Chengdu J-20 5th Generation Aircraft News & Discussions

[Beast]

that is to early, it should be more along the lines of late 2016 to 2017

2016 to 17 is more for combat maturity of the unit which regiment is build up which means late 2014. Production unit shall have produced the first operations J-20.

 

[xhw1986]

J-20 could be as famous as the Zero: Japanese magazine

Although some consider Chinese fighters to be little more than less impressive copies of Russian designs, the J-20, China's first fifth-generation stealth fighter, has the potential to become one of the world's most iconic military aircraft like Japan's Mitsubishi A6M Zero during World War II, according to Aireview, a Japanese magazine covering military aviation news.

Before the Zero first saw action against the Russian-built I-15bis and I-16 fighters operated by the Republic of China Air Force over Chongqing in September 1940, most Western military experts had a similar view of the Japanese fighter as people have towards Chinese fighters today, the magazine said.

Claire Lee Chennault, the legendary leader of the Flying Tigers — a group of American volunteer aviators recruited to help the ROC combat Japanese forces — sent warning to Washington about the threat posed by the Zero at the time, however none of his supervisors believed that Japan was able to effectively design its own plane.

The United States learned first-hand the now legendary capabilities of the Japanese fighter when Zeros wiped out the US defenses at Pearl Harbor and Manila in December 1941. The Zero's performance in the early stages of the Pacific War earned it a formidable reputation. Aireview said China is now developing an advanced fighter which may in time earn a similar reputation.

The J-10B and its successor, the J-20, both have the potential to reach the level of fame as the Zero during World War II, the magazine said, if the Chinese aviation industry is capable of upgrading the aircraft's software. Aireview stated that the J-20, with a large fuselage, is likely to be designed as a long-range multi-role fighter which can also be used as a tactical bomber.

As for the J-31, China's second prototype stealth fighter, its main purpose is to be exported to developing nations which are not able to purchase the US-built F-35, the magazine added.

J-20 could be as famous as the Zero: Japanese magazine｜Politics｜News｜WantChinaTimes.com

 

[gambit]

The J-20 could be as 'iconic' as the Zero? That is going too far. Could be?

The only reason why the Zero is so famous and 'iconic' is because of war. The J-20 is still under testing. What are these Japanese editors/writers smoking? If anything, it should be the F-16 that has achieved 'iconic' status.

 

[Superboy]

The J-20 could be as 'iconic' as the Zero? That is going too far. Could be?

The only reason why the Zero is so famous and 'iconic' is because of war. The J-20 is still under testing. What are these Japanese editors/writers smoking? If anything, it should be the F-16 that has achieved 'iconic' status.

J-20 is a big bird, sort of like P-47 or P-51. It is not very maneuverable, but instead relies on speed during dogfights.

 

[Dem!god]

Although some consider Chinese fighters to be little more than less impressive copies of Russian designs, the J-20, China's first fifth-generation stealth fighter, has the potential to become one of the world's most iconic military aircraft like Japan's Mitsubishi A6M Zero during World War II, according to Aireview, a Japanese magazine covering military aviation news.

Before the Zero first saw action against the Russian-built I-15bis and I-16 fighters operated by the Republic of China Air Force over Chongqing in September 1940, most Western military experts had a similar view of the Japanese fighter as people have towards Chinese fighters today, the magazine said.

Claire Lee Chennault, the legendary leader of the Flying Tigers — a group of American volunteer aviators recruited to help the ROC combat Japanese forces — sent warning to Washington about the threat posed by the Zero at the time, however none of his supervisors believed that Japan was able to effectively design its own plane.

The United States learned first-hand the now legendary capabilities of the Japanese fighter when Zeros wiped out the US defenses at Pearl Harbor and Manila in December 1941. The Zero's performance in the early stages of the Pacific War earned it a formidable reputation. Aireview said China is now developing an advanced fighter which may in time earn a similar reputation.

The article also said Chinese fighters are currently only superior in their numbers but not in quality, adding that without active electronically scanned array radar, China's J-10A fighter is unlikely to defeat Japan's American-built F-15J in a dogfight. The J-10B, the upgraded version of the J-10A, is reported to be equipped with active electronically scanned array radar but China does not have enough early warning aircraft compared to the United States and Japan, the magazine said.

Meanwhile, the Japan Air Self-Defense Force has 17 early warning aircraft and China has 11 — among them, only five are the most advanced Chinese KJ-2000 early warning planes. The People's Liberation Army Air Force and Navy Air Force have around 1,500 fighters, five times the number of Japan, however China would at present still not be able to win a decisive air battle against Japan. However, the article maintained that China will be able to fix these problems in the future.

The J-10B and its successor, the J-20, both have the potential to reach the level of fame as the Zero during World War II, the magazine said, if the Chinese aviation industry is capable of upgrading the aircraft's software. Aireview stated that the J-20, with a large fuselage, is likely to be designed as a long-range multi-role fighter which can also be used as a tactical bomber.

As for the J-31, China's second prototype stealth fighter, its main purpose is to be exported to developing nations which are not able to purchase the US-built F-35, the magazine added.
Defence News - J-20 could be as famous as the Zero: Japanese magazine

 

[lcloo]

J-20 is a big bird, sort of like P-47 or P-51. It is not very maneuverable, but instead relies on speed during dogfights.

Not really, J-20 is smaller than Flanker series fighters, and with canard it is actually very maneuverable. Also, you can not depend soly on speed in dog fight, that is why after the US produced the century series fighters ( F-101, F-104, F106 etc which were designed for high speed rather than maneuverity), their Vietnam war experience, they designe their later fighters (F-14, F-15, F-16, F-18) with maneuverity as top priority rather than high speed.

 

[That Guy]

The J-20 could be as 'iconic' as the Zero? That is going too far. Could be?

The only reason why the Zero is so famous and 'iconic' is because of war. The J-20 is still under testing. What are these Japanese editors/writers smoking? If anything, it should be the F-16 that has achieved 'iconic' status.

Maybe not now, but the way China's military has been building up, war is probably inevitable. If the J-20 is ready by that time, maybe the Japs have a point.

 

[Superboy]

A6M Zero was good in 1940, but by 1943 it was totally outclassed by F6F Hellcat, the latter having an engine almost twice as powerful as Zero's puny engine. Americans had lots of oil, they could afford big planes. Only A7M Reppu could have taken on US navy fighters toe to toe. J-10 could be compared to A6M while J-20 could be compared to A7M.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

The article is too optimistic. The only reason the Zero fighter were famous is that it fought in a war. Which I doubt any side will want to start.

 

[elis]

It would be a bad thing, the zero was very lightly armored and easily took fire

The P47 overclassed the zero

Asian culture often priviliege the quickness over the protection

 

[BoQ77]

China show their achievement with stealth, I believe one day China could make their first stealth aircraft better than Russia, then better than USA ...

 

[帅的一匹]

It would be a bad thing, the zero was very lightly armored and easily took fire

The P47 overclassed the zero

Asian culture often priviliege the quickness over the protection

Who tell you that. Japan is a resource limited Country, while China is abundant with Resource. We can design and build any kind of weapon system we think it is necessary .

 

[lcloo]

It would be a bad thing, the zero was very lightly armored and easily took fire

The P47 overclassed the zero

Asian culture often priviliege the quickness over the protection

What has this to do with Asian culture???

A6M Zero was good in 1940, but by 1943 it was totally outclassed by F6F Hellcat, the latter having an engine almost twice as powerful as Zero's puny engine. Americans had lots of oil, they could afford big planes. Only A7M Reppu could have taken on US navy fighters toe to toe. J-10 could be compared to A6M while J-20 could be compared to A7M.

On what technical basis are this comparison made? What similarity is there between A6M and J-20?

 

[gambit]

What has this to do with Asian culture???

He just make shit up...

On what technical basis are this comparison made? What similarity is there between A6M and J-20?

No technical basis at all.

What the Japanese writers implied was how the J-20 could -- not would -- be as surprising to the Americans of today as how the Zero surprised the Americans of pre and during WW II days. It is a bit straining because it took a war in order for the Zero to become famous. If we go by 'could' alone, then any fighter 'could' be as surprising as the Zero -- but was not because no war was available for said fighter to prove itself. The writers were trying to be objective but methinks they went too far.

 

[Superboy]

It would be a bad thing, the zero was very lightly armored and easily took fire

The P47 overclassed the zero

Asian culture often priviliege the quickness over the protection

Uh no, it was due to limitation of engine. Zero had a weak small 1,130 hp engine, compared to 2,000 hp of F6F Hellcat. F4F Wildcat had a 1,200 hp engine. A weak engine would have been insufficient for both performance and protection, due to weight of armor and self sealing fuel tanks.