we're not talking about them. without credible citations, your claims about aegis are merely wishful thinking. nothing more.
China building new Type 052D guided missile destroyer
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keep us posted, till then refrain from making claims you can't prove.
your credibility as it is, is nil
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Japanese Aegis ships are inferior to American Aegis
1. Japanese Aegis ships lack Tomahawk missiles (see first citation below).
2. American Aegis Flight III uses superior dual-band radar (see second citation below).
This is my last post on this topic. I'm tired of you retarded Indians.
You Indians flood the threads in our Chinese sub-forum with crap. Also, this discussion was between me and some American guy. You Indians were uninvited.
Last time: exported American military equipment does not perform to the specifications built for native American military equipment. Stop lying and misleading others.
If I could, I would ban all you Indian trolls from the Chinese sub-forum. You simply make claims that are NOT TRUE.
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"Nov 7, 2011 There also are qualitative differences between Japan's modern ... Not all portions of the US Aegis system are installed on the Japanese ship.
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The Tomahawk system is not exported, and there is no equivalent Japanese-supplied function. Several other functions are also deleted in the Japanese ship."
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Flight III:Building a Better Burke « New Wars
"Flight III: Building a Better Burke
March 1, 2010
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ORourke detailed the elimination of the main 5 inch gun to save weight on a future DDG. There are already 106 such weapons in service with the 22 Ticonderoga cruisers and 62 destroyers, so the loss seems minimal. Dispensing with the gun would save weight, allowing for an improved radar over the current Aegis Spy-1. In its place, would go the powerful dual band radar meant for the truncated DDG-1000 Zumwalt destroyer program, and perhaps for the CGX cruiser canceled this year by the QDR. Extra power could be taken aboard for directed energy weapons as they are developed.
If history is any guide, the Navy will likely add more size such as a lengthened hull, as has been the practice with each consistent Burke Flight. Up to 56 feet more in length was proposed in the 1997 estimates. This would also entail an increase in weight from the 9500 tons full for a Flight IIA, perhaps as much as an 11,000 tons. We can expect the price to rise as well, with $2.25 billion each likely just the start."
1. Japanese Aegis ships lack Tomahawk missiles (see first citation below).
2. American Aegis Flight III uses superior dual-band radar (see second citation below).
This is my last post on this topic. I'm tired of you retarded Indians.
You Indians flood the threads in our Chinese sub-forum with crap. Also, this discussion was between me and some American guy. You Indians were uninvited.
Last time: exported American military equipment does not perform to the specifications built for native American military equipment. Stop lying and misleading others.
If I could, I would ban all you Indian trolls from the Chinese sub-forum. You simply make claims that are NOT TRUE.
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DDG Kongo Class
"Nov 7, 2011 There also are qualitative differences between Japan's modern ... Not all portions of the US Aegis system are installed on the Japanese ship.
...
The Tomahawk system is not exported, and there is no equivalent Japanese-supplied function. Several other functions are also deleted in the Japanese ship."
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Flight III:Building a Better Burke « New Wars
"Flight III: Building a Better Burke
March 1, 2010
...
ORourke detailed the elimination of the main 5 inch gun to save weight on a future DDG. There are already 106 such weapons in service with the 22 Ticonderoga cruisers and 62 destroyers, so the loss seems minimal. Dispensing with the gun would save weight, allowing for an improved radar over the current Aegis Spy-1. In its place, would go the powerful dual band radar meant for the truncated DDG-1000 Zumwalt destroyer program, and perhaps for the CGX cruiser canceled this year by the QDR. Extra power could be taken aboard for directed energy weapons as they are developed.
If history is any guide, the Navy will likely add more size such as a lengthened hull, as has been the practice with each consistent Burke Flight. Up to 56 feet more in length was proposed in the 1997 estimates. This would also entail an increase in weight from the 9500 tons full for a Flight IIA, perhaps as much as an 11,000 tons. We can expect the price to rise as well, with $2.25 billion each likely just the start."
lmao Martian2 blaming others for "flooding the thread"
Thats a good one!No one is saying that the Japanese and American ships are exactly the same. But the major components (The Aegis BMD) is the same. So the onus is on you to prove how and why the Chinese type 52s are better than the Japanese Aegis (3.6.1) Destroyers.
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U.S. also downgrades exported navigation and targeting pods
I think I'll just start ignoring Indians spouting crap. They make claims that are untrue and fill people's minds with garbage. I don't have the time or inclination to keep responding to every Indian troll that jumps into the middle of my discussion with a non-Indian member.
Anyway, I want to make the point that the United States doesn't just downgrade weapon systems. The U.S. government also downgrades accessories. A navigation pod doesn't sound like a big deal, right? Well, the U.S. government mandates the downgrade of a seemingly-harmless navigation pod.
You can imagine the amount of downgrades for major exported weapon systems like the Aegis.
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LANTIRN - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"LANTIRN consists of a navigation pod and a targeting pod mounted externally beneath the aircraft.
AN/AAQ-13 navigation pod
The AN/AAQ-13 navigation pod provides high-speed penetration (STS) and precision attack on tactical targets at night and in adverse weather. The navigation pod also contains a terrain-following radar and a fixed infrared sensor, which provides a visual cue and input to the aircraft's flight control system, enabling it to maintain a pre-selected altitude above the terrain and avoid obstacles. This sensor displays an infrared image of the terrain in front of the aircraft, to the pilot, on a Head-Up Display. The navigation pod enables the pilot to fly along the general contour of the terrain at high speed, using mountains, valleys and the cover of darkness to avoid detection. The pod was the USAF's first wide-field, forward-looking infrared navigation system for air-superiority fighters. A downgraded version for export with the terrain-following radar deleted is designated as AN/AAQ-20 Pathfinder, which is only capable of providing a visual cue/picture of ground features in darkness and adverse weather generated by the infrared sensor, and pilots must rely on his/her own skill to avoid ground obstacles at low altitude flight.
AN/AAQ-14 targeting pod
The AN/AAQ-14 targeting pod contains a high-resolution, forward-looking infrared sensor (which displays an infrared image of the target to the pilot), a laser designator/rangefinder for precise delivery of laser-guided munitions, a missile boresight correlator for automatic lock-on of the AGM-65 Maverick imaging infrared missiles, and software for automatic target tracking. These features simplify the functions of target detection, recognition and attack and permit pilots of single-seat fighters to attack targets with precision-guided weapons on a single pass. A downgraded version for export with the air-to-air mode and the AGM-65 Maverick air-to-ground missile compatibility deleted is designated as AN/AAQ-19 Sharpshooter."
I think I'll just start ignoring Indians spouting crap. They make claims that are untrue and fill people's minds with garbage. I don't have the time or inclination to keep responding to every Indian troll that jumps into the middle of my discussion with a non-Indian member.
Anyway, I want to make the point that the United States doesn't just downgrade weapon systems. The U.S. government also downgrades accessories. A navigation pod doesn't sound like a big deal, right? Well, the U.S. government mandates the downgrade of a seemingly-harmless navigation pod.
You can imagine the amount of downgrades for major exported weapon systems like the Aegis.
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LANTIRN - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"LANTIRN consists of a navigation pod and a targeting pod mounted externally beneath the aircraft.
AN/AAQ-13 navigation pod
The AN/AAQ-13 navigation pod provides high-speed penetration (STS) and precision attack on tactical targets at night and in adverse weather. The navigation pod also contains a terrain-following radar and a fixed infrared sensor, which provides a visual cue and input to the aircraft's flight control system, enabling it to maintain a pre-selected altitude above the terrain and avoid obstacles. This sensor displays an infrared image of the terrain in front of the aircraft, to the pilot, on a Head-Up Display. The navigation pod enables the pilot to fly along the general contour of the terrain at high speed, using mountains, valleys and the cover of darkness to avoid detection. The pod was the USAF's first wide-field, forward-looking infrared navigation system for air-superiority fighters. A downgraded version for export with the terrain-following radar deleted is designated as AN/AAQ-20 Pathfinder, which is only capable of providing a visual cue/picture of ground features in darkness and adverse weather generated by the infrared sensor, and pilots must rely on his/her own skill to avoid ground obstacles at low altitude flight.
AN/AAQ-14 targeting pod
The AN/AAQ-14 targeting pod contains a high-resolution, forward-looking infrared sensor (which displays an infrared image of the target to the pilot), a laser designator/rangefinder for precise delivery of laser-guided munitions, a missile boresight correlator for automatic lock-on of the AGM-65 Maverick imaging infrared missiles, and software for automatic target tracking. These features simplify the functions of target detection, recognition and attack and permit pilots of single-seat fighters to attack targets with precision-guided weapons on a single pass. A downgraded version for export with the air-to-air mode and the AGM-65 Maverick air-to-ground missile compatibility deleted is designated as AN/AAQ-19 Sharpshooter."
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Those Indian elites won't admit the weapons USA selling them is downgraded, otherwise Indian tax payer will kick their butt.
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Indians are good at one thing only，and that's making stupid movies called bollywood。
The P-15A whatever have been under construction for over 9 years and the half-finished coffins are still floating by garbage dumps waiting for imported nuts and bolts。These international laughingstocks wouldn't be inducted into the IN long after China's Type 055 DDGs start patrolling the Indian Ocean。
Want a bet？ You got it。
The P-15A whatever have been under construction for over 9 years and the half-finished coffins are still floating by garbage dumps waiting for imported nuts and bolts。These international laughingstocks wouldn't be inducted into the IN long after China's Type 055 DDGs start patrolling the Indian Ocean。
Want a bet？ You got it。
the UK co-developed the f-35 since the beginning don't even have access to the source codes. you think yours the same as american you're delusional.lol. not just that. all the weapon systems probably has full of spy bugs or back doors..
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they would rather believe in vivid delusion than reality, of course that gambit 'expert' would defend U.S's reputation of their exported weaponsthe UK co-developed the f-35 since the beginning don't even have access to the source codes. you think yours the same as american you're delusional.lol. not just that. all the weapon systems probably has full of spy bugs or back doors..
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Excuse me, Why are there many indian? but other two similar thread not?
Forget it, that country build their destroyer in 10 years, let's talk about 052D!!
Forget it, that country build their destroyer in 10 years, let's talk about 052D!!
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Indians are good at one thing only，and that's making stupid movies called bollywood。
The P-15A whatever have been under construction for over 9 years and the half-finished coffins are still floating by garbage dumps waiting for imported nuts and bolts。These international laughingstocks wouldn't be inducted into the IN long after China's Type 055 DDGs start patrolling the Indian Ocean。
Want a bet？ You got it。
P-15A reminds me of LCA~
<we're not talking about them. without credible citations>
I suppose Indians have credible citations? You guys need to look yourself in the mirror. Self introspection would do you guys good.
You overseas Indians who think you're hotshots go back to India to wake up from your dreams. I know this Indian family whose son refuses to visit India for vacation and doesn't want to be associated with Indian culture and the parents understand why.
Anyone who doesn't believe in "DOWNGRADING", is clueless.
<Indians are good at one thing only，and that's making stupid movies called bollywood,>
One of the effects of Bollywood: If you read the Indian newspapers, many minors/women are being raped. Recently, an Indian dude was charged with molest on SIA flight.
I suppose Indians have credible citations? You guys need to look yourself in the mirror. Self introspection would do you guys good.
You overseas Indians who think you're hotshots go back to India to wake up from your dreams. I know this Indian family whose son refuses to visit India for vacation and doesn't want to be associated with Indian culture and the parents understand why.
Anyone who doesn't believe in "DOWNGRADING", is clueless.
<Indians are good at one thing only，and that's making stupid movies called bollywood,>
One of the effects of Bollywood: If you read the Indian newspapers, many minors/women are being raped. Recently, an Indian dude was charged with molest on SIA flight.
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12000 ton big boy，at least 128 cellls.
this has absolutely nothing to do with the Aegis systems sold to Japan. Japan uses the exact same version of Aegis as the US as reported in Defense industry daily. As does Australia and other countries
http://www.dsca.mil/pressreleases/36-b/2008/Australia_08-74.pdf
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