Chengdu J-20 5th Generation Aircraft News & Discussions

[elis]

The zero was quicker i think especially for climbing

 

[Khan_patriot]

this is one sexy beast....

 

[Superboy]

The zero was quicker i think especially for climbing

Zero had superb turning rate due to long wingspan and had superb range due to lack of armor and self sealing fuel tanks. Had Luftwaffe used Zero rather than Me 109, the latter having had very short range, it would have achieved air superiority over the skies of Britain.

 

[Dem!god]

According to a report in the Want China Times, three years after the first test flight of the Chengdu J-20, China’s first stealth fighter, the Canada-based Kanwa Defense Review says aircraft designers around the world are questioning whether the fighter is capable of operating as a front-line stealth fighter.

According to the WCT article, aeronautical engineers in Russia, Poland and the United States have offered a very negative appraisal on the J-20. The chief designer from Russia’s Mikoyan military aircraft bureau said the concept of the Chengdu J-20 does not meet generally accepted stealth aircraft design criteria.


Credit: Wikimedia Commons – Chinese J-20 Stealth Fighter Design Art

His counterpart at Sukhoi, designer of Russia’s PAK FA stealth fighter, says that the J-20 cannot be considered a fifth-generation fighter because, in addition to other shortcomings, it does not have supersonic cruise capability. He also criticized the aircraft’s overall design saying that the reliability of the J-20 is not up to standards. This all according to Kanwa – Chinese engineers were not interviewed for this article. Not surprising, as China is very tight-lipped about it’s advanced aircraft designs, the [unverifiable] charge being that many of the concepts built into their stealth fighters were stolen from Western defense contractors.




Credit: Sukhoi – PAK FA Stealth Fighter Aircraft [Click to Enlarge]

In addition, the articles states that; “An aviation expert from Poland said the design of the J-20 is extremely odd because its front wing will increase the chance of detection by enemy radar and early warning aircraft. In the view of a designer from Lockheed Martin, the J-20 is way too big for a stealth fighter. The J-20 is very similar in size to the US F-111 tactical fighter, said the American designer, adding that China does not have engines with sufficient thrust to power the fighter”. True, but one must remember that China is in the beginning stages of developing an air-superiority, naval-attack, all-weather-capable modern stealth fighter. The process is very complicated, and by all accounts China continues to improve on its designs.


Designing an effective stealth fighter is an extremely difficult undertaking. Structures must be correctly angled, materials coating the airframe must be radar-absorptive and able to withstand the rigors of flight, and engines must be powerful yet [mostly] undetectable – at least as compared to 4th generation fighters. So the process is not easy, but engineering challenges are not insurmountable. Chinese designs will surely get better. Below, a short video of the Chengdu J-20 “Mighty Dragon” in flight:


China’s J-20 cannot be considered a fifth-generation fighter: Kanwa | idrw.org

Can China’s J-20 “Mighty Dragon” perform as an effective fifth-generation stealth fighter? | global aviation report

 

[nomi007]

pakfa is truely shit
indians pilots told thier govt india is unhappy with russia:usa report

 

[SrNair]

Cant avoid it like that.After all we must appreciate Chinese.Russians and Americans owned aircraft industry for more than 60 years.but China step in to it only after 1990.But they could develop a good aircraft industry.J-20 is a good fighter .But it will take time to become a real 5G fighter.

pakfa is truely shit
indians pilots told thier govt india is unhappy with russia:usa report

Poor guy it is just a pressure tactics of IAF.

 

[UKBengali]

Aeronautical engineers from Poland!

 

[Beast]

Aeronautical engineers from Poland!

Exactly. Why not ask opinion of aeronautical engineers from Somalia will look more interesting, right?

 

[IND151]

According to a report in the Want China Times, three years after the first test flight of the Chengdu J-20, China’s first stealth fighter, the Canada-based Kanwa Defense Review says aircraft designers around the world are questioning whether the fighter is capable of operating as a front-line stealth fighter.

According to the WCT article, aeronautical engineers in Russia, Poland and the United States have offered a very negative appraisal on the J-20. The chief designer from Russia’s Mikoyan military aircraft bureau said the concept of the Chengdu J-20 does not meet generally accepted stealth aircraft design criteria.


Credit: Wikimedia Commons – Chinese J-20 Stealth Fighter Design Art

His counterpart at Sukhoi, designer of Russia’s PAK FA stealth fighter, says that the J-20 cannot be considered a fifth-generation fighter because, in addition to other shortcomings, it does not have supersonic cruise capability. He also criticized the aircraft’s overall design saying that the reliability of the J-20 is not up to standards. This all according to Kanwa – Chinese engineers were not interviewed for this article. Not surprising, as China is very tight-lipped about it’s advanced aircraft designs, the [unverifiable] charge being that many of the concepts built into their stealth fighters were stolen from Western defense contractors.




Credit: Sukhoi – PAK FA Stealth Fighter Aircraft [Click to Enlarge]

In addition, the articles states that; “An aviation expert from Poland said the design of the J-20 is extremely odd because its front wing will increase the chance of detection by enemy radar and early warning aircraft. In the view of a designer from Lockheed Martin, the J-20 is way too big for a stealth fighter. The J-20 is very similar in size to the US F-111 tactical fighter, said the American designer, adding that China does not have engines with sufficient thrust to power the fighter”. True, but one must remember that China is in the beginning stages of developing an air-superiority, naval-attack, all-weather-capable modern stealth fighter. The process is very complicated, and by all accounts China continues to improve on its designs.


Designing an effective stealth fighter is an extremely difficult undertaking. Structures must be correctly angled, materials coating the airframe must be radar-absorptive and able to withstand the rigors of flight, and engines must be powerful yet [mostly] undetectable – at least as compared to 4th generation fighters. So the process is not easy, but engineering challenges are not insurmountable. Chinese designs will surely get better. Below, a short video of the Chengdu J-20 “Mighty Dragon” in flight:


China’s J-20 cannot be considered a fifth-generation fighter: Kanwa | idrw.org

Can China’s J-20 “Mighty Dragon” perform as an effective fifth-generation stealth fighter? | global aviation report

it does not have supersonic cruise capability

It is under powered as of now. It will take time before it gets more powerful engines.

In the view of a designer from Lockheed Martin, the J-20 is way too big for a stealth fighter

There are many sources which suggest it is intended to be used as bomber not fighter.

design of the J-20 is extremely odd because its front wing will increase the chance of detection by enemy radar and early warning aircraft

Agreed, canards are not suitable for stealth fighters.

 

[Beast]

It is under powered as of now. It will take time before it gets more powerful engines.

Agree! But it will not be that long.

There are many sources which suggest it is intended to be used as bomber not fighter.

May I know your many sources is from where? some bogus bias western source?

Agreed, canards are not suitable for stealth fighters.

May I know is that a canard design on propose 6th gen fighter from reputable lockheed martin?

 

[Donatello]

Exactly. Why not ask opinion of aeronautical engineers from Somalia will look more interesting, right?

For Indians they will accept anything that discredits anything Chinese/Pakistani etc

 

[IND151]

Agree! But it will not be that long.




May I know your many sources is from where? some bogus bias western source?

https://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCcQFjAA&url=http://thediplomat.com/2011/07/stealth-fighter-or-bomber/&ei=oxf2UrjsNoexrgf7poDgCg&usg=AFQjCNEdf1N1C9KbewLBzdyrhkq9IihS_g&bvm=bv.60983673,d.bmk

May I know is that a canard design on propose 6th gen fighter from reputable lockheed martin?

May I know your many sources is from where? some bogus bias western source?

https://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCcQFjAA&url=http://thediplomat.com/2011/07/stealth-fighter-or-bomber/&ei=oxf2UrjsNoexrgf7poDgCg&usg=AFQjCNEdf1N1C9KbewLBzdyrhkq9IihS_g&bvm=bv.60983673,d.bmk

May I know is that a canard design on propose 6th gen fighter from reputable lockheed martin?

That design is not selected for production as of now.

 

[SrNair]

For Indians they will accept anything that discredits anything Chinese/Pakistani etc

No reverse is happen.You check Indians post here.Some may criticize.But none dicredit it unanimously like Pak/China discredit India.

 

[Khan_patriot]

Whether or not it is a 5th generation will be clear when it is actually seen in action.....This analysis shows the unrest the Chinese are causing the west....

 

[OrionHunter]

pakfa is truely shit

Is this thread about the T-50 PAK FA or the Chinese J-20? Am I missing something here?

Why do kids jump into forums just to write nonsense?

Bloody disgusting. You just made a gawd-almighty fool of yourself. Now go play outside and stop bothering us with your nonsensical rants.

Aeronautical engineers from Poland!

I know! Pretty dumb, eh? They should have got aeronautical engineers from BD instead. That would have lent more credibility to the report!!