.”

    “It is a great day for the LEAP engine and CFM,” said Allen Paxson, executive vice president of CFM International. “This engine is the culmination of more than six years of hard work between the CFM and COMAC teams and represents the launch of the next exciting phase of the C919 aircraft development. We are honored to be a part of this great program.”

    The LEAP engine was officially launched in December 2009 when COMAC selected the LEAP-1C as the sole Western powerplant for its 150-passenger C919 airplane. The engine incorporates a unique, industry-first fully integrated propulsion system (IPS). CFM provides the engine as well as the nacelle and thrust reverser developed by Nexcelle*. These elements, including the pylon provided by COMAC, were designed in conjunction with each other, resulting in a total system that provides improved aerodynamics, lower weight, and easier maintenance.

    CFM is executing the most extensive ground and flight test certification program in its history. There are currently a total of more than 30 LEAP engines (all three models) on test or in final assembly and the program has logged a total of more than 4,730 certification ground and flight test hours and 7,900 cycles. The total program, which encompasses all three LEAP engine variants, includes 28 ground and CFM flight test engines, along with a total of 32 flight test engines for aircraft manufacturers.

    The first LEAP-1C engine successfully completed a flight test program in late 2014 on a modified 747 flying testbed at GE facilities in Victorville, California. The flight-test program encompassed a comprehensive test schedule that gauged engine operability, stall margin, performance, emissions, and acoustics. It also validated the advanced technologies incorporated in the engine, including the woven carbon fiber composite fan, the Twin-Annular, Pre-Mixing Swirler (TAPS) combustor, ceramic matrix composite shrouds in the high-pressure turbine and titanium aluminide blades in the low-pressure turbine.

    C919 airplane development has entered a critical phase and final assembly of the first airframe structure is nearly complete. The wind tunnel test, iron-bird test, avionics integration, and power system tests are all progressing well. With the delivery of the first LEAP-1C engine and the hydraulic systems, the installation of the airborne systems will begin soon. The first C919 is scheduled to roll out before the end of 2015.
IL-76 as test bed for mysterious engine
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IL-76 ( caption on picture may true or not )
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Simply since it is no mystery: it is the WS-20 for the Y-20 !
 
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Look like C-919 can't immediately replace Boeing in China in near future.
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Chinese companies have reached an agreement with Boeing to purchase 300 jets and build an aircraft assembly plant in China in deals signed during President Xi Jinping's visit to the United States, the official Xinhua news agency said Wednesday.

The order for 250 narrowbody 737 aircraft and 50 widebody aircraft, valued at about $38 billion, was announced as Xi toured Boeing's Everett, Washington factory.

China Aviation Supplies Holding, ICBC Financial Leasing and China Development Bank Leasing inked the jet purchase agreement after Xi's arrival in Seattle, Xinhua said.

State-owned Commercial Aircraft Corporation of China, which is better known as COMAC, also signed a cooperation agreement with the U.S. plane maker to build a 737 aircraft assembly center in China.
 
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I think no-one expected this !

The C919 will be a giant leap forward in different ways. It will (hopefully) be China's first modern airliner build to technologies similar too Airbus & Boeing and most of all it will be an indigenous design, offering as such for the first time a true alternative (o.k. in competition to Bombardier's new jet and later the MS-21 too) for A & B.

But we should be careful in our hopes and wishes. Until that design is mature, has proven its performance in flight test and later operational service, it will take time ... and even then IF everything goes fine, there will be still several customers who stick to the proven and reliable products from A&B simply since Comac so far has no reputation for an after-sales service and maintenance line in contrast to A&B.

As such ... let us be patient ...

Deino

PS: by the way ... were are images !! Large, high-resolution and full-size images of that bird !??
 
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A clear image of the Taihang(WS-10)engine。

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Now bring out the Emei engine,preferably on the J-20,as early as possible :D
 
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Nice, but how is this realted to the C919 !???
 
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ANALYSIS: ARJ21 not the end, but the means
Sep 11, 2015 - 10:12AM
Source: Flightglobal By: Mavis Toh

It has been a long time in the making, but finally, the Comac ARJ21 – China’s first indigenously designed and built commercial aircraft – is nearing service entry.

The Chinese airframer is targeting 28 November to hand over the first production example of the regional jet to launch customer Chengdu Airlines. It’s a date heavy with significance for the programme, given that it first took to the skies on the same day in 2008.

The fact that its maiden sortie came some seven years ago – work on the ARJ21 actually began in 2002 – says much about the state of the programme and the steep learning curves encountered by the inexperienced Comac.

However, that the ARJ21 is some eight years behind schedule is almost beside the point. Comac is clear that development of the regional jet has always been about gaining experience – in design, development, supplier management, systems integration, and, for both it and the country’s regulator, the Civil Aviation Administration of China (CAAC), certification.

In other words, all the skills required for future programmes, with the key C919 narrowbody next in line.

Comac is already feeling the benefit of that experience. Chief engineer Jiang Liping, speaking during an interview in Shanghai, said final assembly of the C919 is progressing much more smoothly than on the ARJ21.

These days, the airframer is far more aware of the need to control processes carefully and provide precise specifications to suppliers, she acknowledges.

While final assembly of the ARJ21’s airframe took about six months, it took a little over half that time to bring the C919 together. And the complex wing-to-body join on the narrowbody took only 25 days.

“This is because we had better process control and took more measurements once parts are delivered, to make sure the parts are to standard,” she adds.

Jiang also says that the CAAC has been more involved with the C919 at an earlier stage than with the regional jet, which should enable a quicker certification process.

“The ARJ21 was the first experience for us and also for the CAAC. Things are different now.”

On the ARJ21, that process took eight years from first flight and even now appears incomplete: nine months after gaining Chinese approval, Comac appears to have set aside plans for Western certification of the regional jet.

Sources close to the discussions say the Chinese manufacturer is no longer in direct talks with the US Federal Aviation Administration, and the focus is now on putting the aircraft into service initially in China, with parts of Asia and Africa to follow. It will revisit Western certification only after the jet reaches maturity in five to 10 years.

The US agency has been conducting a shadow certification process on the ARJ21 to ensure that the CAAC keeps to FAA standards.

Nonetheless, Chinese validation is sufficient for now as the overwhelming majority of the 315 commitments for the ARJ21 are from indigenous airlines and lessors.

Still, Comac has yet to secure a production certificate for the programme. It is also working on changes to the aircraft in areas it says do not relate to the safety of the jet, but could affect its operational efficiency.

These include improving how the ARJ21’s anti-icing system functions in the event of single-engine operation, as well changes to the aircraft’s warning systems.

When Flight International took a 2h, non-commercial flight aboard aircraft 105 from Chengdu to Nanjing in late August, the cabin interior of the 78-seat aircraft was in excellent condition. Although cabin noise was noticeable during flight, especially toward the aft section of cabin, near its General Electric CF34-10A powerplants, the average passenger is unlikely to notice any difference over their experience in a typical regional jet.

In addition, Comac’s vice-chief designer Zhao Keliang says it is studying ways to reduce the weight of the aircraft since the first few ARJ21s off the line are “a few hundred kilogrammes overweight”.

A business jet variant should follow in 2016, and a stretched model with capacity for 105-110 passengers is also on the cards. Future improvements over the next two to three years would be to target the competitive advantage enjoyed by the next-generation of regional jets such as the Embraer E-Jet E2 family and the Mitsubishi MRJ.

In the near term, Comac’s challenge will be to prove that it is able to provide reliable aftersales support for ARJ21 operators. Passengers too must accept the type.

But within Comac there is a sense of pride and achievement as the ARJ21 nears delivery and the C919 prepares for its roll-out.

Employees are realistic about the ARJ21’s flawed birth, and know the success of the C919 is more important.

After all, the ARJ21 was never really an end in itself, but a means to one.


Source: ANALYSIS: ARJ21 not the end, but the means
 
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ANALYSIS: The Flightglobal Fleet Forecast's narrowbody outlook
  • 06 AUGUST, 2015
  • BY: ROB MORRIS
This year's Flightglobal Fleet Forecast predicts delivery of 41,000 new commercial turboprop and jet aircraft over the next 20 years. At 2015 values, those deliveries would be worth $2.83 trillion.

Single-aisle aircraft are forecast to account for more than 60% of those deliveries and almost 50% of that value – which explains why this sector of the market remains of much interest to the industry today.

New variants of the ubiquitous Airbus A320 and Boeing 737 families are set to enter service in the next couple of years, and with the Bombardier CSeries, Comac C919 and Irkut MC-21 also finally becoming operational realities, the sector seems poised for real change over the next few years.

But what is the real shape of that change?

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Airbus and Boeing enjoy a manufacturing duopoly in the single-aisle sector today that has endured since the latter's acquisition of McDonnell Douglas in 1997. Close to 11,500 A320 and 737 family aircraft have been delivered to airline operators globally since that duopoly was created, resulting in a single-aisle fleet of around 13,000 aircraft in airline passenger service at the end of last year.

Despite the entrance of new manufacturers, little change is forecast, with Airbus and Boeing accounting for more than 85% of the total deliveries predicted through 2034.

With today's fleets dominated by those two manufacturers, this would result in Airbus and Boeing still accounting for close to 90% of the fleet of single-aisle passenger aircraft in service at the end of 2034.

So, does this mean that the upstart manufacturers will suffer commercial failure with their programmes? Success is, of course, relative, and for the CSeries, C919 and MC-21, a combined 3,200 deliveries are predicted.

But while these programmes will each see output volumes averaging around 60 aircraft a year through their production runs, Airbus and Boeing are talking about increasing their production beyond current committed plans to each produce that number of aircraft every month.

However, the forecast suggests that demand would not be sufficient to justify such production rate increases. Under the base-case scenario, assuming global passenger capacity growth of 4.8% per annum over the next 20 years – which itself services average traffic of around 5% as load factors continue to grow globally, albeit at slightly slower rates than seen previously – together with productivity hikes driven by increasing aircraft size, sector length and utilisation, the highest monthly production rate foreseen in the single-aisle sector for any single OEM is 50 aircraft per month.

Airbus is committed to increasing production from the current 42 aircraft per month to 50 per month by the first quarter of 2017, while Boeing is committed to driving its rates from 42 to 47 by that time and further to 52 in 2018. At face value, the final Boeing rate increase appears unjustified by the Flightglobal Fleet Forecast, but it would only need a minor change in some forecast assumption – market growth, retirement rates or productivity adjustments – to absorb the slightly higher production rate.

However, further increases, potentially to 60 aircraft per month for each of the two current duopolists, would require more fundamental changes in these assumptions to find justification. Retirements of the existing fleet would have to be higher, aircraft productivity (read efficiency) would have to decline, or traffic would have to grow at faster rates than hypothesised. Or, alternatively, that supply would be absorbed by demand which the forecast currently allocates to the new OEM production programmes, thereby weakening the market imperative and reducing market penetration for those aircraft.

Finally, the Flightglobal Fleet Forecast is focused on long-term trends. No attempt has been made to predict the enduring global economic cycle which itself will impact aviation, creating its own demand and supply cycle. We are now seven years into the current cycle, which commenced with the downturn in 2008. Every cycle is of course different but previous cycles have typically lasted seven to 10 years.

So, the risk of some softening of demand over the next few years must increase as the cycle endures – perhaps coinciding with those rate increases from the two incumbent manufacturers, bringing obvious consequences for the single-aisle markets.

ANALYSIS: The Flightglobal Fleet Forecast's narrowbody outlook
 
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C919 final assembly 'much smoother' than ARJ21's
01 SEPTEMBER, 2015 BY: MAVIS TOH

Progress with the final assembly of the C919 narrowbody is much smoother compared with the journey of the ARJ21 regional jet, says Comac's chief engineer Jiang Liping.

Jiang, who was involved in the ARJ21 and now focuses on the C919 programme, attributes this to more active process control by Comac, as well as the improved specifications the manufacturer has given out to suppliers.

While the final assembly of the ARJ21 airframe took about six months, Comac spent only about 3.5 months to put the C919 airframe together. The complex wing-to-body join of the narrowbody meanwhile took only 25 days, Jiang tells Flightglobal in an interview in Shanghai.

“This is because we had better process control and took more measurements once parts are delivered, to make sure the parts are to standard,” she adds.

When Flightglobal visited Comac's final assembly centre in Shanghai last week, the assembly of the C919 airframe is largely complete with installations of harnesses, cables and pipes already started.

Jiang admits that even she was surprised by how smooth the fusing of the different fuselage sections went, adding that the panels aligned without the need for additional work due to improved specifications that were given to suppliers early.

The airframer, however, had to reinforce the composite aft-fuselage since this is the first time Chinese suppliers are working with the material, says Jiang. Comac is also using a dual supplier system to manufacture critical and potentially challenging parts of the C919 airframe, to ensure quality control and to prevent any major delays to the programme.

Jiang says her worries remain with system integration as well as the overall process control of the programme.

“If process control is done well, no big issues will surface,” she adds.

Jiang also revealed that the Civil Aviation Administration of China (CAAC) has been more involved in the details of the progress of the programme early on, as compared with the ARJ21. This is expected to make the C919's certification much easier than was the case with the ARJ21, which only gained Chinese certification eight years after its first flight.

“The ARJ21 was the first experience for us and also for the CAAC," she says. "Things are different now.”

Comac is working on an internal target to roll out the C919 later this year, and Jiang says under the best circumstances, pre-flight preparations could be completed four months thereafter. This means that the C919 could make its first flight around April or May of 2016.

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November 2rd , the plane full assemble will be completed and ready for ground test.

I wonder whether C919 could adopt this GTF or stick to CFM Leap-1C / or even WS-20
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