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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...lear-Suppliers-Group/articleshow/52243719.cms

WASHINGTON: China andPakistan are closely coordinating moves to block India's entry into the NuclearSuppliers Group (NSG).

Beijing is using Pakistan's non-starter position with the NSG to block India's application in the name of parity, stating that it would either support NSG entry for both India and Pakistan, or none of them.

Talking about the China - Pakistan grand strategy to stall India's admission into the NSG , well placed US sources who work with the NSG said that from all counts it does appear that China and Pakistan are coordinating closely to stop the Indian entry.

The sources pointed to the fact that when India sought an information session with the NSG Participating Governments (PGs) at the recent NSG Consultative Group meeting on April 25 and 26, where it would have made a formal presentation to the NSG Group in support of its membership, Pakistan requested for a similar discussion slot with the NSG PGs.

Sources said that even though Pakistan was fully aware that its request would be rejected, it made its application at the cue of China, in order for Beijing to look even-handed when it sought the rejection of both requests on grounds of parity.

Providing an insight into the China-Pakistan plan to stall India, sources say that Pakistan is now going to write to all the NSG PGs about its wish to join the group. This is being done in anticipation of an application by India for NSG membership at the forthcoming plenary session of the group in June.

The Pakistani application, added sources, is "just a decoy" for China to reject both applications on grounds of parity. China knows that Pakistan does not stand a chance at the NSG, and most of the states will reject Islamabad's application.

By taking the lead in rejecting the Pakistani application along with that of India, China would like to project its position as "neutral" when in reality it is "working in tandem with Pakistan to stall India's application ".

US sources are disappointed with the Chinese tactics of "using Pakistan's non credentials with the NSG to settle scores with India". Informed sources say that this strategy is not a secret and during Pakistan President Mamnoon Hussain's visit to China in November 2015, China revealed its hand when it told President Hussain that if India is allowed to get NSG membership, China would ensure that Pakistan also joins the group.

The Chinese government told President Hussain that "if India is allowed to join the NSG and Pakistan is deprived of NSG membership, Beijing will veto the move and block the Indian entry".

Sources maintain that true to its word, China is following a plan that will enable it to use Pakistan's non-acceptance at the NSG to block India's acceptance. "It is both or none" is the Chinese plan to derail the Indian application, say sources.

Chinese officials at the NSG level have been using the Pakistan card to stop India's entry into it while appearing to be even handed in China's relations with India.

Well informed sources also point to comments made by Pakistan's former permanent representative to the United Nations Zamir Akram who virtually admitted the grand China - Pakistan plan to stall India's entry into the NSG when, he said, that India will not make it to the NSG despite US support since China was committed to both India and Pakistan joining the NSG at the same time, and would block any move for a unilateral admission of India.

He added that chances of India gaining entry into the NSG are virtually nil. The former senior Pakistani official also made it known that Islamabad has "friends at the NSG" who won't let India enter the group.

US sources have seen through China's game of "either both or none" in the NSG. They say that India's non-proliferation credentials can never be compared with Pakistan's, as Pakistan has a history of "selling Nuclear technology to rogue states like Libya". They point to the father of Pakistan's nuclear bomb, Dr A.Q. Khan, and his global nuclear trade.

Added to this history, is the fear in the West that Pakistan's nuclear weapons, especially the tactical version that it is now in the process of developing, can easily find their way into the hands of terrorists, as Pakistan's nuclear command is extremely vulnerable to penetration by Islamic hardliners.

Well-placed sources say that China is aware of this situation, and is mindful of the fact that Pakistan can never be considered for membership in any global nuclear club, but that won't stop China from using Pakistan as a "parity token to stop India which is fast emerging as China's competitor at a global level".
By rejecting the applications of both Pakistan and India, China is telling New Delhi and the NSG governments that it is "neutral", when in fact it is working with Pakistan to reject India's application in the hope that there won't be an Indian reaction.
US sources say China's grand plan is to "eat its cake and have it too", that is reject the Indian application to the NSG on the pretext of "neutrality" between India and Pakistan and then hope that the "neutrality" card will stop any Indian commercial blowback on China.
Giving further insight into the plan, US sources say that China "would be naive to expect that there won't be an Indian reaction, and especially a commercial one, as China is mindful that India is fully qualified to join the NSG, and by playing the 'Pakistan parity card', China is only hurting its own interests with an upcoming economic power, India."
 
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I don't get all these conspiracies that China is working secretly to stall India in the NSG, UNSC, etc.

If we wanted to stop it, we would veto it immediately.

Hell we vetoed the Syria resolution in the UNSC despite US/NATO and even our Middle Eastern allies warning us not to. And we have nothing to do with Syria.

U.S. 'Disgusted' With China, Russia Veto on Syria - Israel News
 
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Giving further insight into the plan, US sources say that China "would be naive to expect that there won't be an Indian reaction, and especially a commercial one, as China is mindful that India is fully qualified to join the NSG, and by playing the 'Pakistan parity card', China is only hurting its own interests with an upcoming economic power, India."
It is just a matter of time.

If a country becomes economically powerful then all other nations do everything to be on the right side of the powerful.


China will realize which side of the bread has butter sooner than later :-)
 
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I don't get all these conspiracies that China is working secretly to stall India in the NSG, UNSC, etc.

If we wanted to stop it, we would veto it immediately.

Hell we vetoed the Syria resolution in the UNSC despite US/NATO and even our Middle Eastern allies warning us not to. And we have nothing to do with Syria.

U.S. 'Disgusted' With China, Russia Veto on Syria - Israel News

You are vetoing it. There is no conspiracy. Is that simple enough in kind words. The article is about the justification for that veto China is giving.

It's all fair and I don't blame China. This is how geopolitics works.. India will take appropriate steps as per capacity and willingness and remember every little bit adds up.
 
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Funny :lol:
West have the most modern nuke techs and they will trade with us even if we dont have any NSG membership even in future .
Only loser in here will be China because they cant stop India even if they want to .We will circumvent NSG .After all you cant ignore a multi trillion$ economy .

I don't get all these conspiracies that China is working secretly to stall India in the NSG, UNSC, etc.

If we wanted to stop it, we would veto it immediately.

Hell we vetoed the Syria resolution in the UNSC despite US/NATO and even our Middle Eastern allies warning us not to. And we have nothing to do with Syria.

U.S. 'Disgusted' With China, Russia Veto on Syria - Israel News

We dont blame China .They are ensuring their interests thats all .
But we have to take our national interests seriously and we will do that .No matter what .
One way or another we will nullify such issues .US did the same to us around 2 decades ago .But they came here for a deal .
 
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Good luck to China as they have to follow their path and we have to ours.
 
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well i don't see a reason as to why China should not stop our entry in NSG group. Pakistan would never want that and China will not get anything out of it...so this makes perfect sense...Now the questions is what would India do or for that matter what can we do :)
 
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Why should India expect anything else from Pakistan and China?!

They are doing what's best for their nations.
Similarly, India knows where and how to hurt and will do everything do follow through to hurt them.
 
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I don't get all these conspiracies that China is working secretly to stall India in the NSG, UNSC, etc.

If we wanted to stop it, we would veto it immediately.

Hell we vetoed the Syria resolution in the UNSC despite US/NATO and even our Middle Eastern allies warning us not to. And we have nothing to do with Syria.

U.S. 'Disgusted' With China, Russia Veto on Syria - Israel News


There is no conspiracy theory here and it a win-win for all the parties

1) India already has a waiver and doing business in spite of lack of NSG membership

2) China can prevent Indian membership and prevent/delay the rise of India while at the same time project this as a favor done to Pakistan (even though the act is purely in self interest of China)

3) Pakistan could relax that it's primary rival's rise is being delayed.

4) US is happy that this incident would add to the list of issues between China and India. thereby leading to the permanent rift and schism.
 
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@Spectre

A good thought provoking article finally in TNN

I with my limited knowledge and with various discussions and hints by "people" can say that we as a country are well aware of that.. In reality the present government is trying to find ways and means to justify the conclusion of US foundation agreements and access to technology....

Unfortunately China and Pakistan both are getting fooled in grand scheme of things.. I can tell you USA is considering bases not only in Andaman and Nicobar but also in very very advanced talks with Bangladesh and Sri Lanka and had this with the full support of Indian government...

Look closely and see chabhhar interest of Japan which is now leaked out whereas truth is that it's USA which has requested Japan to come together with India and in turn provide another place for opening up a frontier as well as contain the Chinese route.

The foolishness in international arena like in P5 veto against terror as well as any other such moves to stall India getting membership will be used by people and countries to further polarise India into increasing the cooperation..

Soon you will get a confirmation about Senate approving for tech transfer deals to India and putting it at par with Japan and UK.. India will then get investments and technology... In multiple fields..

It's a game where if India plays carefully, we can bring a massive change to the country..

But internally structural changes, a non sensitive market, a very bad debt situation across the industries and loopholes across multiple platforms and many more points needs to be addressed first before we can embrace such a change for a quantum jump.

To be honest, I have often said bluntly to people whom I can convey that don't chase state elections rather concentrate on center role and policies for the country.. I am sure you catch the drift of what I want to convey with that line ...

Overall it's good as well as bad.. But surely, we won't remain in Nehruvian policies and schemes.. We will kiss non alignment goodbye officially soon.. We will kiss no first use also good bye soon when 4 boats are deployed in seas over next decade and more..all is undergoing a change.. Good or bad.. Surely we will see soon...
 
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Plz do it :china:
1. Not going to affect supply and tech for India
2. Will validate the need to counter China on every field eg high import duties on Chinese goods
 
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@Spectre

A good thought provoking article finally in TNN

I with my limited knowledge and with various discussions and hints by "people" can say that we as a country are well aware of that.. In reality the present government is trying to find ways and means to justify the conclusion of US foundation agreements and access to technology....

Unfortunately China and Pakistan both are getting fooled in grand scheme of things.. I can tell you USA is considering bases not only in Andaman and Nicobar but also in very very advanced talks with Bangladesh and Sri Lanka and had this with the full support of Indian government...

Look closely and see chabhhar interest of Japan which is now leaked out whereas truth is that it's USA which has requested Japan to come together with India and in turn provide another place for opening up a frontier as well as contain the Chinese route.

The foolishness in international arena like in P5 veto against terror as well as any other such moves to stall India getting membership will be used by people and countries to further polarise India into increasing the cooperation..

Soon you will get a confirmation about Senate approving for tech transfer deals to India and putting it at par with Japan and UK.. India will then get investments and technology... In multiple fields..

It's a game where if India plays carefully, we can bring a massive change to the country..

But internally structural changes, a non sensitive market, a very bad debt situation across the industries and loopholes across multiple platforms and many more points needs to be addressed first before we can embrace such a change for a quantum jump.

To be honest, I have often said bluntly to people whom I can convey that don't chase state elections rather concentrate on center role and policies for the country.. I am sure you catch the drift of what I want to convey with that line ...

Overall it's good as well as bad.. But surely, we won't remain in Nehruvian policies and schemes.. We will kiss non alignment goodbye officially soon.. We will kiss no first use also good bye soon when 4 boats are deployed in seas over next decade and more..all is undergoing a change.. Good or bad.. Surely we will see soon...

There is a school of thought which is subscribes to your PoV, I on the other hand think we will move cautiously. There is much happening behind the scenes but as you said we get glimpses of the action either through design or via chance. It would be best interest for India to prolong this dance because either way we are not going to like the end-game. A lot depends on internal situation of China and Russia as they are opaque societies, China even more so. Nonetheless we hold quite a few aces of our own.

I agree though that the time will come in near future when we can't equivocate.
 
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