China: Abusing history?

[NiceGuy]

in 1974 and in 1988 both south and north Vietnams had treaty superpower allies,but now Vietnam may have a couple of moral supporters,but treaty allies no more.and in those old times China was very poor,poorer than south Vietnam.but things changed a lot since then,you know what I mean.

Not changing so much, you still beg for Japan ODA , your fellow also refused to donate to your best friend bcz you have so many poor to take care of.

You still damn poor and your weapon suck, bro

 

[beijingwalker]

You could rob our island bcz you had US support . if not You never could take our island when South VN have protection from US Seven fleet

haha,where the hell you got that idea??? CCP and Taiwan(close close ally of US then) had many sea conflicts and Ccp even took Hainan island,US only like to talk but never like to act once China is involved.you get any links to back what you said??

 

[NiceGuy]

haha,where the hell you got that idea??? CCP and Taiwan(close close ally of US then) had many sea conflicts and Ccp even took Hainan island,US only like to talk but never like to act once China is involved.you get any links to back what you said??

So why did you have to wait until 1974, when US abandoned S.VN to attack our island ??why dare not you attack before that ??

 

[beijingwalker]

Not changing so much, you still beg for Japan ODA
You still damn poor and your weapon suck, bro

haha,then how come the world come to China to beg for money,why didnt they go tho Vietnam to ask,your GDP is less than 3%of China's,hahahaha,so ,who is dirty poor poor country.and ODA is the money Japanese owes us,we were so generous to them for not pushing them so hard for their ware reparation,and they still owe us at least 30 billion dollars.

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So why did you have to wait until 1974, when US abandoned S.VN to attack our island ??why dare not you attack before that ??

the whole world knows why US lost the war,it was because of China.and the whole world knows what China was doing at that time;Trying our best to help you ingrates,big mistake though.we feed $20 billion to a snake.

 

[NiceGuy]

haha,then how come the world come to China to beg for money,why didnt they go tho Vietnam to ask,your GDP is less than 3%of China's,hahahaha,so ,who is dirty poor poor country.and ODA is the money Japanese owes us,we were so generous to them for not pushing them so hard for their ware reparation,and they still owe us at least 30 billion dollars.[C

Ok, if you're so rich, so why did you refuse your best friend's request when they need more donation form you ?/why your fellow said you still have many poor to take care ??

the whole world knows why US lost the war,it was because of China.and the whole world knows what China was doing at that time;Trying our best to help you ingrates,big mistake though.we feed $20 billion to a snake.

BCz of CHina ?? don't make me laugh , did you have any kind of weapon that can counter US jamming and B-52 that time ??or you only had a Big mouth to brag about 'Victory' even after got defeated in 1979 ???

 

[anon45]

Get your fact right, china never been colonised by japan or the west completely stop talking bs. Vietnam on the other hand was completely colonised by China and france.

For all intents and purposes China's culture was colonized by the West, even if not by blood. The only thing that saved China from being carved up into actual spheres of influence was the US pushing against such with its idea of an open door policy.

 

[beijingwalker]

Ok, if you're so rich, so why did you refuse your best friend's request when they need more donation form you ?/why your fellow said you still have many poor to take care ??

BCz of CHina ?? don't make me laugh , did you have any kind of weapon that can counter US jamming and B-52 that time ??or you only had a Big mouth to brag about 'Victory' even after got defeated in 1979 ???

haha,1979 we won a clear war in every aspects,you want to recount every details again?how about i start a new thread on this issue.

as for helping poor guys like you,China now surpassed World Bank providing fund and loans for developing countries.

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For all intents and purposes China's culture was colonized by the West, even if not by blood. The only thing that saved China from being carved up into actual spheres of influence was the US pushing against such with its idea of an open door policy.

Vietnam even use Chinese names and celebrate Chinese traditional holidays,that's called culture colonization.haha

 

[lamlap]

Vietnam is a poor country with OVER 20% INFLATION

HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

 

[beijingwalker]

If not for China,Vietnam would've been overrun by US in days.but China also learned a lesson of not supporting ingrates,when should really be on the south side during the war.

Chinese Support for North Vietnam during the Vietnam War: The Decisive Edge

Military History Online - Chinese Support for North Vietnam during the Vietnam War: The Decisive Edge

by Bob Seals

Military History Online - Chinese Support for North Vietnam during the Vietnam War: The Decisive Edge

“Best turn it into a bigger war…I’m afraid you really ought to send more troops to the South…Don’t be afraid of U.S. intervention, at most it’s no worse than having another Korean War. The Chinese army is prepared, and if America takes the risk of attacking North Vietnam, the Chinese army will march in at once. Our troops want a war now.”[1]
-- Mao speaking to the North Vietnamese in 1964

So why did the powerful modern nations of France and the United States lose two wars in Vietnam to a third rate military power like North Vietnam? This is the logical question that many historians have asked and attempted to answer since the Second Vietnam War ended in April 1975 with the fall of Saigon to North Vietnamese tanks.

This Chinese military support, to include equipment, advisors and planning assistance, provided from 1949-1975, would prove in both the First and Second Indochina Wars to be decisive. This substantial military support would give the People‘s Army of Vietnam an edge to resist Western forces and eventually subjugate the Republic of South Vietnam. This support, for various reasons, has never really been acknowledged by most popular histories of the conflict. This is perhaps due to the fact that such acknowledgement of the massive Chinese military support provided challenges many cherished myths of Vietnamese Communist military brilliance and the “heroic struggle” against overwhelming western imperialists. Two recent histories bear this out. Case in point A Military History of China, edited by David A. Graff makes no mention of Chinese support for Vietnam while Bruce A. Elleman’s Modern Chinese Warfare, 1795-1989, dismisses Chinese support in a mere two sentences.[3] However, unless this decisive Chinese support is properly understood by students of both Vietnam wars the answer to the question of why North Vietnam won will remain incomplete and misunderstood. This paper will attempt to outline the Chinese communist support in both wars and explain exactly why this support was so decisive.
China communist Party and North Vietnam power signed up agreements about PLA sent troops to Vietnam fight against American imperialist in 1965. At the same year, PLA send air defensive missile force, air defensive artillery, engineering force, railways troops, sweep mine team and shipping fleet and so on support North Vietnam. And carried on battle and supported tasks.
Chia total sent 320,000 troops to support North Vietnam until 1968 March, At the same time, China provided numerous military equipments and battle supplies. Include 170 planes, 140 ships and 500 tanks, 16000 trucks, cannon 37000, 2.16 millions guns ,bullets and shells add up to 12800 millions. In additional to these, and trained 6000 persons and technologists, through Vietnam war ,China gave an huge human power, finance, substance assistances for North Vietnam, count in supplies equality more the 20 billion dollars.

 

[lamlap]

Vietnam is shorter than Chinese too

hehehehehehehehe

 

[beijingwalker]

the biggest blunder China made-helped and fed a ungrateful snake.

 

[beijingwalker]

If not for China,Vietnam would've been overrun by US in days.but China also learned a lesson of not supporting ingrates,when should really be on the south side during the war.

over 1400 PLA soldiers died helping ungrateful Vietnamese fighting US invasion in Vietnam.what a waste.

 

[NiceGuy]

haha,1979 we won a clear war in every aspects,you want to recount every details again?how about i start a new thread on this issue.

as for helping poor guys like you,China now surpassed World Bank providing fund and loans for developing countries.

You attacked VN bcz you wanted to save Pol Pot, right ? and you failed , we didn't need to use our regular forces to fight aganst you. PLA could not defeat our women and militia

And stop lying about how 'rich'you are with your brazen face , your friend need donation , so why did you refuse to help ,bro ??

China is still a developing country, with a low per capita income. We can't just give out "charity" like the Westerners can.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/econom...illion-us-but-doesnt-pay-dime-pak-govt-2.html

over 1400 PLA soldiers died helping ungrateful Vietnamese fighting US invasion in Vietnam.what a waste.

We did not request them to fight for VN. We had to punish a communist traitor after that too, you must feel lucky with VN mercy to you, bcz we refuse USSR order to kick your azz

 

[beijingwalker]

China Surpasses World Bank for Development Loans
2011 January 20
China Surpasses World Bank for Development Loans | Access To Action

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West continues to help China win new friends in Africa

By MUKHISA KITUYI
Posted Saturday, November 5 2011 at 20:00

This past week, the US Senate Foreign Relations African Affairs subcommittee held a session on China’s role in Africa and its implications for US policy.

The committee chairman, Senator Chris Coons, set the tempo of the meeting with his observation that while China overwhelmingly invested in prestigious infrastructure projects, US was concentrating on the less visible projects like fighting malaria and HIV/Aids.

“We may be winning the war on disease while losing the battle for hearts and minds in Africa,” he said. For some time now, the West has been wondering how to stem the rising profile of China in Africa and the related decline of Western influence.

The news that China has overtaken the US as the single largest trading partner of Africa over the past two years does not help matters either.

The usual banter about China embracing repressive regimes and Western emphasis on open society ever yielding diminishing friends recurred at every turn.

The West continues to be confounded by why governments they help around Africa continue to tilt towards China. How the African intelligentsia, overwhelmingly educated in the West and major consumers of Western cultural products like movies, music and lifestyles appear to have their heads turned to a China whose language and habits are profoundly alien to them.

Many good arguments about strategy have been made. But one little matter appears to elude the eye of Western analysts. Africa craves a respect China offers that the West does not.

Most Africans appreciate Western technology and ingenuity. Yet a perverse expectation that Africans will be friends on the basis of gifts and mutual embrace of Western habits is ill-advised.

The Sino-Africa conference on trade and development is the masterpiece of Chinese trade diplomacy with Africa.

For this parley, China brings together the largest gathering of African presidents to meet the top leaders of China and discuss the premier frontiers of aid and investment for the coming years.

Each head of state has a brief photo session with the hosts, and country-specific programmes are announced. Every leader feels appreciated.

The African Growth and Opportunity Act (Agoa) is a law setting out a basket of preferential market access for African exports to the US.

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Western media tries their best to play off China against Pakistan,haha,but we are the only people that know how well we helped each other,and we dont have to let the whole world know the details of what we have been doing together.

 

[I was in the frontier]

already happened in 1974 and 1988.if situation doesnt get improved,it's very likely to happen again.In 1974 the South Vietnam ally US and in 1988 the North Vietnam ally USSR both did nothing but standing by watching Vietnamese warships burn and sink.and now Vietnam has no treaty allies anymore,so dont count on world powers,they are never reliable,history again and agian proved that,you have to rely on yourself.

when you evoke the 1974 and 1988 with pride,, all of us know that this is an invasion.