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[antonius123]

Have any argument to prove me wrong? or only laugh in missery?

 

[21 Dec 2012]

Have any argument to prove me wrong? or only laugh in missery?

You cannot make arbitrary claims and and then ask people to prove you wrong.

 

[antonius123]

You cannot make arbitrary claims and and then ask people to prove you wrong.

Your being clueless doesnt mean other ppl claim is arbitrary

it has been proven and factual that China has strong capability in R&D; you can find out by googling that china's expenditure budget for R&D now is the second biggest after USA, and they have pool of talents (engineer and scientist)

As the matter of fact China has prove to lead in many area technology such as: Super Computer, Bullet Train, Telecomunications, microchip, including automation technology.

If they could develop stealth J-20, fastest supercomputer, fastest bullet train, robust Nuclear Reactor, powerful microprocessor competing intel/nvidia/etc, why dont they arent capable to do the same for so called "Typhoon's virgilus ECM suit" ?

 

[QSeon]

Your being clueless doesnt mean other ppl claim is arbitrary

it has been proven and factual that China has strong capability in R&D; you can find out by googling that china's expenditure budget for R&D now is the second biggest after USA, and they have pool of talents (engineer and scientist)

As the matter of fact China has prove to lead in many area technology such as: Super Computer, Bullet Train, Telecomunications, microchip, including automation technology.

If they could develop stealth J-20, fastest supercomputer, fastest bullet train, robust Nuclear Reactor, powerful microprocessor competing intel/nvidia/etc, why dont they arent capable to do the same for so called "Typhoon's virgilus ECM suit" ?

Bro, dont waste your time arguing with him, a lot of russians are so proud of their soviets-era past and cannot accept the rest of the world continuing to ignore them.

you should say russians have the best technology in every field, it would make them calm and relaxed.

 

[antonius123]

Bro, dont waste your time arguing with him, a lot of russians are so proud of their soviets-era past and cannot accept the rest of the world continuing to ignore them.

you should say russians have the best technology in every field, it would make them calm and relaxed.

We cannot let the ignorant keep being ignorant

China is already ahead of Russia in many or even most field of technology. They need to realize about this reality

 

[pzkilo]

maybe 90% of the so called 'imports from russian' are as fake as those BS russian news like 48 Su-35, rest cable or Su-33 etc, simple fact, China leads russia in most scientific fields now, you either eat it or try to disput with statistics from WB, WIPO or PCT....I wont even be surprised nowadays russia buys lots heavy equipments from China for their factories and data companis, because UK does buying a lot created in China high tech equipments from China now....
so you can laugh at us 'copying' you decade ago, but now only very narrowed area in defence industry only that you can laugh but again it will be over soon

U can show them this:

it hurts ...

 

[Speeder 2]

The thread is not aiming at rubbishing Russians, who have achieved a lot in defence technologies, reaseanablely, given the insane level of defence % of GDP and the length of the time of the Cold War they dedicated themselves in. And don´t forget Russia and China are neighbours and strategic allies at many highest levels.

Yet the fact Russian posters must realise, even after daily fix of Vodka, is that relatively and especially to China, Russia is heavily relying on the their Cold War residual technologies that is depreciating at a fast speed. Hence they should not be surprised, or resist the reality with unfounded arrogance and ignorance sometimes, that China as world´s second largest economy (perhaps already is the largest in real GDP) has now surpassed Russia in numerous high-tech areas which often are of dual-use nature.

Don’t think for a second that cohorts such as France, GB or S Korea would be allowed by the US to sell critical tech(especially semicon-related) to Russia without upper cap even though the Cold War was over. So-called licenced EW suite and targeting pod, etc. of the Eurocanards, I suspect, are not too much different from say India’s licencing of key Western tech, in which the core tech are always NOT available even though TOT rates are as high as 85% or more.

As an example, Russia as far as I am aware has just been allowed recently to produce 64nm with Intel licence using imported IBM machines, more or less at the same level of China, if we conservatively discount China’s indigenous and ongoing effort on 40nm machines.

No one can seriously deny that Su -35 is superior to J-11B, especially and particularly given its engine. Yet they are generally in the same technological page.



That being said, It’s about time to bust “Israel high tech superpower” myth:

With more than 7 mio people and an average IQ of 92, Israel’s high IQers ( I assume here as >=135 entry level for Mensa, more or less capable of high tech research ) are about 130,000 under very optimistic normalisation. If we further roughly assume that only 30% of the figure fall into the working age, within which 30% (an EXTREMELY optimistic assumption) are directly dedicated in tech-related fields, we only have 11,000.

Deducted further high ranking functionaries and other that not in R&D field, Israel’s innovation-prone and functioning high tech brains are in their thousands : 8,000 to 10,000 max (in both civilian plus military tech), with assumptions as generous as almost unbelievable. Yes, Ashkenazis, allegedly ( for I've never seen ANY biological and genetical basis for that, nor studies done on very large samples to support the claim. Note: arbitragical Nobel Science Prize, or any Prize for a closely held circle judged by a tiny group of people, is far from a strict proxi for population avg IQ especially at this high level) have slightly higher IQ on average than the Han Chinese. But their impact is insignificant when the total populatuion is tiny.

In sheer contrast, with 1.3 B and an average IQ of 105, China’s high IQ pool (still>=135 here) is staggering 26 million even without any normalisation after which should be many more - 200X that of Israel. If 30% of which are within working age, and ONLY 2% (in contrast to Israel’s 30%) are in tech field R&D, still have >160,000.

So China have brains who are at the minimum 16X that of Israel in the right R&D positions capable of making high-tech breakthroughs , apart from the difference in the dual-used R&D budgets between the two that is at orders of magnitude.

Israel may be within top 10 military tech export nations in $ term, yet any suggestion that a significant portion of that are indigenous Israeli hence Israel is some sort of "smart high tech supwerpower" is absurd as illustrated in the aforementioned general brain power comparison.

Israel was one of the first in AESA? Gimme a break! AESA requires not only cutting edge theory, but also chips, machines to make chips, and collaboration of varies other high-caliber industrial achievements on which Israle is not near the top league. Israel being one of the first of ASEA is about in the same sense as Saudis, when they landed their hands on the first batch of US R&D and/or functioning products.

The only explanation to this abnormality ( e.g. China sometimes have interests in "Israeli " tech) we've observed is that Israel military high tech by and large (overwhelming majority) ARE IN FACT second or third hand hi-tech of USA, which have been either directly/indirectly gifted/sold at discount to Israel via countless sole/joint R&D programmes across board in decades, or just come from industrial espionages given the numbers of high ranking Israel-US duel citizenship personnel in so many key positions in the US defence industry.

Get real, with zero USA tech input(say hypothetical US/EU/Japan high tech embargo as we do to China), tech-wise when measured by volumn and general quality, Israel today would have been more or less in the same league of Iran, who has about 5 pts lower avg IQ but 10X bigger by head counts hence theoritically could generate tier-I high IQer as many as, nor even slightly more than, that of Israel.

 

[ptldM3]

maybe 90% of the so called 'imports from russian' are as fake as those BS russian news like 48 Su-35, rest cable or Su-33 etc, simple fact, China leads russia in most scientific fields now, you either eat it or try to disput with statistics from WB, WIPO or PCT....I wont even be surprised nowadays russia buys lots heavy equipments from China for their factories and data companis, because UK does buying a lot created in China high tech equipments from China now....
so you can laugh at us 'copying' you decade ago, but now only very narrowed area in defence industry only that you can laugh but again it will be over soon

Right all those, EW helicopter, transport helicopter, engines, air defence systems, ect have never been delivered right?

China has r&d capability to develop so called Typhoon's virgilus ECM suit; someday Russia may buy it from china.

This is the dumbest thing i ever heard. The Virgilus is a unique system, even if China has the R&D it does not mean they have the capability or know how to come up with something similar. By your logic China should have the ability to create jet engines--oh wait they still import them.

 

[antonius123]

By ecosystem do you mean producing electronics for children’s toys? It’s also no secret that China’s leads the world in IT theft, much of what comes out of the Chinese semiconductor industries is ripped off or blatantly stolen from other companies.

How could people with ignorant post like you try to convince other people in technology matters like aerospace?

Your knowledge about china's products obviously is limited to toys, while you need to learn and find fact that your country import a lot high tech from china.

 

[ptldM3]

That being said, It’s about time to bust “Israel high tech superpower” myth:

With more than 7 mio people and an average IQ of 92, Israel’s high IQers ( I assume here as >=135 entry level for Mensa, more or less capable of high tech research ) are about 130,000 under very optimistic normalisation. If we further roughly assume that only 30% of the figure fall into the working age, within which 30% (an EXTREMELY optimistic assumption) are directly dedicated in tech-related fields, we only have 11,000.

Deducted further high ranking functionaries and other that not in R&D field, Israel’s innovation-prone and functioning high tech brains are in their thousands : 8,000 to 10,000 max (in both civilian plus military tech), with assumptions as generous as almost unbelievable. Yes, Ashkenazis, allegedly ( for I've never seen ANY biological and genetical basis for that, nor studies done on very large samples to support the claim. Note: arbitragical Nobel Science Prize, or any Prize for a closely held circle judged by a tiny group of people, is far from a strict proxi for population avg IQ especially at this high level) have slightly higher IQ on average than the Han Chinese. But their impact is insignificant when the total populatuion is tiny.

In sheer contrast, with 1.3 B and an average IQ of 105, China’s high IQ pool (still>=135 here) is staggering 26 million even without any normalisation after which should be many more - 200X that of Israel. If 30% of which are within working age, and ONLY 2% (in contrast to Israel’s 30%) are in tech field R&D, still have >160,000.

So China have brains who are at the minimum 16X that of Israel in the right R&D positions capable of making high-tech breakthroughs , apart from the difference in the dual-used R&D budgets between the two that is at orders of magnitude.

Israel may be within top 10 military tech export nations in $ term, yet any suggestion that a significant portion of that are indigenous Israeli hence Israel is some sort of "smart high tech supwerpower" is absurd as illustrated in the aforementioned general brain power comparison.

Busted? The only thing i read was some incoherent rant about IQ. When you have valid points come back and debate but in the mean time stop posting nonsense.

Israel was one of the first in AESA? Gimme a break! AESA requires not only cutting edge theory, but also chips, machines to make chips, and collaboration of varies other high-caliber industrial achievements on which Israle is not near the top league. Israel being one of the first of ASEA is about in the same sense as Saudis, when they landed their hands on the first batch of US R&D and/or functioning products.

It’s called the ELTA Phalcon.

 

[antonius123]

Right all those, EW helicopter, transport helicopter, engines, air defence systems, ect have never been delivered right?



This is the dumbest thing i ever heard. The Virgilus is a unique system, even if China has the R&D it does not mean they have the capability or know how to come up with something similar. By your logic China should have the ability to create jet engines--oh wait they still import them.

The dumbest here is you..

Nobody said china has already had the capability in virgilius; try to discern other people's sentence properly, or do you have verbal problem?

R&D takes times, that china may not have ability to create engine / virgilus at this moment doesnt mean she will certainly fail to reach that capability

 

[ptldM3]

How could people with ignorant post like you try to convince other people in technology matters like aerospace?

Your knowledge about china's products obviously is limited to toys, while you need to learn and find fact that your country import a lot high tech from china.

The only one ignorant is you. Answer the question, if China has the cabability to produce something similar to the Virgilus than why does China still import engines for the jf-17? By your logic they should easly come up with something on their own because of their 'R&D'.

 

[ptldM3]

The dumbest here is you..

Nobody said china has already had the capability in virgilius; try to discern other people's sentence properly, or do you have verbal problem?

R&D takes times, that china may not have ability to create engine / virgilus at this moment doesnt mean she will certainly fail to reach that capability

You are a liar, this is what you said--and I quote:

China has r&d capability to develop so called Typhoon's virgilus ECM suit; someday Russia may buy it from china.

Now we know you are a liar.

 

[antonius123]

The only one ignorant is you. Answer the question, if China has the cabability to produce something similar to the Virgilus than why does China still import engines for the jf-17? By your logic they should easly come up with something on their own because of their 'R&D'.

My post just above yours has already replying to your typically verbal (reading) comprehension problem

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The dumbest here is you..

Nobody said china has already had the capability in virgilius; try to discern other people's sentence properly, or do you have verbal problem?

R&D takes times, that china may not have ability to create engine / virgilus at this moment doesnt mean she will certainly fail to reach that capability

 

[antonius123]

You are a liar, this is what you said--and I quote:



Now we know you are a liar.

Now it is confirmed that you have a severely verbal problem

China has R&D capability to develop space station, does it mean that she has already had space station?? do you understand what R&D capability means?

Cmon..... I dont need to teach language or basic logic here