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China: a force fit for a superpower

Looks like your purple pump is indeed a defect ... :lol:

"When and where will this 'perfect' society be?" you asked?

Dam*, how you cheated through your American Citizen test, I wonder? with the assistance of the purple pump? :D

--- go read one of the most influential American founding fathers Thomas Jefferson on his Meritocracy vision for America, you lazt bone! :coffee:
Here you go...

http://www.websters-online-dictiona...=FORID:9&ie=UTF-8&q=technocracy&sa=Search#906
1. A form of government in which scientists and technical experts are in control; "technocracy was described as that society in which those who govern justify themselves by appeal to technical experts who justify themselves by appeal to scientific forms of knowledge".

So let us know WHEN and WHERE will this perfect society be. In the meantime, do keep on pumping each other in your little circle jerk.
 
A technocracy, eh? Let me get this fiction straight, a minority bunch of 'educated' people managed to convince the hoi polloi to give up their rights and freedoms to this minority group. When and where will this 'perfect' society be?

definitely not in america that's for sure. however, ancient greece had something similar. only the rich land owning class could vote. and since the rich ppl can pay for good education, it prevented the state from being ruled by the common idiots.

since china isn't a democracy yet, they still have a chance to avoid the mistake. when they do switch over, they should have to pass a test before being allowed to vote.
 
I think very few people have the right to speak and comment on democracy and chinese and americans are not amongst them ..

and don't take offence it is just the truth.
 
I think very few people have the right to speak and comment on democracy and chinese and americans are not amongst them ..

and don't take offence it is just the truth.
Then who does? Let me guess...Only Europeans? :lol: I do not know why it is soooooooooooooooooo difficult to understand: demonstration. Is it too much to ask? It is human nature to be shown a WORKING model before one commit to a product. So is it too much to ask for a working Utopia before I give up my rights and freedoms to a benevolent dictatorship?
 
Then who does? Let me guess...Only Europeans? :lol: I do not know why it is soooooooooooooooooo difficult to understand: demonstration. Is it too much to ask? It is human nature to be shown a WORKING model before one commit to a product. So is it too much to ask for a working Utopia before I give up my rights and freedoms to a benevolent dictatorship?


you were to eager to jump the gun there gambit.


All I meant is that the US political system is not really a democracy.
(i can get into the whys and hows if you want)

and unfortunately most americans I have met truly believe that it is.

it isn't . it is far from it. and more dangerous than the fact that it isn't , is to adopt the notion that it is.

the chinese can't talk about democracy because they simply exist in a different universe politically.

again no offence just the truth.
 
you were to eager to jump the gun there gambit.


All I meant is that the US political system is not really a democracy.
(i can get into the whys and hows if you want)

and unfortunately most americans I have met truly believe that it is.

it isn't . it is far from it. and more dangerous than the fact that it isn't , is the to adopt the notion that it is.

the chinese can't talk about democracy because they simply exist in a different universe politically.

again no offence just the truth.
OK...Let me try this again, although am familiar with this stalling tactic.

WHO WHO WHO WHO...does have this inherent right to speak on democracy? You can criticize and point out all the disqualifiers you want but that does not directly answer the question.

As for the US, democracy is an ideology and replubicanism is the method. And I will leave it at that for now. Do you think the Swiss with their rotating Presidency where the people does not elect the person any more 'democratic' than the American model?
 
TIME: Fareed Zakaria: HOW TO BE A REAL SUPERPOWER

China has enjoyed peace, stability and free trade. It should also help produce them.

By Fareed Zakaria

The Republican primary campaign has not been noteworthy for its discussion of foreign policy. But one set of statements stands out: Mitt Romney’s on China. In a series of speeches, responses and op-eds, Romney has taken a fierce line, accusing Beijing of cheating “on almost every dimension” in its economic relations with the U.S. and promising to brand it a currency manipulator on his first day as President. “If you are not willing to stand up to China, you will get run over by China,” he said in a debate in October. Romney’s stance is significant because he is breaking with 40 years of Republican foreign policy.

Ever since Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger opened the door, the Republican Party has been the party of engagement with China. Democrats have often campaigned on tougher platforms. So why is Romney—a moderate Republican who is trying his best not to make news during this primary campaign—*making this sharp break? The answer can be found in the polls. One of the consequences of this Great Recession is that the American public now has an unreservedly hostile view of China as a job stealer and economic threat. A recent Pew Research Center poll found that more than half of Americans see China’s growth as bad for the U.S. Romney’s shift reflects the fact that even business—the core constituency for good relations with China—is changing its views. As Beijing has adopted policies to favor Chinese companies over foreign ones and refused to crack down on rampant intellectual-property theft, businessmen in the U.S. have become less starstruck and more worried.

Americans aren’t the only ones concerned. In Africa, where Beijing has lavished attention, investment and aid in exchange for natural resources and energy, China has emerged as a paramount foreign policy issue. In the recent presidential campaign in Zambia, there was little discussion of the U.S., the West or neocolonialism, but one candidate, Michael Sata, argued that the Zambian government had sold out the country’s economic interests to Beijing. The issue caught on, and no wonder: Zambia’s chief export is copper, and Chinese state-owned companies buy a lot of it. (Such is their influence that when Sata won the election, he quickly made peace with Beijing, throwing a lunch for Chinese investors in October and promising good relations.)

Across Asia, China’s every move is now watched with great attention. In 2010, as China asserted its sovereignty over disputed waters and islands in the South China Sea, it rattled neighbors from Japan to South Korea to Vietnam. This year Beijing has been more diplomatic, but tensions persist. At the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) summit on Nov. 12-13, many leaders echoed Singapore’s Prime Minister when he said the U.S. was welcome in the region and that its *presence would “do good.” The U.S. announced on Nov.?16 that it would for the first time establish a formal military presence in *Australia—a base in all but name.

The Obama Administration is now *quietly re-engaging in Asia, reversing the troop cutbacks of the Bush Administration, which was more focused on Iraq and the Middle East. Asian diplomats had often complained that U.S. participation at regional summits was too low-level. Obama’s attendance at the APEC summit marks a shift in that approach.

China might well view this as the start of a containment policy. It’s not. But the Chinese authorities should reflect on the changing attitudes toward their country, from businessmen in the U.S. to peasants in Africa to diplomats in Australia. People are waking up to China’s enormous impact on the world, and that leads to very close scrutiny of everything China does—and does not do. Beijing is being held to a higher standard, a super*power standard. This is the way the world has looked at the U.S. for decades. Welcome to the club.

What’s worrisome is that China seems content to act narrowly and exclusively in its own interests, unconcerned about helping maintain global rules. It is happy to consume peace, stability and free trade while doing little to produce any of these public goods. When it does try to project values, its actions seem even more worrying. Consider the awarding of the Confucius Peace Prize, China’s version of the Nobel Peace Prize, to Vladimir Putin on Nov. 13. Does Beijing seriously think this will help its image?

We often hear calls in the U.S. for Washington to forge a new China policy. Doubtless we could do better, but the country that really needs a new China policy is China. Beijing needs to understand its new position in the world and act in ways commensurate with its power. Otherwise, Romney’s statements will be the first of many, and they will come from places far beyond the U.S.
 
TIME: Fareed Zakaria: HOW TO BE A REAL SUPERPOWER

China has enjoyed peace, stability and free trade. It should also help produce them.

By Fareed Zakaria

The Republican primary campaign has not been noteworthy for its discussion of foreign policy. But one set of statements stands out: Mitt Romney’s on China. In a series of speeches, responses and op-eds, Romney has taken a fierce line, accusing Beijing of cheating “on almost every dimension” in its economic relations with the U.S. and promising to brand it a currency manipulator on his first day as President. “If you are not willing to stand up to China, you will get run over by China,” he said in a debate in October. Romney’s stance is significant because he is breaking with 40 years of Republican foreign policy.

Ever since Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger opened the door, the Republican Party has been the party of engagement with China. Democrats have often campaigned on tougher platforms. So why is Romney—a moderate Republican who is trying his best not to make news during this primary campaign—*making this sharp break? The answer can be found in the polls. One of the consequences of this Great Recession is that the American public now has an unreservedly hostile view of China as a job stealer and economic threat. A recent Pew Research Center poll found that more than half of Americans see China’s growth as bad for the U.S. Romney’s shift reflects the fact that even business—the core constituency for good relations with China—is changing its views. As Beijing has adopted policies to favor Chinese companies over foreign ones and refused to crack down on rampant intellectual-property theft, businessmen in the U.S. have become less starstruck and more worried.

Americans aren’t the only ones concerned. In Africa, where Beijing has lavished attention, investment and aid in exchange for natural resources and energy, China has emerged as a paramount foreign policy issue. In the recent presidential campaign in Zambia, there was little discussion of the U.S., the West or neocolonialism, but one candidate, Michael Sata, argued that the Zambian government had sold out the country’s economic interests to Beijing. The issue caught on, and no wonder: Zambia’s chief export is copper, and Chinese state-owned companies buy a lot of it. (Such is their influence that when Sata won the election, he quickly made peace with Beijing, throwing a lunch for Chinese investors in October and promising good relations.)

Across Asia, China’s every move is now watched with great attention. In 2010, as China asserted its sovereignty over disputed waters and islands in the South China Sea, it rattled neighbors from Japan to South Korea to Vietnam. This year Beijing has been more diplomatic, but tensions persist. At the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) summit on Nov. 12-13, many leaders echoed Singapore’s Prime Minister when he said the U.S. was welcome in the region and that its *presence would “do good.” The U.S. announced on Nov.?16 that it would for the first time establish a formal military presence in *Australia—a base in all but name.

The Obama Administration is now *quietly re-engaging in Asia, reversing the troop cutbacks of the Bush Administration, which was more focused on Iraq and the Middle East. Asian diplomats had often complained that U.S. participation at regional summits was too low-level. Obama’s attendance at the APEC summit marks a shift in that approach.

China might well view this as the start of a containment policy. It’s not. But the Chinese authorities should reflect on the changing attitudes toward their country, from businessmen in the U.S. to peasants in Africa to diplomats in Australia. People are waking up to China’s enormous impact on the world, and that leads to very close scrutiny of everything China does—and does not do. Beijing is being held to a higher standard, a super*power standard. This is the way the world has looked at the U.S. for decades. Welcome to the club.

What’s worrisome is that China seems content to act narrowly and exclusively in its own interests, unconcerned about helping maintain global rules. It is happy to consume peace, stability and free trade while doing little to produce any of these public goods. When it does try to project values, its actions seem even more worrying. Consider the awarding of the Confucius Peace Prize, China’s version of the Nobel Peace Prize, to Vladimir Putin on Nov. 13. Does Beijing seriously think this will help its image?

We often hear calls in the U.S. for Washington to forge a new China policy. Doubtless we could do better, but the country that really needs a new China policy is China. Beijing needs to understand its new position in the world and act in ways commensurate with its power. Otherwise, Romney’s statements will be the first of many, and they will come from places far beyond the U.S.

The US should produce peace, stability and free trade as well, instead of death, chaos and sanctions.
 
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