Pathetic rant again,
Gremasyschy class is only upgrade of stereguschy class not different ship fool.
Compare ur useless type 56 corvette.The f-22p that china designates 'frigate'
Russian ships are more stealthier
Russia ordered upgraded kilo class as stopgap measure since lada failed,the same lada that ur navy buying
Even if they are completed around 2025 ur point?Russian tech is still miles ahead of chinese.
Chinese tech is so great that despite economic benefit offers,myanmar dumped latest 'super duper' j-10 and went for 'old' russian mig-29.FAIL.
Not imaginery but as usual u are a ignorant idiot.
Russia is undergoing massive modernization,It has stated armata will replace all existing tanks except late t-90,and equip upto 2300 tanks.
1) Once again, you are serving a lot of c-r-a-p, and you are calling other people names. It's funny, I just have to laugh, because you don't have any argument. You only reply to what you "can" reply to; which fits you - and even that is not even based on facts.
Let's start:
2) Stera-whatever class corvette is produced in extremely limited number, and Russians are not happy with them. Furthermore, once again, Algeria which has 190 billion USD reserves and which you called "poor", prefers Chinese and German frigates, and not your supah dupah 1800 tonn Stera-whatever class corvette from Russia.
Grema-whatever class which is an "upgrade" of Stera-whatever class corvette, is not even ready. Russia expect first of these corvettes to enter service in 2015, if that ever happens.
3) I know you hate F-22P frigates, which are by the way designed as "light frigates". It's because Pakistan is receiving them. China on the other hand does not use these light frigates since China already have 15 Type 054A stealthy frigates in service already. Another 3 are being built and 2 more will be built, total of 20. This will be done by 2015. Which means China will have 20 Type 054A stealth frigates in service by the time 1st Supah Dupah Grema-whatever class corvette has been commisioned. These are 4300 ton ships compared to your small corvettes.
Second of all, alongside Pakistan and Thailand, Algeria have ordered these frigates, clearly better than Supar Dupah 1800 ton Stera-whatever class corvette
Now, Thailand wants to buy 3 Type 054A stealthy frigates and is competing against the U.S. 3000 ton L-Combat Ship (LCS). Thailand seem to prefer 054A, since Thailand has already bought other earlier versions of Chinese frigates several years ago.
Jane's: China intends to Thailand export 3 054 the frigate (Figure) - Military News
This means most likely, that the model of even newer 054B frigate is ready around 2015. However, In contrast to you, I don't put much weight to imaginary projects which haven't been produced yet. Therefore I am rather pointing out that China has 15 054A already in service, and will have additional 3 in 2014, and additional 2 in 2015, total of 20. That is something we can be sure off, compared to Russians who are talking about lets say Admiral Gorskhov frigate which still does NOT have one single frigate operational.
2 Gorskhov frigates is being built as we speak, and is expected to be ready in 2015, LOL. 1 Grema-whatever class corvette is expected to be ready in 2015.
So to sum this up. 2 Gorskhov frigate and 1 Grema-corvette in 2015 will be ready VERSUS 20 Type 054A frigates, 6 Type 054C destroyers, and at least 4 Type 052D destroyers.
You still wanna do the numbers which ships are better, not to mention who has more of them 2013-2014-2015 timeline ?
Russia has planned up to 20 Gorskhov frigates. Do you seriously think Russia will be able to build that by 2020, when you look at the fact that 1st and 2nd frigate will be ready in 2014?
Here is your socalled "state-of-the-art" frigate; according once again to Russian sources, it wil WAY TO EXPENCIVE.
State-of-the-art frigates too expensive for Russia - English pravda.ru
What has Russia done to compensate for SLOW and EXPENCIVE building? Russia has gone to Admiral Grigorovich-class frigate which is LIGHTER than Gorskhov-class frigate. That means Russia is going BACK on building ships, while PLANs ships are getting stealthier, bigger, more armed and advances and more in numbers.
So by 2015, Russias fleet of new ships will be 3 Grigorovich-class frigates (3850 ton), 2 Gorkhov frigates (4500 ton) and 1 Grema-whatever class corvette (2200 ton)
VERSUS
20 Type 054A frigates (4300 ton), 6 Type 052C destroyers (7000 ton), at least 4 052D destroyers (7500-7800 ton)
And you are sitting here and telling us that "Russian ships are soooooo amazing" and sooo much stealthier and sooooooo much better armed, LMAO.
So please keep whining about how "useless" Type 056 corvette is, while we are building 054A, soon 054B and 052C and 052D destroyers. I am sure you were laughing when we produced 84 Type 022 missile boats which pack 8 anti-ship missiles each, total of 672 anti-ship missiles on those 84 stealth missile boats. However missile boats nor 056 corvettes are the back of our navy as we speak. It's 054A and soon 054B, 052C and 052D against your Supah Dupah Gorskhov and Grigorovich-class frigates that are not even operational, LOL.
4) Yeah, Russia is building Improved Kilo-class for themselves because Russia doesn't have any! LOL. That's funny, because all Improved Kilo-class subs are after all exported to other countries.
I am not sure it helps the Russian Navy bragging about Improved Kilo-class SSK when they have 0 Improved Kilo-class subs and is sitting only with old Kilo-class subs with highly questionable combat readiness. China on the other hand has 12 Improved Kilo-class subs. India har only 5 Improved Kilo-class subs, and 5 standard Kilo-class subs.
Algeria which you called poor and showed your low intelligence, has 4 Improved Kilo-class subs now, and Vietnam which is poor will even have 6 of them by 2017.
It doesn't help much for the Russian Navy when they have 0 today, does it? LOL.
There is NO deal for Lada-class yet. If there is, it is going to be joint-project between Russia and China. Rumor about buying Su-35 has been on since 2008.
Once again, point is Russia itself failed to produce Lada-class by themselves, and China is NOT buying anything that Russia can't even produce for their customer. I really don't know where you head is, but it is definitely not on your shoulders.
J-10 was never in competition in Myanmar - however, China has sold older frigates to Myanmar which Myanmar wanted, and they got them. Now Thailand will most likely get a lot bigger and better frigates from China, where China will most likely win over the U.S. counterpart in Thailand.
So the only FAIL here, must be your lies which you present time and time, hoping no one will call you out, while you are calling others for idiot. I will refrain from calling you that, since I can't stop laughing here, and it is highly questionable why I even am replying to you. It's more to show everyone how you lie - people might start believing your fantasies, but I don't have much time to waste either way, so this is my last reply to your lies and name calling.
6) Once again, imaginary stuff just as LMFS. Russia "stating". I think I have already produced more than enough evidence, when Russia is "stating something" it always comes out very late, more expencive than planned and in small numbers.
The same thing about "wonderful" T-50 that will be owned by the majority of other countries, and not by Russia itself. 200 for Russia, and more than 750-800 for other countries, LOL.
Just as you stated that T-50 will be ready in 2015, back in 2010. Now it's in 2016, and many are saying 2017.
Just as you stated that India will buy 200 of these, now it's 144.
Just as Russian sources stated that China will buy up to 100 T-50 only months before J-20 and J-31 were revealed. Now China will buy ZERO T-50.
Now, once again, Russia is "stating" that this MBT will be ready in 2015 and that 2300 units will be produced by 2020, which is total BS. Russia is claiming faster production rate than the U.S. in another words, for a product that is supposed to be even better than M1A2 Abrams. Don't make me laugh, seriously.
Russia might produce Armata in 2015. But the numbers Russia is operating with should be adjusted, such as taking a number 0 away of the original number. I think 230 units might be more realistic, and not 2300.
So far everyone know that you are bragging about wonderful Russian weapons such as:
1) T-90 MBT
2) Improved Kilo-class SSK
3) Su-30
4) Su-35
5) T-50
Yet, number 1, 2, 3 and 4 on my list is owned in majority by other countries, while there are very few T-90 in Russian Armed Forces, ZERO Improved Kilo-class subs, no more than 6 or 10 Su-30 and barely introducing Su-35 which you clearly alongside T-50 also plan selling majority of total production numbers to other countries.
I am sure in a case of conflict, it counts a lot for Russian Armed Forces knowing that while other countries have T-90, Improved Kilo-class subs, Su-30 and soon Su-35, the Russians would have to fight today with old Kilo-class SSK, majority of their tanks being old T-72, 200 of their 291 MiG-29 CAN'T even fly and who knows how many of those Su-27 can fly too.
While Russia is towards modernization throughout 2025 and having all these plans on the paper, China is already ahead, and you also think China will sit still from 2013-2025, right?
Right, LOL.
I wish you luck with your 2 Gorskhov class frigates in 2015, alongside 3 Grigorovich and 1 Supah Dupah Gre-whatever class corvette.
And we will have fun having our 20 Type 054A frigates, 6 Type 052C and 4 Type 052D by 2015, alongside not only 12 Improved Kilo-class subs but also 14-15 Song-class SSK and 8 + Yuan/Improved Yuan class SSK, total of more than 34-35 SSK.
