Chief of Air Staff Mujahid Anwar Khan calls on PM Imran Khan, professional matters discussed

[YeBeWarned]

I agree with @Oscar that US Congress is all in Indian Pocket with majority and just recently, approved NATO type status for India. If this meeting has to do with anything, remember that any purchase will have to go through Congress and that is not a place for a favour after mentioning Pakistan.

We might be looking at requirement from US V/s message to tell them about our next route.

we Pakistani's gets excited quickly .. I am not seeing much other than economic/Financial discussions .. Imran Khan is currently too focused on Economy , he would be last person to actively do some effort for US made weapons specially after few recent bad experiences .

but what is making people excited that Army will be present there to , and Army will try to make something out of it , specially after 27th skirmish they know that they are outnumbered and India is hell bent on destruction . Lets hope for the best .

 

[Khafee]

I agree with @Oscar that US Congress is all in Indian Pocket with majority and just recently, approved NATO type status for India. If this meeting has to do with anything, remember that any purchase will have to go through Congress and that is not a place for a favour after mentioning Pakistan.

We might be looking at requirement from US V/s message to tell them about our next route.

Major non-NATO Ally

 

[The Eagle]

we Pakistani's gets excited quickly .. I am not seeing much other than economic/Financial discussions .. Imran Khan is currently too focused on Economy , he would be last person to actively do some effort for US made weapons specially after few recent bad experiences .

but what is making people excited that Army will be present there to , and Army will try to make something out of it , specially after 27th skirmish they know that they are outnumbered and India is hell bent on destruction . Lets hope for the best .

Military presence is true and we are looking at chapter called "Afghanistan". That is the only bargaining chip at the moment along with observations over Iran. I say it openly that for our own many reasons, Pakistan will make decision if it is about Iran. That decision will be based upon our sovereignty & safety. This Afghanistan chapter can serve in many ways which not necessarily means more F-16s only. We can hope for the best and pray. However, we are not going to trade in cheap.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Whose citizens, enjoy a much higher quality of life, than your democrazy imposed leeches, who have dug a hole so big, that the very people you hate, are bailing you out.

Oh the irony!


@Irfan Baloch Pls note, and tell us which "selfish monarchy" is funding this 3rd platform.

touche
point taken. our democracy is a sham one for sure

 

[The Eagle]

Major non-NATO Ally

The couple chose the best for themselves and so we all observe. We will just tell them about next course of action and possible diversification of our interests. The day of 22nd July will decide as where things are going. However, seems like we do have more than one choice hence, the bargain will be interested and not just Pakistan but US has play it wisely as well.

 

[TheTallGuy]

I for one hope that this meeting happens...the things that are happening i worry for the meeting to take place...just look some days before AL Qaeda has given statement for offensive in India..(Trap for Pakistan)...placing over 100 aircraft in small space of IHK for Exercise right at this time...when visit is about happen..hue & cry already on India Media...soup is getting ready!

These are some evil designs...but as Allah Said (Mafhoom) "But they plan, and Allah plans. And Allah is the best of planners"

 

[Khafee]

touche
point taken. our democracy is a sham one for sure

I would like to be on record here for saying this - It pains me, just as it pains you, to see this this mess of epic proportions.

All because of a few peoples greed. I say hang them in public!

 

[Maxpane]

Whose citizens, enjoy a much higher quality of life, than your democrazy imposed leeches, who have dug a hole so big, that the very people you hate, are bailing you out.

Oh the irony!


@Irfan Baloch Pls note, and tell us which "selfish monarchy" is funding this 3rd platform.

sir new bird is because of funding from GCC?

 

[The Eagle]

I would like to be on record here for saying this - It pains me, just as it pains you, to see this this mess of epic proportions.

All because of a few peoples greed. I say hang them in public!

Khafee, then we have set of people crying sky high to make things worse by favouring the same corrupt lot. For the moment, things aren't that much clear but yeah, it will happen sometimes in near future.

 

[YeBeWarned]

Military presence is true and we are looking at chapter called "Afghanistan". That is the only bargaining chip at the moment along with observations over Iran. I say it openly that for our own many reasons, Pakistan will make decision if it is about Iran. That decision will be based upon our sovereignty & safety. This Afghanistan chapter can serve in many ways which not necessarily means more F-16s only. We can hope for the best and pray. However, we are not going to trade in cheap.

One thing for sure, there is no free lunch when it comes to America . but as i say Presence of Military can negotiate for some weapons with respect to India is going bat crazy on purchasing Arms for the next show down, either we accept it or not but i am sure PA and establishment is kinda worry for next skirmish and this time India wont be that stupid in their actions/reactions . PAF on the other hand is outnumbered , either they get F-16 ( lobby for it, Or ask IK to help in this regard ) but one thing for sure they are in dire need of at least 36 4++ Gen Aircrafts .

For some reason I believe ( and i know i will face criticism over it ) that here America have slight better intentions for Pakistan for now , because they have Iran and Afghanistan into full swing at them, so for now I can hope for some generosity from America to keep the Balance of Power in S.Asia , because next Skirmish if Pakistan is about to get their Arse whooped, we go for the Red Button which even the world still scared of .

 

[Hayreddin]

I understand the need for 3-4 squadron of a third type of Aircraft. I also filly agree with the ease with which the 16s can be integrated into our system and the in built capacity we have for repair /ovehaul and spares. The main problem remains the diverging goalposts of US-Pak interests and the rabid need of the US to have a new enemy in China.
Pak is now too invested in China and we have a history spanning 5 decades of cooperation and converging mutual interests bringing and keeping the 2 countries close. Pak also fully understands the need for diversity so as not to become too dependent on China(various reasons for this can be offered)and hence the overtures to Russia, Turkey and Italy( just lumping them together for the sake of the narrative).
The question to which we do not have an answer, is whether the US will dangle a carrot or not? . If it does what are the terms of this carrot and how advantageous is it for Pak as well as US. IF the dangled carrot is allowing Pak to purchase MLUed platforms going on sale in EU, then do you take into consideration the 2 squadrons you can replace in 6 months to a year with little or no work up barring local check up . If the carrot is buying 18 new platforms with most of the money being paid by FMS funds which have been pending and you can buy 2 squadron of MLUed platforms from US stock/ or EU, who amongst you will not grab the bargain knowing fully well the ease of integration as we have in built capacity. However if you are required to procure platforms at cost from the US, I think it is safe to say all of us will choose to walk away.
We also need to take into consideration what conditions are puts on and whether they are palatable for us. If the only condition is facilitation of the Afghan exit, then it might be fine. If on the other hand it is provision of air base to attack Iran then would people here say yay or nay.
So in short there are various permutations of how this could all go down and our response needs to be tempered by what is on offer.
A

This is on the table , what they get depends on situation .
: V upgradation of existing PAF f16 fleet .
: 1 or 2 squadron of new F16 blk 70 or 2 squadron MLued f16 from third party with V upgradation .
: More a2a and a2g missiles with more spare parts for existing f16 fleet .

 

[araz]

we Pakistani's gets excited quickly .. I am not seeing much other than economic/Financial discussions .. Imran Khan is currently too focused on Economy , he would be last person to actively do some effort for US made weapons specially after few recent bad experiences .

but what is making people excited that Army will be present there to , and Army will try to make something out of it , specially after 27th skirmish they know that they are outnumbered and India is hell bent on destruction . Lets hope for the best .

I dont think IAF/Indians will venture our way for 3-5years. Contrary to other people I think they tried and got their hands burnt. They will prepare and preparation can take this much time. Also war is not in Indian favour especially when they can mold world opinion to achieve their ends
A

This is on the table , what they get depends on situation .
: V upgradation of existing PAF f16 fleet .
: 1 or 2 squadron of new F16 blk 70 or 2 squadron MLued f16 from third party with V upgradation .
: More a2a and a2g missiles with more spare parts for existing f16 fleet .

You are entitled to your opinion but I would say highly unlikely. V upgrade bill would span upto 8 billion and it will never be sanctioned or be affordable. Figures comparable to the Taiwanese deal for AESA Upgrade plus new planes. However let us wait and watch.

A

 

[Irfan Baloch]

sir new bird is because of funding from GCC?

it maybe
the Muslim countries helped in Defence and Nuclear program as well.

 

[The Eagle]

Major non-NATO Ally

Yes that is. And also, how come someone thinks that US has any personal interest to strengthen one or another nation until & unless, it does not serves the D.C purpose of superiority over the loss of others. India went into to signing LEMOA with US and that wasn't just in desperation rather Washington made us cause a pain to Delhi or deliberately let things to happen so people like Modi will run to US. It's like patting both at a time. However, as this game can't be avoided so it is matter of time as who takes much more out of such situations like we did avail & so lost as well out of Afghan war. Similarly, we are again into a position where we can't avoid the development but will have to play more smartly & safely to take much out of this Afghan Peace Process otherwise, US-India love is already reached new heights and Pakistan can read situation.

Things aren't happening suddenly but if we fail to play the way we should; it may become more worrisome. Geo-Strategic bloc is into making or almost done, US sees it all coming & is interested only for US first whereby India feeling the complex of being threatened & living into the hype of superiority is playing rightly into the hands of US design but Delhi sees benefits for herself so can't blame. Its more about playing smartly.

This round of talks & IK - Trump meeting is more about the facts, situation at hand, reality check & possible ways to get over it with a win win situation for both parties or otherwise, it will be a smiley goodbye.

 

[YeBeWarned]

I dont think IAF/Indians will venture our way for 3-5years. Contrary to other people I think they tried and got their hands burnt. They will prepare and preparation can take this much time. Also war is not in Indian favour especially when they can mold world opinion to achieve their ends

Araz bhai, you definitely understand Geopolitics and regional issues better than me, but you really really think that after the 27th humiliation where their biggest paid stooges like Christian fair and Tarek Fateh can't stand behind what they are selling to their general Public, they will bite back and this time much harder . This is what even Oscar and Messiach hinted too that Indians are arming themselves to the teeth while we are still celebrating .