China: Abusing history?

[NiceGuy]

It was "discovered" that there is no claim to sovereignty. The South China Sea is completely different, because the Chinese Tang dynasty, there is a formal record of the sovereign, not "discovered" that if you want to compare the "discovery", HAN has found recorded in the South China Sea, but still there is no "sovereignty" recorded in the HAN. If you just say HAN, I agree with it.

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Do you think if I have a empty house, you occupy it, it is yours? Even if the owner was not at home? If this is Vietnam's logic, no problem no, we can use it, as long as the occupation, it belongs to me, right ?

But you did not send troop to protect, so you lost , there is No rule on Earth accept your territory base on your record .

UK recorded America belong to UK too, but she could not protect it, so she lost , and now, she can not claim that America belong to UK , bcz the world we have No rule for that.

Do you think if there have a empty house, you occupy it, it is yours? Even if the owner was not at home? If this is Vietnam's logic, no problem , we can use it, as long as the occupation, it belongs to me, right ?

We do every thing base on the rule of the World, if you feel UNSC rule is unfair, so withdraw from UNSC and live with your own rule

 

[beijingwalker]

all the old document and books were written in Chinese in Vietnam,lost the language and they lost a big part of their ancient culture.now they can not even understand what their ancestors left for them,what a shame.but at least Vietnamese still keep Chinese names and still celebrate Chinese traditional holidays.

 

[huzihaidao12]

I can not look at that map, any connection?

 

[huzihaidao12]

But you did not send troop to protect, so you lost , there is No rule on Earth accept your territory base on your record . UK recorded America belong to UK too, but she could not protect it, so she lost.

I said, as the house owner, I have a lot of houses, some of the house is remote, so it is empty, but I have a record of the sovereignty of the house in a formal document, it is better evidence, the army has never been evidence that at least you can not put it as the only evidence.The sovereignty of the Qing Dynasty, there have been statements to the South China Sea, why do you deliberately ignored it. Like I said, you always play small tricks, very bad

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I do not care about America, I agree with just "discovered" not as evidence, so HAN records on the South China Sea can not be used as evidence, only as a background evidence.

 

[NiceGuy]

I can not look at that map, any connection?

Here, bro
Ch

I said, as the house owner, I have a lot of houses, some of the house is remote, so it is empty, but I have a record of the sovereignty of the house in a formal document, it is better evidence, the army has never been evidence that at least you can not put it as the only evidence.The sovereignty of the Qing Dynasty, there have been statements to the South China Sea, why do you deliberately ignored it. Like I said, you always play small tricks, very bad

UK, Spain has far more 'houses' than you during 16-19 century , but now, they only have small house for each bcz UNSC rule only accept UK land belong to UK people, not the Whole America continental

I do not care about America, I agree with just "discovered" not as evidence, so HAN records on the South China Sea can not be used as evidence, only as a background evidence.

You could not protect it in ancient time, so now, you lost base on World's rules

 

[huzihaidao12]

Here, bro
Ch


UK, Spain has far more 'houses' than you during 16-19 century , but now, they only have small house for each bcz UNSC rule only accept UK land belong to UK people, not the Whole America continental

You could not protect it in ancient time, so now, you lost base on World's rules

You mean, Vietnamese troops occupied it , so it was Vietnamese, this is your logic, I say, no problem, this logic, we can use it, do not complain about that time, because this is your logic .

Not only in ancient times, ancient but that we have enough qualified than others, the South China Sea is China's sovereignty has been "inherited" to today, you know what is "inheritance", that mean without any interruption, Tang Dynasty \ Song Dynasty \ Ming \ QING \ ROC \ People's Republic, the every government have sovereignty recorded in official documents, you tell me, which Chinese government does not record from the Tang Dynasty?

 

[gambit]

Of course China is at least misusing, if not outright abusing, history. Man's history so far is filled with discoveries, settlements, conquests, and abandonment of territories. China's is no different. China has no claim to these islands and the swath of the sea labeled as 'South China Sea' is only a convenience.

 

[Starblazer]

Here, bro
Ch


UK, Spain has far more 'houses' than you during 16-19 century , but now, they only have small house for each bcz UNSC rule only accept UK land belong to UK people, not the Whole America continental

You could not protect it in ancient time, so now, you lost base on World's rules

There are old Chinese maps of the whole world. Just because you can draw where something is doesn't mean you own it. Trying to prove that you own some piece of land by who has the best map or who called dibs on it first, is both a ridiculous and hilarious argument. Historically speaking a country can own as much land as it can project it's power over and keep. There's no dibs, it's either you can or you can't. If I was a betting man though, I wouldn't have high hopes for Vietnam.

 

[huzihaidao12]

Of course China is at least misusing, if not outright abusing, history. Man's history so far is filled with discoveries, settlements, conquests, and abandonment of territories. China's is no different. China has no claim to these islands and the swath of the sea labeled as 'South China Sea' is only a convenience.

I ask you, GAMIT, if a book to record territory of the Tang Dynasty in the chinese government and the royal family records, the South China Sea is clear and unambiguous records in it, what do you think it is?

 

[EastSea]

When was China enslaved by Japan? I only remember Vietnam being enslaved by French for 100 years, then enslaved by Americans for 50 years. They enslaved you so hard, your language changed. If it was not for China's help you would still be enslaved by the whites and your girls would still be the play toys of black US Marines.

When Japan has enslaving you, how many Chinese girls has been using as entertainment girls for Japanese soldiers ?

 

[Starblazer]

When Japan has enslaving you, how many Chinese girls has been using as entertainment girls for Japanese soldiers ?

Well, I bet Viet girls didn't need any enslaving at all, only 5 dollas.

 

[EastSea]

You mean, Vietnamese troops occupied it , so it was Vietnamese, this is your logic, I say, no problem, this logic, we can use it, do not complain about that time, because this is your logic .

Not only in ancient times, ancient but that we have enough qualified than others, the South China Sea is China's sovereignty has been "inherited" to today, you know what is "inheritance", that mean without any interruption, Tang Dynasty \ Song Dynasty \ Ming \ QING \ ROC \ People's Republic, the every government have sovereignty recorded in official documents, you tell me, which Chinese government does not record from the Tang Dynasty?

China showed the historical evident but there was the record or notes could not realize the location in fact where is it and names was difference, very nontransparent, there was some where oversea (海&#22806. China is liasing about nature of such historical documents
At beginning of last century, when Vietnam authority protested to Qing dynasty about an accident by Hoang Sa, Canton governor answered that Hoang Sa no belong to China so that they don't have responsive about. It's evident that from long time China didn't control Hoang Sa and TruongSA.
Vietnam Nguyen's Lord and late on Nguyen's Dynastry has been issued official statement to control both Islands.

 

[EastSea]

Well, I bet Viet girls didn't need any enslaving at all, only 5 dollas.

I think in China may be cheaper, Chinese girls need 5 Yuan.

 

[gambit]

I ask you, GAMIT, if a book to record territory of the Tang Dynasty in the chinese government and the royal family records, the South China Sea is clear and unambiguous records in it, what do you think it is?

Modern understanding has settlement and administration to qualify as sovereignty. The reason why China has to resort to abusing history is because the Chinese government know China failed in both modern understanding. Absent both factors, especially administration, and modern powers will see it as abandonment.

 

[NALANDA]

Well if China cannot claim is thousands of year civilization over South China sea then how come Israel is allowed to use the history as a clause to declare itself a state?

Bozo

Hope you have read the first post properly and understand the implications. China is turning out to be like GERMANY under Hitler. Look at the comment of Chinese below the post. Hopefully now you guys will stop BS that China and Chinese are PEACEFUL people.....US is atleast Democracy, China is Dictatorship ( CPC).

But alas, Paksitan post Independence has performed the role of slave state to US and now gearing and hoping to show the skills to china. We have not forgotten how you have given the Kashmir portion to China..........we will get it back someday.