China Civil Aviation, AVIC (MA600) & COMAC (ARJ21/C919/C929)

lcloo · May 28, 2023

China signed bilateral airworthiness agreements with 27 countries. Meaning no need European or US's FAA certification for C919, ARJ-21, Y-12F, MA-60, MA-600 and MA-700 to fly in these countries.

The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has a list of countries that have signed Bilateral Airworthiness Agreements (BAA) with China. The list includes 27 countries as of 2022. Here are the countries:

Australia
Austria
Brazil
Canada
Chile
Egypt
France
Germany
Hungary
India
Indonesia
Italy
Japan
Malaysia
Mexico
New Zealand
Pakistan
Peru
Poland
Romania
Singapore
South Africa
South Korea
Spain
Thailand
Turkey
United Kingdom

FuturePAF · May 29, 2023

FuturePAF said:
A major milestone. A few small hiccups, but seems to have gone well, according to the following video.

Waiting to see a Chinese engine powered version of the C-919; the next milestone.

Once that is done, then waiting for an all Chinese parts version of the C-919 would be major major breakthrough.

It won’t be long before parts get cutoff, especially if the following is true.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1662839285576511488

Han Patriot · May 29, 2023

FuturePAF said:
It won’t be long before parts get cutoff, especially if the following is true.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1662839285576511488

They have already sanctioned Comac in 2021,but did not cut off the components supply.

K_Bin_W · May 29, 2023

Han Patriot said:
They have already sanctioned Comac in 2021,but did not cut off the components supply.

Even if they did it will be a minor bump, China has a track record to go the indigenous route very quickly.

FuturePAF · May 29, 2023

Han Patriot said:
They have already sanctioned Comac in 2021,but did not cut off the components supply.

How soon till a fully indigenous C-919 will be operational for commercial flight?

Bilal9 · May 29, 2023

Han Patriot said:
They have already sanctioned Comac in 2021,but did not cut off the components supply.

Sanctions are essentially manipulative threats, not dictum to restrict sales.

If they can't sell anything, how will they make money?

Aircraft and the engines powering them are major sales items to Asia, where air travel is booming.

China also has large assembly plants for A320 and B737 in China.

Air travel in China needs 500~600 new aircraft every year - and double the number of course of engines.

These are expensive items to buy and also to maintain using parts, which the US sells.

Han Patriot · May 29, 2023

FuturePAF said:
How soon till a fully indigenous C-919 will be operational for commercial flight?

Most components are made in China under JVs, so if there is a full sanction, the foreign partner will sell their share else there is normally a local supplier providing those. I would say 10 years to be fully independent but it also depends when do3s US do a full sanction.

LKJ86 · May 29, 2023

C919 and ARJ21

Via @航空物语 from Weibo

LKJ86 · May 29, 2023

C919

Via @TreeFlowerS from Weibo

JSCh · May 30, 2023

The passengers on the first commercial flight of C919 include -

Minister of Industry & Info Tech of China;
Director of the Civil Aviation Administration of China;
Chairman of COMAC;
General Manager of China Eastern Airlines;
Chief Designer of C919;
General Manager of AVIC.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1662989864114212865

casual · Jun 1, 2023

FuturePAF said:
How soon till a fully indigenous C-919 will be operational for commercial flight?

probably 10 years away. recertification of new parts will take time. however, domestic suppliers now have a platform to develop for and that's the important factor.