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China calls for negotiations, cease-fire in Ukraine after Russia's military mobilization announcement

You always lose in discussions cause you only get info from one sided western media and I get them from both the east and west.

What part of your quote

I guess you didn't read much, it's China's official stance from day one, even before the war broke out.

refutes my assertion that China should have mentioned a ceasefire on day one of the invasion???

I posted an article from ChinaDaily from the day after the invasion and you are still saying I'm in the wrong.
 
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China never supported this war and always wants the war to stop as soon as possible, read it.


That article is from March 28th. The invasion was on February 25th so having the Chinese publicly re-state their stance a month after the fact means nothing.

Why are you dodging posting their invasion day reactions???

All I said in reaction to the OP title of

China calls for negotiations, cease-fire in Ukraine after Russia's military mobilization announcement​


was:
I guess announcing something like this the day of the original invasion was too inconvenient.

to which you responded

I guess you didn't read much, it's China's official stance from day one, even before the war broke out.

When I posted the China Daily article the day after the invasion I see no mention of China calling for a cease fire or negotiations.

You now have spent 2 pages dancing around that.
 
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That article is from March 28th. The invasion was on February 25th so having the Chinese publicly re-state their stance a month after the fact means nothing.

Why are you dodging posting their invasion day reactions???

All I said in reaction to the OP title of

China calls for negotiations, cease-fire in Ukraine after Russia's military mobilization announcement​


was:


to which you responded



When I posted the China Daily article the day after the invasion I see no mention of China calling for a cease fire or negotiations.

You now have spent 2 pages dancing around that.
China always wants a cease fire actually China doesn't want to see the war happen in the first place, it's a policy that everyone knows, China only reiliterated again when Russia implied it might use nuclear weapons, do you like to see nuclear weapons used in Europe?
 
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Good cop bad cop game. Russia wanted negotiations to begin with, if Ukraine caves then Russia wouldn’t need to waste anymore troops. But it’s highly unlikely because Ukraine is suicidal at this point.
 
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Good cop bad cop game. Russia wanted negotiations to begin with, if Ukraine caves then Russia wouldn’t need to waste anymore troops. But it’s highly unlikely because Ukraine is suicidal at this point.
Yeah since Russia invaded and took some territories and trying to make some fake referendum to annex them quickly, the Ukrainians are pretty much beyond that.
 
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If Usa and Russia nuke each other then China will also go down with it as the countries bordering Russia will also suffer greatly. Russia is definitely struggling to win the Ukrainian war. China will probably pressurise Russia and Ukraine to come to the negotiation table and declare end to the war. Ukraine will have to agree to give Crimea and Donbass region to Russia and Russia will then allow Ukraine to join EU and possibly Nato in the future. Russia will be the loosing party no matter what because they failed in Ukraine.
The thing is, China have no hold on Ukraine.

As much as I want to see China take a bigger role to end this war, I can only see Chinese be able to affect Russian, so at the end of the day it is whether or not China going to do all it can to force Russia (or rather Putin) to give up, I don't see that coming either.

At this point, Ukraine will only talks if there are 2 things on the table,

1.) Roll back to at least pre-2022 border.
2.) Security Guarantee, most likely membership sometime down the road.

Without both, I don't think Ukraine will talk.

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Look at the Russia export chart. This is why their economy is fine. Russian economy aint like India or China. They have lots of resources and few people. As long as they can export their resources, they are fine.

and they aren't any jobless people anymore with general mobilization just announced.

They are in the shit now BECAUSE OF THIS.

China cannot replace EU as Russian energy partner; it would be lucky if Russia can dump half of what it sold to EU before on China, it will be most likely less, a lot less. And then they are going to do it with a discounted price.

It's still rosy if oil price is $130 or more per barrel, not at 80 to 90 per barrel, while no one know what kind of discount rate Russia is offering but most people in the market believe China will not bulk buy unless it is 20% off or more.

And then this news just released.


You don't hike the tax for oil and gas when they are earning enough for you. That's the ground reality here.
 
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Hey numb numb please find us an official statement that says we support Russia invading Ukriane? If you can't find it then you are just a cheerleader. Lolol

Ah the usual numb numb with incredibly low reading comprehension skills.

All I said was how come the Chinese waited six months into the conflict to announce calls for a cease fire? Why is now so special versus yesterday or the day before that or the day before that....?

Or was this simply a reminder announcement of something they had said previously...and nobody noted (I guess their opinions were never considered important).

Can you search for the PDF thread that mentions China calling for a cease fire or was it just never posted because the Chinese here are lapdogs of the Russians and didn't want to post any negative news?
 
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What part of your quote



refutes my assertion that China should have mentioned a ceasefire on day one of the invasion???

I posted an article from ChinaDaily from the day after the invasion and you are still saying I'm in the wrong.
What China is doing now is to prevent two lunatics from throwing nuclear weapons at each other.

China also knows that such calls will not work. But it will remind both sides that there are still channels of communication.
 
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This is not willing or intentional assistance, rather just it's up to the Russians. I don't see why China wants to block the Russians from using Yuans.

China does not prevent Russia from using CNY, but ensures that the number of offshore CNY will not be too large, and it is controllable.

According to the "Impossible trinity" law of economics, independent monetary policy, stable exchange rate and free flow of capital. You can only select two of the three points at most.

China has chosen an independent monetary policy and a stable exchange rate, so China must control the flow of CNY capital. Otherwise, China will not be able to guarantee the stability of the exchange rate.

 
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Ah the usual numb numb with incredibly low reading comprehension skills.

All I said was how come the Chinese waited six months into the conflict to announce calls for a cease fire? Why is now so special versus yesterday or the day before that or the day before that....?

Or was this simply a reminder announcement of something they had said previously...and nobody noted (I guess their opinions were never considered important).

Can you search for the PDF thread that mentions China calling for a cease fire or was it just never posted because the Chinese here are lapdogs of the Russians and didn't want to post any negative news?
So you can't find a SINGLE statement right? Hahhahaha
 
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The West asks China to help to end the Ukraine crisis.

But once China helps it, the West is going to attack China in less than one second.

It's politics, nothing personal.
 
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How can Russia win the economic war?
Before the war Russia sells oil and gas to Europe and China.
Now Russia sells oil and gas to China.
Don’t you notice something is missing?
Yes dependence on Europe and the dollar. Look at the ruble
 
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Yes dependence on Europe and the dollar. Look at the ruble
The rubbe is artificial currency, it is worthless outside Russia hemisphere.
price of gas, oil sinking.
Oil below $80 per barrel
Gas below $190 per MWh
where will Putin get the money for the army if he can only sell oil, gas to China but those assets are getting cheaper? He can hit his head against the wall.
Even if he withdrew from Ukraine. The damage is done.
 
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