China bulldozed India's security concerns as Russia looked the other way

[N.Siddiqui]

Such hand gestures, like pointing fingers is considered uncivilized and unacceptable in diplomatic norms. Modi does it more often than not...

We'll know he was a chaiwala and doesn't know a thing about diplomatic do's and don't but he should have learned it by now.

 

[Gibbs]

Yes man India is isolated...

I dont think anyone here is implying India is isolated, So calm the feck down ..

India cannot be isolated given it's stature in the region and in global context, It's all about India over playing it's hand, I think even the more knowledgeable Indian posters here will and have acknowledged it, India over estimated it's influence in this regard

India lacks International clout coupled with UNSC seat.
US-Russia always give India a lip service, nothing more, when it comes to International matters that matter the most.

Obviously no country would be serious towards India, when they listen (on one hand) of India's so called Surgical strikes, and on the other, Modi supplying electricity to Pakistan through his friends a la Adani.

Unfortunately for most posters here think geo politics is like a conspiracy movie, Everything is black and white, They dont realize the intricacies involved, They fail to differentiate on what domestic politicians say in their countries for domestic consumption is not what really happen at diplomatic tables at global stages.. Their media is no better, But then again it's a business they sell stories how ever exaggerated and over hyped they are

Neither India nor Pakistan can afford to isolate each other and progress, This is not some bollywood movie

 

[CorporateAffairs]

90% threads on this forum belong to India.
Clearly shows NaMo fear on certain rogue states

 

[Kambojaric]

Hmmm.. Should be an eye opener to all the hyper jingoistic kids here on PDF on how real politik work.. China and Russia are the big boys in the global power game, Along with the US, Rest are all mere subordinates to these powers

I think Russia-India ties are turning into pure business ties only. India is drifting towards the US politically on the global stage so no reason for Russia to engage with India's political interests. As for business, that obviously continues as normal. However claims of "isolating" Pakistan, is really turning into a huge embarrassment for the incumbent Indian government.

 

[Gibbs]

I think Russia-India ties are turning into pure business ties only. India is drifting towards the US politically on the global stage so no reason for Russia to engage with India's political interests. As for business, that obviously continues as normal. However claims of "isolating" Pakistan, is really turning into a huge embarrassment for the incumbent Indian government.

Exactly thats why i mentioned these three are the pillars of a multi polar world (Though the US would disagree) and the rest are all subordinates, India will sway from the Eastern block to the West given the govt's at the helm and who they prefer, Russians and the Yanks will use there influence over when it suits them, Or will use as a regional counter block each other or a third party China as it happens now

The same goes for Pakistan, It will sway from one block to the other given the circumstances on how real politiks would work in the undercurrents of geo power politics

 

[ashok321]

Why major countries do not respect India:

 

[SBUS-CXK]

Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi (L) gestures while talking with China's President Xi Jingping

It is very impolite behavior!! With a finger to a head of state, Who Modi thinks he is? Look at his performance in G20, he thought he was a star, but no one to pay attention to him... But it can be understood, after all, India rarely report international meeting, the lack of international courtesy and experience.

 

[noksss]

That may be true but argument here is how Russia also ignored India vis-a-vis Pakistan as India would have ideally liked Russia to name and shame Pakistan.

SU-35 , F-16 looked the other way for you guys name shaming looked the other way for us so in the end its a Pakistani victory all the way

Indeed there are super powers and then there are micro midgets, having a billion souls may make you an attractive market for commodities but you are irrelevant when it comes to world stage.

Do you know for what you guys are relevant in the world stage ?.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1235106
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...kistan-is-promoting-the-export-of-terror.html
http://nation.com.pk/international/09-Aug-2016/putin-offers-pakistan-help-against-terror

 

[cirr]

India is isolated:-

1. India signed with Russia for S-400, when Chinese president is even at the BRICS in India.India keep S400 with an eye for China and Pakistan.Why Russia do that, even at near presence of Chinese president !

2. Russian president never ever visited pakistan, but do many visits in India

3. US President visited 2 times in india, but none in Pakistan

4. No SAARC summit instead these countries top leaders visited for BIMSTEC in Goa

5. US and Russia made clear that they will not sell most advanced fighter jets to pakistan(Recent F-16 jets and SU-35)

6. All these countries also have plan for production facility in India

7. European union countries already ban military sale to China a long time ago

8. Indians can travel more easily compared to Chinese or pakistan with their own passport

9. India is growing almost 7.5% when even many economies are struggling especially Russia,Brazil etc

10. Even at not a good relation with China, India-China do military exercises

Yes man India is isolated...

@Laozi @danger007

A few S-400 batteries. So what? Have we ever uttered a word of complainment about Russia's selling weapons to you? Any weapons that Russia can offer you. No. Same with Russia's arms deals with Vietnam.

 

[ashok321]

Setback for Modi?
US is not on board India's Pakistan policy!
Now, US refrains from commenting on PM Modi’s ‘mothership’ remark at BRICS Summit

US refrains from commenting on PM Modi's 'mothership' remark

 

[Shakuni & Ravan]

A few S-400 batteries. So what? Have we ever uttered a word of complainment about Russia's selling weapons to you? Any weapons that Russia can offer you. No. Same with Russia's arms deals with Vietnam.

Majority if threads these days and discussions related to modi or India and purpose is only to troll India, be a bengali, be a pakistani or be a chinese and so my response.So you can relax !

It is very impolite behavior!! With a finger to a head of state, Who Modi thinks he is? Look at his performance in G20, he thought he was a star, but no one to pay attention to him... But it can be understood, after all, India rarely report international meeting, the lack of international courtesy and experience.

By the way international media report for china is not in a positive way either buddy.Either they report SCS and your arrogant attitude,or complaining about dumping your cheap products in their country and the list goes on....World community keep international courtesy for chinese passport holders below India...

 

[SBUS-CXK]

By the way international media report for china is not in a positive way either buddy.Either they report SCS and your arrogant attitude,or complaining about dumping your cheap products in their country and the list goes on....World community keep international courtesy for chinese passport holders below India...

Sir, don't change the subject, if you used finger speaking with others, and think it is polite, I hope you can accept re education, although I know that educated Indians is very low, if India in Kashmir, Assam, Manipur to remain polite, so I believe in Manipur and Assam. India passport holders will not add China.....

 

[wiseone2]

Best is to lay low till India reaches that position that it could indeed directly influence global geo politics, Thats how China did it.. Premature posturing of power without sufficient influence to back it can backfire spectacularly.. It may work sporadically with regional countries with little or no strategic importance but not with real global powers

agreed

 

[rott]

Indian mentality : India = the center of the world, India means everything !

US,China,Russia : India = nothing, India = nobody !

They are stupid.

 

[Serious Carrey]

Best is to lay low till India reaches that position that it could indeed directly influence global geo politics, Thats how China did it.. Premature posturing of power without sufficient influence to back it can backfire spectacularly.. It may work sporadically with regional countries with little or no strategic importance but not with real global powers

Modi, Parrikar, and few others in the government must stop giving chest thumping statements and continue working on India's development. India is important but still not that important to influence big powers of the world.