China: a force fit for a superpower

[Thomas]

Ok I was a bit a dick but it's the internet right? and maybe now I can persuade you that Japan is only crying foul because it doesn't want to lose it's position in Asia.

If it was confined to just Japan you might have a point. Look at the latest incident with South Korea and the Chinese fishermen. The fishermen were blatently fishing in Korean waters. Just as in the similar incident the Chinese capt was fishing in Japanese waters. Both got blown up into international incidents with Japan and Korea protrayed as the aggressors by the Chinese. Both were over resources.....Fish. In the Japanese case it escalated to rare earth minerals

 

[huzihaidao12]

If it was confined to just Japan you might have a point. Look at the latest incident with South Korea and the Chinese fishermen. The fishermen were blatently fishing in Korean waters. Just as in the similar incident the Chinese capt was fishing in Japanese waters. Both got blown up into international incidents with Japan and Korea protrayed as the aggressors by the Chinese. Both were over resources.....Fish. In the Japanese case it escalated to rare earth minerals

Can you tell me why Chinese fishermen caught and indicted by the Japanese? This is not a disputed area? Why is China's aggression? By the way,South Korea is also the U.S. dog.

 

[HongWu]

If it was confined to just Japan you might have a point. Look at the latest incident with South Korea and the Chinese fishermen. The fishermen were blatently fishing in Korean waters. Just as in the similar incident the Chinese capt was fishing in Japanese waters. Both got blown up into international incidents with Japan and Korea protrayed as the aggressors by the Chinese. Both were over resources.....Fish. In the Japanese case it escalated to rare earth minerals

Diaoyutai is Chinese territory since ancient times. We already patrol it routinely with coast guard vessels. PLAAF patrol the airspace above it.

If the Japanese try to eject our fisherman again, we will send PLAN to deal with their coast guard ships.

If the Japanese and the Americans try to do a naval exercise around Diaoyutai, we will hit them with swarms of 022 FAC and anti-ship missiles.

Anybody who tries to undermine Chinese sovereignty will be hit by Chinese military power. Any questions?

 

[huzihaidao12]

This was originally a competition in some historical issues, some people act like a cry baby. Even all provocation does not come from China, it is China's problem? So ridiculous.

 

[huzihaidao12]

Innocent Chinese fishermen were caught by Japan, South Korea, it is the Chinese provocation? Japan's attempts to prosecute Chinese fishermen in court, it broke the tacit agreement of both sides, an administrative action up to the issue of sovereignty, it is China's problem? You are a blind man?

 

[Thomas]

Can you tell me why Chinese fishermen caught and indicted by the Japanese? This is not a disputed area? Why is China's aggression? By the way,South Korea is also the U.S. dog.

They were fishing in Japans waters. I'm sure from the Chinese side it doesn't recognize Japan's territorial boundry. The problem is that China's agresive view of were it's boundry is in both the yellow and south china seas.

Battle of the South China Sea - WSJ.com

"China has established a worrying M.O. in these waters, sometimes referred to as "talk and take." In 1992, Beijing signed the Asean Declaration on the South China Sea, designed to protect the status quo. But three years later, it seized Mischief Reef from the Philippines and eventually built a military outpost there.

The islands dispute is heating up again because Chinese officials and scholars have begun to classify the country's claims as part of its "core interests"—a category previously reserved for Tibet and Taiwan. On China's maps, it draws a U-shaped line around almost the entire sea, encroaching on other nations' continental shelves. Beijing's historical claims to the islands are tenuous and probably wouldn't withstand scrutiny under the U.N. Convention on the Law of the Sea, to which China is a signatory.

Of greater concern to maritime powers without a direct claim to the islands is the principle of free navigation. Last year, Chinese boats sought to drive a U.S. Navy surveillance vessel, the USNS Impeccable, out of international waters south of Hainan Island. This month, Beijing intimidated the U.S. into not sending the aircraft carrier USS George Washington into the Yellow Sea for exercises. Essentially China would like to extend its territorial waters, which usually run to 12 miles, to include the entire exclusive economic zone, which extends 200 miles.

Only U.S. involvement can give Asean enough confidence to insist that Beijing submit to international law. After years of Washington placating Beijing, the danger of allowing China to bully its neighbors seems to be sinking in. Undoubtedly more friction is to come, but Asean and its friends have an opportunity to unite to show Beijing that its claims are unacceptable."

 

[below_freezing]

The south koreans brutally murdered 3 of our fishermen and you call that us challenging them? Would we challenge them with a fishing boat? Really? Use your brain!

 

[huzihaidao12]

I'm sure from the Chinese side it doesn't recognize Japan's territorial boundry. The problem is that China's agreesive view of were it's boundry is in both the yellow and south china seas.

Battle of the South China Sea - WSJ.com

"China has established a worrying M.O. in these waters, sometimes referred to as "talk and take." In 1992, Beijing signed the Asean Declaration on the South China Sea, designed to protect the status quo. But three years later, it seized Mischief Reef from the Philippines and eventually built a military outpost there.

The islands dispute is heating up again because Chinese officials and scholars have begun to classify the country's claims as part of its "core interests"—a category previously reserved for Tibet and Taiwan. On China's maps, it draws a U-shaped line around almost the entire sea, encroaching on other nations' continental shelves. Beijing's historical claims to the islands are tenuous and probably wouldn't withstand scrutiny under the U.N. Convention on the Law of the Sea, to which China is a signatory.

Of greater concern to maritime powers without a direct claim to the islands is the principle of free navigation. Last year, Chinese boats sought to drive a U.S. Navy surveillance vessel, the USNS Impeccable, out of international waters south of Hainan Island. This month, Beijing intimidated the U.S. into not sending the aircraft carrier USS George Washington into the Yellow Sea for exercises. Essentially China would like to extend its territorial waters, which usually run to 12 miles, to include the entire exclusive economic zone, which extends 200 miles.

Only U.S. involvement can give Asean enough confidence to insist that Beijing submit to international law. After years of Washington placating Beijing, the danger of allowing China to bully its neighbors seems to be sinking in. Undoubtedly more friction is to come, but Asean and its friends have an opportunity to unite to show Beijing that its claims are unacceptable."

So the bottom line, this is a controversial area. Then, all things are China's problem, even if all the provocations from Japan?

 

[CardSharp]

If it was confined to just Japan you might have a point. Look at the latest incident with South Korea and the Chinese fishermen. The fishermen were blatently fishing in Korean waters. Just as in the similar incident the Chinese capt was fishing in Japanese waters. Both got blown up into international incidents with Japan and Korea protrayed as the aggressors by the Chinese. Both were over resources.....Fish. In the Japanese case it escalated to rare earth minerals

As for the Korea thing. Why would you hold responsible the Chinese government for profiteering fishermen?

and as for Japan again, there is a good Bloomberg piece about how Japan blew the rare earth mineral issue out of proportion to score political brownie points internationally (apparently quite successfully) and how China had been scaling back rare earth production a year back for entirely unrelated reasons.

 

[Thomas]

The south koreans brutally murdered 3 of our fishermen and you call that us challenging them? Would we challenge them with a fishing boat? Really? Use your brain!

They died becuase they rammed their boat into the Koreans. That's not the Koreans fault.

 

[CardSharp]

They died becuase they rammed their boat into the Koreans. That's not the Koreans fault.

Now you're just being dishonest. Look at the video taken by the koreans themselves. They sure as hell wasn't swings those clubs to help the fishermen.

 

[huzihaidao12]

They died becuase they rammed their boat into the Koreans. That's not the Koreans fault.

This is a controversial area. Do you think the fishermen would take the initiative to run into the ship? You sure is not an objective and neutral position, so do not pretend .

 

[Thomas]

As for the Korea thing. Why would you hold responsible the Chinese government for profiteering fishermen?

and as for Japan again, there is a good Bloomberg piece about how Japan blew the rare earth mineral issue out of proportion to score political brownie points internationally (apparently quite successfully) and how China had been scaling back rare earth production a year back for entirely unrelated reasons.

both the Korean and Japanese incidents were over resource profiteering. As well as Chinese attitude when it comes to territorial encroachment.

If China's claim is so strong why does it not make it's claims official with the U.N. under the Convention on the Law of the Sea? The reason is it knows the claims wouldn't hold up. So instead it is better to play the neighborhood bully. After all it even got the U.S. to back down on sending an aircraft carrier to the yellow sea.

 

[Spring Onion]

While China has both Military might and money, it lacks doing any big service to world unlike USA.

thank God China lacks doing big disservice to world in shape of American state terrorism in Iraq, Afghanistan, state support to terrorism in Palestine .

 

[below_freezing]

They died becuase they rammed their boat into the Koreans. That's not the Koreans fault.

yeah a 60 ton fishing boat will ram a 3000 ton coast guard ship?

you serious?

if it the fishing ship was US and it got rammed by a Cuban coast guard, it sure as hell won't be "not the Cubans fault".