Chengdu J-20 5th Generation Aircraft News & Discussions

[rcrmj]

during the exercises few days ago (you all saw the sat pictures with 2 J-20s)
2 J-20s were participated alone with few dozens J-10A, J-11A, JH-7, J-7,Su-30······ few AWACs and other supporting aeroplanes

here is the event
participants
blue: 2 J-20s
red: J-10s, J-11s, Su-30s, AWACs

results:
scenario 1: (blue) 8:0 (red)
scenario 2: (blue) 10:0 (red)

pilots from the red side complained the early loss of AWAC and lack of info update from ground radar units, but the ground units complained back by saying 'how can we give you tracks and guides without knowing where those J-20 actually were?

no matter whether its BVR or VRAC, red army pilots were head bombed or 'anal f*cked' without knowing where the 2 fat gooses were```

the event left red army leaders furious, the blue team were smiling```` and the general were quite happy

 

[Beast]

during the exercises few days ago (you all saw the sat pictures with 2 J-20s)
2 J-20s were participated alone with few dozens J-10A, J-11A, JH-7, J-7,Su-30······ few AWACs and other supporting aeroplanes

here is the event
participants
blue: 2 J-20s
red: J-10s, J-11s, Su-30s, AWACs

results:
scenario 1: (blue) 8:0 (red)
scenario 2: (blue) 10:0 (red)

pilots from the red side complained the early loss of AWAC and lack of info update from ground radar units, but the ground units complained back by saying 'how can we give you tracks and guides without knowing where those J-20 actually were?

no matter whether its BVR or VRAC, red army pilots were head bombed or 'anal f*cked' without knowing where the 2 fat gooses were```

the event left red army leaders furious, the blue team were smiling```` and the general were quite happy

Why J-20 grouped under blue? Are they simulating USAF F-22?

 

[cirr]

TalkingtoBenDe, it is all about radar:

http://weibo.com/tv/v/Embcy0dcg? ... 6eaa4340a65efda7cdf

According to the old chap(affectionately known as DeYe), J-20 has the best AESA radar there is.

 

[rcrmj]

Why J-20 grouped under blue? Are they simulating USAF F-22?

maybe```````they have purpose of their own, I dont know

 

[Asoka]

during the exercises few days ago (you all saw the sat pictures with 2 J-20s)
2 J-20s were participated alone with few dozens J-10A, J-11A, JH-7, J-7,Su-30······ few AWACs and other supporting aeroplanes

here is the event
participants
blue: 2 J-20s
red: J-10s, J-11s, Su-30s, AWACs

results:
scenario 1: (blue) 8:0 (red)
scenario 2: (blue) 10:0 (red)

pilots from the red side complained the early loss of AWAC and lack of info update from ground radar units, but the ground units complained back by saying 'how can we give you tracks and guides without knowing where those J-20 actually were?

no matter whether its BVR or VRAC, red army pilots were head bombed or 'anal f*cked' without knowing where the 2 fat gooses were```

the event left red army leaders furious, the blue team were smiling```` and the general were quite happy

The AWACs may be gone, but the ground radars should still be able to see J-20 because they have AESA and anti-stealth radars too.

On a second thought, able too see the J-20 is probably still be useless, because they can't do Supersonic Cruise and Supersonic Maneuvers like J-20. Those are the real killer capabilities.

maybe```````they have purpose of their own, I dont know

It's all about getting familiarized with the capabilities of J-20 and develop tactical doctrines to integrate J-20 with other planes into a power punch. The fact that the Chinese AF can't wait to begin this phase of operation means they have sensed the dangers are very near.

TalkingtoBenDe, it is all about radar:

http://weibo.com/tv/v/Embcy0dcg? ... 6eaa4340a65efda7cdf

According to the old chap(affectionately known as DeYe), J-20 has the best AESA radar there is.

I don't doubt it. Electronics have advanced by leaps and bounds since the 1990's when the F-22's AN/APG-77 AESA radar was developed. AN/APG-77 has 22KW peak power and has 1956 T/R modules. Each T/R module could output 11.24 Watt.

Whereas, J-20's AESA radar is rumored to have > 2100, 3rd Generation GaAs, T/R modules and each module could output 15W, making it has a peak power of 31.5kw. That is 43% more power.

Here is a picture that compares the power of different radars by showing how far it can cook a piece of meat.

 

[DCS]

Why J-20 grouped under blue? Are they simulating USAF F-22?

Blue force has always played the aggressor role in exercises to simulate a highly advanced adversary. Blue has traditionally dominated red in exercises due to the gulf in experience between aggressor pilots and regulars. Assuming the rumor holds water, this likely took place at Dingxin with top FTTC pilots on both sides.

 

[Beast]

Blue force has always played the aggressor role in exercises to simulate a highly advanced adversary. Blue has traditionally dominated red in exercises due to the gulf in experience between aggressor pilots and regulars. Assuming the rumor holds water, this likely took place at Dingxin with top FTTC pilots on both sides.

I know blue forces is the aggressor but when initial forming squadron unit. I thought they shall play the red forces to test against western 4th gen or 4.5th gen fighter blue forces to test out the capabilities of J-20?.

 

[gambit]

May be you are right, when taking into account of how our eyes and brains works when under strain. I have no experience with HUD design, no I don't know what is the optimum design. Just my belief that way the informations presented in the HUD is extremely "packed". I can't believe the format can't be further improved after 4 decades of development.

Anyway, we were talking about the Chinese version of the F-35 like display. Hope the J-20's display is nowhere looking like it. Thanks for your education on HUD.

There is no 'may be' about it. I am correct. Not only are you wrong about how a HUD works, you are wrong on just about everything else you commented on.

 

[52051]

Why J-20 grouped under blue? Are they simulating USAF F-22?

Well, dont complain, in the US, their red army equip F-22 to simulate J-20 instead.

 

[DCS]

I know blue forces is the aggressor but when initial forming squadron unit. I thought they shall play the red forces to test against western 4th gen or 4.5th gen fighter blue forces to test out the capabilities of J-20?.

The PLAAF never allows the red force to go seal clubbing on exercises. The adversary is always assumed to have superiority. If you want to know how a 4th gen mix with conventional force multipliers would fare against a 5th gen force, it's very self evident in the results (they get clubbed).

 

[Pepsi Cola]

This exercise also points out that the regular PLAAF forces are still not effective at handling against stealth adversaries. Good, they can learn from this exercise, and figure out how to deal with them in the future.

 

[Asoka]

There is no 'may be' about it. I am correct. Not only are you wrong about how a HUD works, you are wrong on just about everything else you commented on.

Now, that's sore person speaking. Someone whose "canard is not stealthy" nonsense got confronted and got a red face.

 

[Deino]

Can You guys hold on with these personnel quarrels and instead better go out and find some more images of 7827x-birds !???

 

[Asoka]

The PLAAF never allows the red force to go seal clubbing on exercises. The adversary is always assumed to have superiority. If you want to know how a 4th gen mix with conventional force multipliers would fare against a 5th gen force, it's very self evident in the results (they get clubbed).

That's nice to hear. In the old days, the exercises always follow a pre-written script, everybody knows what will happen, and the red always win.

Well, dont complain, in the US, their red army equip F-22 to simulate J-20 instead.

The Americanos can not smile anymore, even if J-20 is only half as effective as F-22, the results will still be like 50-0 against the F-16, F-15, F-18's and even F-35s, if their ridiculous result of 144-0 is true.

If the AWAC is taken out first, the strength of their attacking force is immediately drop by half. And if their oil tankers, are also gone, they will dive into the sea. They can't even go home. From Guam to China and back, F-22 needs it takes 6 aerial-refuels. 3 of them will be near China. That is assuming the Guam is still operational after the Ballistic missiles attacks.

J-20 is not just a game changer.

It's a GAME OVER for the aggressors.

Can the blue force still want to attack China's coast, given those odds? We are not even talking about the Ballistic missiles and S-300, S-400 SAMs yet.

 

[Asoka]

Is that really 78278? Look at that watermark. It might be a P.S. job.