China a step closer to microchip independence

[zhxy]

China spends more than $ 300 billion a year buying chips from the US and western countries .. China will save a lot of money if he doesn't buy from abroad.

 

[Han Patriot]

A prototype? As Elon Musk says, developing a prototype is the easy part. By the time China can mass produce it, Its competitors will have moved another 2 processes ahead. I’ll stick with facts on the ground, because as of 2020 China is more reliant than ever on foreign semiconductor technology.

Calm down hero, we are a poor weak primitive country only. Nothing to worry about. Lol

 

[TaiShang]

Trump was good for China in his own way.

GWB ignored East Asia to some degree, which was a good window for China as a low income country to develop to a certain level without bothering much about its security environment.

By the time Trump got elected, China was already a major producer of technology, aiming for innovation driven growth in coordination with the US/West.

Trump destroyed the plans, and tried to close down all the potential doors for cooperation. This has not only eliminated the remaining neoliberal strand in China, but also provided rationale for a stronger tech-sovereignty policy.

Perhaps, the worst damage Trump did was to the core neoliberal idea of complex interdependency and hegemonic stability. China found out that interdependency was not a barrier for aggressive foreign policy and hegemony did not produce any sort of stabile environment for development that developing countries need.

Biden will try to fix these two neoliberal values. He may succeed for most developing countries, but the train has left the station as far as China is concerned.

I guess Trump reinforced multipolar world order.

 

[antonius123]

A prototype? As Elon Musk says, developing a prototype is the easy part. By the time China can mass produce it, Its competitors will have moved another 2 processes ahead. I’ll stick with facts on the ground, because as of 2020 China is more reliant than ever on foreign semiconductor technology.

The gap is narrowing rapidly now.

Do you have data/citation to back your claim that in 2020 China is more reliant than ever foreign semiconductor technology? Because the progress show otherwise.

 

[Trango Towers]

Reminding folks like you, chip manufacturing is more than just EUV lithography alone while some of you are peddling ASML.

Link ti a website....ugh. keep peddling

 

[Beast]

They will mock, laugh and belittle you. Just keep calm and quiet and continue your work you fail once, you do it again and again and again. In the end, you shall prevail. I have seen a fck up China rose to what she is today. If you asked me 20 years ago whether China can be more powerful than the US, I would say you are crazy, today?

The american and western have reduced to just bunch of crooks who can't produced result and resort to fake news to delude only...

 

[Splurgenxs]

Definitely admirable but still a long way to go , your etching my be there but the values of a chip comes from its performance the Americans still hold the IP on most mainstream , SOCs.
I personally wish china to break the monopoly but realistically , will take time , until an unless china somehow happens to get hold of the IPs from companies like Qualcomm ,Intel,AMD, ARM , Mediatek etc etc which already have R&D labs in china , and then manges to integrate the tech on there chip.

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

Link ti a website....ugh. keep peddling

I rather you keep blabbering instead.
I will keeping listening on how you intend to keep peddling your ASML.

Definitely admirable but still a long way to go , your etching my be there but the values of a chip comes from its performance the Americans still hold the IP on most mainstream , SOCs.
I personally wish china to break the monopoly but realistically , will take time , until an unless china somehow happens to get hold of the IPs from companies like Qualcomm ,Intel,AMD, ARM , Mediatek etc etc which already have R&D labs in china , and then manges to integrate the tech on there chip.

China has already move forward with RISC-V eversince Nvidia started acquiring ARM thru Softbank.
Meanwhile China production of NAND, NOR and DRAM chips keep on rising unaffected by Trump sanction.

 

[antonius123]

Definitely admirable but still a long way to go , your etching my be there but the values of a chip comes from its performance the Americans still hold the IP on most mainstream , SOCs.
I personally wish china to break the monopoly but realistically , will take time , until an unless china somehow happens to get hold of the IPs from companies like Qualcomm ,Intel,AMD, ARM , Mediatek etc etc which already have R&D labs in china , and then manges to integrate the tech on there chip.

You are talking 2 different things.

Etching, EDA tools, lithography etc are tools / equipment for chip manufacturing.
Qualcomm, AMD, ARM, Mediatek has no IP in these tools, nor manufacturing process, they are chip designer where China is already competing head to head with the best.

 

[F-22Raptor]

The gap is narrowing rapidly now.

Do you have data/citation to back your claim that in 2020 China is more reliant than ever foreign semiconductor technology? Because the progress show otherwise.

Despite spending billions on its domestic industry, China remains reliant on foreign chipmakers.

China will spend over $300 billion on importing semiconductors this year, an industry expert told the World Semiconductor Conference in Nanjing on Wednesday, as the U.S. continues to put pressure on the country’s access to the most advanced chips.

“China is the world’s largest importer of chips,” Wei Shaojun, vice chairman of the China Semiconductor Industry Association, said on Wednesday. China imported $301 billion worth of semiconductors last year—more than the $238 billion it spent on crude oil.

https://fortune.com/2020/08/27/china-semiconductor-chip-imports-us-ban-huawei/

China will spend over $300B in 2020 on imported chips. China is nowhere close to breaking its dependence on foreign semiconductor technology. By the time China can mass produce a 7nm process, its competitors will have moved on.

Not to mention nearly all of China’s supercomputers are running on American technology.

 

[Beast]

Despite spending billions on its domestic industry, China remains reliant on foreign chipmakers.

China will spend over $300 billion on importing semiconductors this year, an industry expert told the World Semiconductor Conference in Nanjing on Wednesday, as the U.S. continues to put pressure on the country’s access to the most advanced chips.

“China is the world’s largest importer of chips,” Wei Shaojun, vice chairman of the China Semiconductor Industry Association, said on Wednesday. China imported $301 billion worth of semiconductors last year—more than the $238 billion it spent on crude oil.

https://fortune.com/2020/08/27/china-semiconductor-chip-imports-us-ban-huawei/

China will spend over $300B in 2020 on imported chips. China is nowhere close to breaking its dependence on foreign semiconductor technology. By the time China can mass produce a 7nm process, its competitors will have moved on.

Not to mention nearly all of China’s supercomputers are running on American technology.

Lol... Another western poor attempt to delude others.

 

[Fawadqasim1]

China will spend over $300B in 2020 on imported chips.

Their imports will go down drastically in the coming years
yes china will lag behind in the first few years but the semiconductor industry is heading towards a big roadblock after say 2nm process they will have plenty of time to catch-up.

 

[rott]

Despite spending billions on its domestic industry, China remains reliant on foreign chipmakers.

China will spend over $300 billion on importing semiconductors this year, an industry expert told the World Semiconductor Conference in Nanjing on Wednesday, as the U.S. continues to put pressure on the country’s access to the most advanced chips.

“China is the world’s largest importer of chips,” Wei Shaojun, vice chairman of the China Semiconductor Industry Association, said on Wednesday. China imported $301 billion worth of semiconductors last year—more than the $238 billion it spent on crude oil.

https://fortune.com/2020/08/27/china-semiconductor-chip-imports-us-ban-huawei/

China will spend over $300B in 2020 on imported chips. China is nowhere close to breaking its dependence on foreign semiconductor technology. By the time China can mass produce a 7nm process, its competitors will have moved on.

Not to mention nearly all of China’s supercomputers are running on American technology.

3 months old article.

 

[Trango Towers]

I rather you keep blabbering instead.
I will keeping listening on how you intend to keep peddling your ASML.

China has already move forward with RISC-V eversince Nvidia started acquiring ARM thru Softbank.
Meanwhile China production of NAND, NOR and DRAM chips keep on rising unaffected by Trump sanction.

I guess hollow vessels make the most nose...keep waffling

 

[F-22Raptor]

Their imports will go down drastically in the coming years
yes china will lag behind in the first few years but the semiconductor industry is heading towards a big roadblock after say 2nm process they will have plenty of time to catch-up.

Sorry, but I’m not impressed. Almost any country with enough cash can develop a prototype. Scaling and mass production is the hard part. And by the time they do that, China’s competitors will have moved on.