Chengdu J-20 5th Generation Aircraft News & Discussions

[Deino]

J-20s make appearance with new camouflage again...

Ohhhh ... just a hint !?? PLEASE.

Another kind of splinter scheme, some sort of toned-down scheme ??? Can't wait to see the images.

Deino

 

[星海军事]

Ohhhh ... just a hint !?? PLEASE.

Another kind of splinter scheme, some sort of toned-down scheme ??? Can't wait to see the images.

Deino

A camo called Raptor Camo

 

[MultaniGuy]

Well Kudos to China.

But I do not think Pakistan will get J-20s, because J-20s are not for export.
Pakistan will get J-31s.

 

[Deino]

A camo called Raptor Camo

Ok. ... sounds interesting !!
Could this be the 5th LRIP-bird now painted in that scheme?

 

[Asoka]

OMG! A freakishly bad taste, PLAAF-Flying-Demonstration-Team, 八一飞行表演队, paint scheme for the J-20.

 

[Asoka]

At the November 2016, China Airshow, J-20's demonstrated an impressive vertical climb.

This close up picture shows, it was not using the afterburner. No long hot burning flame was shooting out of its nozzles.

J-20 is underpowered, you said? I don't think so.

 

[Deino]

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At the November 2016, China Airshow, J-20's demonstrated an impressive vertical climb.

This close up picture shows, it was not using the afterburner. No long hot burning flame was shooting out of its nozzles.

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J-20 is underpowered, you said? I don't think so.

Hey well ... we are back again at the PDF-Groundhog Day post !
But You are a bit late, that certain day in Punxsutawney is on February 2.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groundhog_Day_(film)

 

[Deino]

Denial is your only option left. Mr. Deino.

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Yes for sure, but on the other side the longer and the more often You repeat Yourself, the more likely it is that in the end at least Yourself are convinced !

Anyway ... ... let us again agree to disagree until the engine is confirmed and in the meantime find out how that new camo looks like.

https://twitter.com/x/status/833220874220154881

 

[Muhammad Omar]

OMG! A freakishly bad taste, PLAAF-Flying-Demonstration-Team, 八一飞行表演队, paint scheme for the J-20.

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OH DAMN Ruined it

 

[帅的一匹]

OH DAMN Ruined it

The most ugly paint I ever see.

 

[Muhammad Omar]

The most ugly paint I ever see.

True..

 

[Asoka]

True..

It's hellishly ugly.

 

[Asoka]

This got to be the most outrageously tight turn by J-20, I have seen yet. It did a 180 degree U-turn in about 3-4 seconds. It literally just flip around at the bend of the U shape, which lasted about 1 second.

I made the gif files from the original video. The time of the turns is deduced from the original videos. A 3-4 seconds, 180 degrees U-turn is a stunning performance for any aircraft.


This one is done with the usual deep banking like other airplanes.

This one is done without the deep banking.

Watch the segments from 1:01 to 1:04, and 1:20 to 1:26 on this original video.

Why is doing a tight turn without deep banking useful in a dogfight?

When the pilot doing a tight turn with deep banking, his head is point to the center of the turn, and the blood is pulled by the centripetal force toward his legs. At sustained high G, the pilot is prone to blackout (lost of consciousness), or greyout (lost his vision), because of lack of blood flow to his head. Also he will be having a hard time to keep his opponent in his sight. His head will be very heavy and turning of his head will be very difficult. He will have a hard time to follow his opponent, around the turn, long enough to get a good lock, to fire his weapon, with his Helmet Mounted Sight.

When you turn without the need of deep banking, you don't have those problems as much. You will be sitting horizontal, with your head up, like driving a car, around a turn. You will be pushed toward the window, instead of toward the floor by the G-force. Your blood will not be pull toward the floor or legs as much, so your tolerance to high-G force will be much greater. And your head will be much easier to turn, and able to watch your opponent over your shoulder, and aim your weapon using your HMS.

You could fire your missile, even your opponent is at 60 degrees or more from you.

If both planes have High-Off BoreSight missiles and HMS, the pilot who could turn his head more easily, to track his opponent, will achieve a firing solution first, and fire his missile first, and therefore kill first.


"Being able to look outside the cockpit and ‘see’ all the contacts around them highlighted by glowing symbology would be a huge situational awareness boost, and the ability to target enemy aircraft at short range, without having to point the jet’s nose at them, could mean the difference between winning and losing in a dogfight."
http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/why-its-sad-that-the-f-22-just-fired-its-first-guided-a-1704889474

 

[Deino]

You want to deduct the maneuverability from a gif. ????

And You want to be taken seriously ????
That would be as if You try to deduct the RCS from a toy, engine thrust from a still ... Sorry my friend; I know that we disagree and You are my most prominent "basher" of pedals-analysis, but that's really on top.


Anyway ....

 

[Asoka]

I made the gif files from the original video. The time of the turns is deduced from the original videos. A 3-4 seconds, 180 degrees U-turn is a stunning performance for any aircraft.

I prefer to look and see with my own eyes, while some people prefers to put their head in the sand and deny everything that don't agree with their preconceived notions.