China accused of genocide over forced abortions of Uighur Muslim women

[damm1t]

China blocked PDF in China, now we have to use VPN to access.

Lol, typical. If there is some bitter-truth about China somewhere, China blocks it. If China would be right let people stay and debate.

 

[ARMalik]

You're saying nothing of substance, you have not refuted any of the video evidences or other testimonies in any way. Also using a smiley face doesn't lend your argument any weight nor make you look any better, smart arse.

It is not a 'smiley' face, it is a 'laughing face' meaning I am laughing at you. Refute "Video Evidence" .... do you even realise that such videos are "staged"? Why do you think even today Hollywood can make movies of Wild West of 1800's? Because these can be staged. A perfect example of this are the "White Helmets" in Syria. Here is a link to what these bastar.ds did in Syria.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/video-who-are-the-white-helmets-fake-news-and-staged-rescues/5663906

Video: Who Are the White Helmets? Fake News and Staged Rescues
Maxim Grigoriev of the “Foundation for the Study of Democracy”, discussed this and other findings gleaned from interviews with numerous individuals, including former terrorists, in Syria, during a video-taped presentation entitled, “Roundtable Discussion on the Middle East Issues: Activities of the White Helmets Organization in Syria” under UN auspices.
One interview subject, Omar Al-Mustafa — who wanted to be a White Helmet but wasn’t accepted because he wasn’t al Nusra Front (al Qaeda) — recounted the following:

“People evacuated by the White Helmets often did not come back alive. For example, a person receives a minor injury, is rescued, evacuated, and then brought back with their stomach cut open and with their internal organs missing. I heard that a little girl was injured. They took her to Turkey and brought back in three days, dead and with no internal organs. People were scared. When someone got injured, they were afraid to call the White Helmets and ask for help.”

Additionally, the Director-General of Syria’s Coroner’s Office, Houssein Noufel, reported in November, 2016, that body organs from 15,000 Syrians were sold over the course of six years. [1]

A litany of crimes committed by the White Helmets is documented in the video below.

Grigoriev’s findings, presented at the U.N, are consistent with previous on-the ground investigations, including those of pioneering investigative journalist Vanessa Beeley (also featured in the Roundtable presentation), and Prof. Tim Anderson.

In October, 2017, locals told Prof. Tim Anderson that the building pictured below had been used for organ trafficking.

Equally disturbing, however, is that Western agencies, including Amnesty International, Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, and Western media, use the White Helmets as sources for their stories.

A U.K document entitled, “Syria Resilience CSSF Programme Study” states, in reference to the White Helmets, which it names Syrian Civil Defence (SCD),

Syria: The White Helmets Are Terrorist Auxiliaries
“In addition to service delivery, SCD provide an invaluable reporting and advocacy role, being nominated again this year for the Nobel Peace Prize. Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International have stated that SCD are their most routinely reliable source for reporting. Throughout the bombardment by Russia since September 2015, SCD has provided essential corroboration that strikes were not targeting Da’esh but moderate opposition entities. This has provided confidence to statements made by UK and other international leaders made in condemnation of Russian actions.”

Amply documented, the “news” that the White Helmets report to Amnesty, SOHR, and myriad government sources, consists of fake news and staged rescues. Consider these screen grabs from the above video on UNWeb TV:

 

[Strike!]

It is not a 'smiley' face, it is a 'laughing face' meaning I am laughing at you. Refute "Video Evidence" .... do you even realise that such videos are "staged"? Why do you think even today Hollywood can make movies of Wild West of 1800's? Because these can be staged. A perfect example of this are the "White Helmets" in Syria. Here is a link to what these bastar.ds did in Syria.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/video-who-are-the-white-helmets-fake-news-and-staged-rescues/5663906

Video: Who Are the White Helmets? Fake News and Staged Rescues
Maxim Grigoriev of the “Foundation for the Study of Democracy”, discussed this and other findings gleaned from interviews with numerous individuals, including former terrorists, in Syria, during a video-taped presentation entitled, “Roundtable Discussion on the Middle East Issues: Activities of the White Helmets Organization in Syria” under UN auspices.
One interview subject, Omar Al-Mustafa — who wanted to be a White Helmet but wasn’t accepted because he wasn’t al Nusra Front (al Qaeda) — recounted the following:

“People evacuated by the White Helmets often did not come back alive. For example, a person receives a minor injury, is rescued, evacuated, and then brought back with their stomach cut open and with their internal organs missing. I heard that a little girl was injured. They took her to Turkey and brought back in three days, dead and with no internal organs. People were scared. When someone got injured, they were afraid to call the White Helmets and ask for help.”

Additionally, the Director-General of Syria’s Coroner’s Office, Houssein Noufel, reported in November, 2016, that body organs from 15,000 Syrians were sold over the course of six years. [1]

A litany of crimes committed by the White Helmets is documented in the video below.

Grigoriev’s findings, presented at the U.N, are consistent with previous on-the ground investigations, including those of pioneering investigative journalist Vanessa Beeley (also featured in the Roundtable presentation), and Prof. Tim Anderson.

In October, 2017, locals told Prof. Tim Anderson that the building pictured below had been used for organ trafficking.

Equally disturbing, however, is that Western agencies, including Amnesty International, Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, and Western media, use the White Helmets as sources for their stories.

A U.K document entitled, “Syria Resilience CSSF Programme Study” states, in reference to the White Helmets, which it names Syrian Civil Defence (SCD),

Syria: The White Helmets Are Terrorist Auxiliaries
“In addition to service delivery, SCD provide an invaluable reporting and advocacy role, being nominated again this year for the Nobel Peace Prize. Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International have stated that SCD are their most routinely reliable source for reporting. Throughout the bombardment by Russia since September 2015, SCD has provided essential corroboration that strikes were not targeting Da’esh but moderate opposition entities. This has provided confidence to statements made by UK and other international leaders made in condemnation of Russian actions.”

Amply documented, the “news” that the White Helmets report to Amnesty, SOHR, and myriad government sources, consists of fake news and staged rescues. Consider these screen grabs from the above video on UNWeb TV:

Using a well known conspiracy theory website to support your argument, nice job. Also has nothing to do with the current issue. Another false comparison. Try again.

You are using the laughing or smiley face as a common internet practice to deride my argument when your argument has weak or little standing. Try again.

 

[beijingwalker]

Lol, typical. If there is some bitter-truth about China somewhere, China blocks it. If China would be right let people stay and debate.

Turkey shuts off internet service in 11 Kurdish cities
The shutdown affects 6 million citizens and comes amid protests over the detention of one city's mayors, Turkey Blocks reports.

Nearly a quarter of a million websites blocked in Turkey in five years – report
On Jul 3, 2019
https://ipa.news/2019/07/03/nearly-...sites-blocked-in-turkey-in-five-years-report/

 

[mike2000 is back]

the authenticity of the videos & the sources behind the videos is in question...a BIG question. The same kinda sources that were crying body murder snot the Iraqi wmds. only a retarded rat would take them seriously after the Iraqi stunt...

To be fair, VICE NEWS does investigative journalism and reports in every country on the planet (western ones included). I have seen many of their reports about unusual issues I didn't even know about in many western countries. Will you also claim all those reports are false?
I believe it all depends on the extent to which such abuses happens. However, it does seem there's some sort of abuse, however to which extent we don't know.

 

[damm1t]

Turkey shuts off internet service in 11 Kurdish cities
The shutdown affects 6 million citizens and comes amid protests over the detention of one city's mayors, Turkey Blocks reports.

Nearly a quarter of a million websites blocked in Turkey in five years – report
On Jul 3, 2019
https://ipa.news/2019/07/03/nearly-...sites-blocked-in-turkey-in-five-years-report/

Lol I am chatting with a friend in Eastern of Turkey, who is a Kurd, guess what! He has internet What a coincidence. Then, there is no such a thing as Kurdish cities in Turkey but there are cities of Turkey.

No need to be genious to understand when PKK orginese riot, shutting off the internet is the first thing to do "temporarily" in order to calm the fewer.

As a third, what the hell is that IPA News?

 

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The women have found refuge from Chinese authorities across the border in Kazakhstan, their ancestral homeland. But they remain haunted by the stories of abuse they carry with them.

Some said they were forced to undergo abortions in China’s Muslim-majority province of Xinjiang, others that they had contraceptive devices implanted against their will while in detention.

One reported being raped. Many said they were subjected to sexual humiliation, from being filmed in the shower to having their intimate parts rubbed with chili paste.

The allegations come as China expands a years-long crackdown on its Muslim minority, which includes not only Uighurs but also Kazakhs and other ethnic groups.

While the experiences described could not be independently verified, local rights groups and lawyers say they are common and reveal a wider pattern of abuse directed specifically against women, aimed at curbing their ability to reproduce.

In December 2017, Gulzira Mogdyn, a 38-year-old ethnic Kazakh and Chinese citizen, was detained in Xinjiang after a visit to Kazakhstan because WhatsApp was found on her phone.

She was placed under house arrest and examined by doctors at a nearby clinic, who discovered she was 10 weeks pregnant.

Officials told her she was not allowed to have what would be her fourth child. The following month, Ms Mogdyn said, doctors “cut my foetus out” without using anaesthesia. She still suffers from complications.

“Two humans were lost in this tragedy – my baby and me,” Ms Mogdyn said during an interview on the outskirts of Almaty, Kazakhstan’s largest city.

She received her Kazakh citizenship in July and says that has emboldened her to speak out. She is also pressing Beijing for a response: either financial compensation or, at least, an apology.

Others are still constrained. A Kazakh woman with close relatives remaining in China was forced to undergo two abortions, in 2016 and 2017, while living in Xinjiang, her lawyer said.

Aiman Umarova, a Kazakh human rights advocate and US State Department honouree, said her client is seeking refuge in a Kazakh city and does not wish to be identified for fear of retribution.

Ms Umarova sees the women’s stories as forming a pattern.

“Sexually violating women, including stopping them from reproducing, has become a weapon for China against its Muslim population,” she said.

The US government and human rights groups estimate that between one million and three million Muslims have been detained in Chinese “re-education camps” since 2017, most of them Uighurs.

The Washington Post spoke with two men, including an Australian citizen named Almas Nizamidin, who suspect that their wives, both Uighurs still in detention in Xinjiang, were forced to terminate their pregnancies at a camp in 2017.

Under China’s one-child policy, abortions and contraceptives were encouraged – and often enforced – by officials tasked with keeping the population down. Exceptions were granted for ethnic minorities, who were allowed one more child than Han Chinese.

The policy was abandoned three years ago, but that has not prevented the recent move to curb ethnic populations, said Leta Hong Fincher, a scholar and expert on gender equality in China. “There is a clear tightening of control over the reproductive rights of ethnic minorities,” she said.

In addition to mistreating detained women, rights groups and experts say Beijing has pursued a campaign to erase Muslim culture in Xinjiang, by pushing interethnic marriages and sending Chinese officials for “home stays” with Muslim families, part of efforts by president Xi Jinping’s government to assimilate ethnic minorities.

All of this amounts to genocide as laid out by the UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, said Rushan Abbas, founder and executive director of the Washington-based Campaign for Uyghurs.

“And as with so much in Chinese culture, women are being targeted, as they are viewed as less valuable,” said Ms Abbas, who said her sister was abducted in Xinjiang a year ago and has not been heard from since.

Some allegations extend further back. After the Urumqi riots in 2009, which analysts say triggered the harsh security measures now in place across Xinjiang, Islamic studies student Ruqiye Perhat was held in various prisons for four years.

There, the Uighur woman says, she was repeatedly raped by Han Chinese guards, resulting in two pregnancies.

“Any woman or man under age 35 was raped and sexually abused,” she said through an interpreter from Turkey, where she now lives. Both pregnancies were forcibly aborted while she was in prison, said Ms Perhat, who is now 30.

Several female former detainees said they suspect that when younger and unmarried women were taken from their packed cells at night – to be returned the next morning or not at all – they were raped by guards.

“They’d come in and put bags on the heads of the ones they wanted,” said Gulzira Auelkhan, a 40-year-old woman in the Kazakh village of Akshi who spent 18 months in the camps.

In May, an open letter written by a former guard at a Xinjiang camp appeared to support the women’s claims. His account, which was posted by activists, has not been independently verified.

The ethnic Kazakh man, called Berik, said Chinese officers would watch women in their cells through a monitor before selecting one to take out. “There are two tables in the kitchen, one for snacks and liquor, and the other for ‘doing things’,” he wrote.

Other women contacted by The Washington Post described widespread sexual harassment at the camps, echoing public comments last month by Sayragul Sauytbay, an ethnic Kazakh woman wanted by China for disclosing information about the camps. Kazakhstan allowed her to resettle in Sweden in June.

Several said they were forced to shower and use the toilet in groups, in rooms outfitted with cameras. Ms Auelkhan said female guards used chewing gum to pull on her pubic hair. Married women offered conjugal visits were ordered to swallow unknown pills afterward.

Ground chili peppers mixed with water in small glass jars were given to several women before showering. Once naked, they were ordered by female guards to smear the liquid on their genitals.

“It burned like fire,” one woman recalled.

Asked to respond to the allegations, China’s Foreign Affairs Ministry referred The Washington Post to a government paper released last month on plans to combat terrorism through education and training, including a section on “protecting trainees’ basic rights”.

“You wouldn’t raise such questions if you had carefully read the white paper,” the ministry said in a faxed response.

In July, when the United States was in the middle of a trade war with China, secretary of state Mike Pompeo called Beijing’s treatment of Uighurs “the stain of the century”. But elsewhere, the response has been tepid. Even Muslim-majority countries have stood by China.

Kazakhstan’s government has been among those hesitant to condemn the abuses attributed to its powerful eastern neighbour.

The country’s stability and resources have earned it the moniker of “buckle” of Mr Xi’s flagship Belt and Road infrastructure initiative, and Beijing’s affluent reach is visible in Kazakh cities.

But activists say Kazakhstan’s reluctance to upset China could be changing given the deluge of information coming out of Xinjiang, which is home to some 1.5 million Kazakhs.

Former detainees now living in tumbledown villages dotted about the golden steppe on the Kazakh side of the border are increasingly speaking out, even those with relatives in China.

“I didn’t want to talk about this for a long time. But if I don’t, who will?” said Rakhima Senbay, 32, standing in her friend’s house near the town of Taldykorgan. Although still a Chinese citizen, she has called Kazakhstan home since she was released from a camp late last year.

Shortly after Ms Senbay, who has four children, was detained in Xinjiang in late 2017, also for having WhatsApp on her phone, a female Chinese doctor forcibly fitted her with an intrauterine contraceptive device.

“I told her I didn’t want it, but she said it’s a must for all women going to the camp,” Ms Senbay said.

Gulzhan, a Kazakh activist who uses only her first name, said seven women have told her the same thing happened to them.

“That’s since I started four months ago,” she said. “Imagine how many more are out there.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...abortions-sexual-abuse-genocide-a9144721.html

This exaggerating fake news is insulting the whole Muslim community, they are assuming Muslims would believe it.

To be fair, VICE NEWS does investigative journalism and reports in every country on the planet (western ones included). I have seen many of their reports about unusual issues I didn't even know about in many western countries. Will you also claim all those reports are false?
I believe it all depends on the extent to which such abuses happens. However, it does seem there's some sort of abuse, however to which extent we don't know.

Not all news from CNN are fake, but they will consume their credit when needed.

 

[ARMalik]

You're saying nothing of substance, you have not refuted any of the video evidences or other testimonies in any way. Also using a smiley face doesn't lend your argument any weight nor make you look any better, smart arse.

Again if you refuse to pull your finger out of your arse and listen to 'logic', then there is nothing I can do to convince you. You have already decided that every website that you don't LIKE, you think is 'Fake', and every website you 'Like' you think is 'Authentic'. Here is another example of why White Helmets is a foreign funded terror organisation.

https://www.rt.com/news/469722-syria-terrorist-caves-white-helmets/
RT tours fortified caves in Syria where terrorists planned assaults, made drones & filmed fake chemical attack videos

The Syrian Army has discovered a huge cave network near the recently liberated city of Khan Sheikhoun, a former terrorist stronghold in Idlib. RT has been given exclusive access to the sophisticated underground fortress.
Some 3,500 terrorists were holed up in the caves before their defeat in August. They turned their underground shelter, which covered 10,000 square meters, into a stronghold from which they could operate autonomously. Numerous crates with ammunition and weapons, including what appears to be American TOW anti-tank missiles, still remain abandoned in the tunnels.

Besides the command center and cages for prisoners, the caves also hosted a drone factory that produced UAVs for surveillance missions and the delivery of bombs. Some of the drones made there were so advanced that they could reach a height of 4,000 meters and cover distances of up to 150km.

Also among the discoveries was an underground hospital. The Syrian Army said that the medical facility was not only used to treat wounded fighters, but served as a movie set as well. Damascus says the makeshift studio is where the infamous Western-backed aid group, the White Helmets, filmed the video of a fake chemical attack in Khan Sheikhoun in 2017.

 

[Ultima Thule]

These two incidents have nothing to do with each other, the war in Iraq has nothing to do with the persecution of Uighurs. You are making a false comparison, you cannot use it as an example to refute every single piece of information reported in the future. Please grow up.

That show they always told lies, and propagandize against any enemy, posting a fake news @Strike!

 

[ARMalik]

Now Hong Kong, look how the videos and the images have been doctored. In fact some of the protests took place in 'South Korea' rather than HK.

 

[Ultima Thule]

You're saying nothing of substance, you have not refuted any of the video evidences or other testimonies in any way. Also using a smiley face doesn't lend your argument any weight nor make you look any better, smart arse.

You claiming that Chinese are currently genocide and so you have to provide a proofs for that @Strike!

 

[Strike!]

Again if you refuse to pull your finger out of your arse and listen to 'logic', then there is nothing I can do to convince you. You have already decided that every website that you don't LIKE, you think is 'Fake', and every website you 'Like' you think is 'Authentic'. Here is another example of why White Helmets is a foreign funded terror organisation.

https://www.rt.com/news/469722-syria-terrorist-caves-white-helmets/
RT tours fortified caves in Syria where terrorists planned assaults, made drones & filmed fake chemical attack videos

The Syrian Army has discovered a huge cave network near the recently liberated city of Khan Sheikhoun, a former terrorist stronghold in Idlib. RT has been given exclusive access to the sophisticated underground fortress.
Some 3,500 terrorists were holed up in the caves before their defeat in August. They turned their underground shelter, which covered 10,000 square meters, into a stronghold from which they could operate autonomously. Numerous crates with ammunition and weapons, including what appears to be American TOW anti-tank missiles, still remain abandoned in the tunnels.

Besides the command center and cages for prisoners, the caves also hosted a drone factory that produced UAVs for surveillance missions and the delivery of bombs. Some of the drones made there were so advanced that they could reach a height of 4,000 meters and cover distances of up to 150km.

Also among the discoveries was an underground hospital. The Syrian Army said that the medical facility was not only used to treat wounded fighters, but served as a movie set as well. Damascus says the makeshift studio is where the infamous Western-backed aid group, the White Helmets, filmed the video of a fake chemical attack in Khan Sheikhoun in 2017.

Any website I don't like? You are peddling news from sites that have a well known history of selling fake news.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...a-disinformation-rt-nuanced-online-ofcom-fine

Anyways, this has nothing to do with the Uighur crisis in the current thread. Kindly take your bullshit to whatever relevant thread you want to.

 

[LeGenD]

you have failed to answer why aren't you able to recognize that the ones whining about China right now are the same ones who cried bloody murder about the Iraqi wmds.

FYI: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...t/us-casualties-of-iraq-chemical-weapons.html

Can this argument be put to rest now?

In no way or form, American acts of aggression justify Chinese. Two wrongs do not make it right.

Now Hong Kong, look how the videos and the images have been doctored. In fact some of the protests took place in 'South Korea' rather than HK.

LMAO

Since when is RT the beacon of truth? RT is Russian version of ARY. RT is answerable to higher ups in Moscow - it has to toe Moscow's line....

 

[beijingwalker]

And you are criticising India in every forum is not bashing?

I guess it is, but now I post much less posts against India. I don't think I m deserved to be called an India basher.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Lol, typical. If there is some bitter-truth about China somewhere, China blocks it. If China would be right let people stay and debate.

This is the wrong strategy and supports Western propaganda that China is trying to hide something.

Until China begins to think like US and Russia, they will be very far behind in the media war.

Whole world is looking for answers right now, this is the golden chance to give proof of innocence.