Chengdu J-10 Multirole Fighter Air Craft News & Discussions

[SBD-3]

Buddy, there is no need to convey your table manners on the forum,
My disclosure is not exactly "Breaking news".
This story dates back to 90s and for your belligerent attitude, the news actually appeared in a Western aviation journal. period.

its not that easy to make a statement like you did...............should add sound backing and ......obviously sense of responsibility to point .............which honestly speaking......your "claim" lacked. I hope you ll understand............Choice is yours

 

[Windjammer]

By implying that a PAF F-16 is stored in China, you have proved you're typing rubbish. Lockheed Martin has conducted checks of Pakistan's F-16 inventory for years and, as far as I know, they and the US government has been completely satisfied that all 40 of the F-16A/B fighters delivered to Pakistan from 1983 to 1987 are accounted for. That includes the 8 F-16s that have crashed, their wreckage has been stored at a PAF base and inspected by Lockheed Martin technicians.

Did you know there's an AH-64 Apache gunship on display in China too? Its a 1:1 scale model built by an enthusiast.

Sometimes it helps to read between the lines, I never mentioned about any PAF aircraft stationed in China, however two F-16s were there for sometimes eventually returning to their home base.
As for your sarcastic remark, a little search can often prove beneficial as the Gate guardian frame is of full scale and China has aquired it from other sources than PAF.

 

[Windjammer]

its not that easy to make a statement like you did...............should add sound backing and ......obviously sense of responsibility to point .............which honestly speaking......your "claim" lacked. I hope you ll understand............Choice is yours

Thank you for your observation, but my dear there is no medal table here, i only posted what i did read in a reputable aviation journal.

 

[SBD-3]

Thank you for your observation, but my dear there is no medal table here, i only posted what i did read in a reputable aviation journal.

you could quote it..................and tell you what.....every single westerner believes that PAF did give its vipers to China for design understanding......I dont know why West hates China?

 

[Windjammer]

you could quote it..................and tell you what.....every single westerner believes that PAF did give its vipers to China for design understanding......I dont know why West hates China?

The Aviation journal claimed that the "Have a look" materialized with a nod from US.

 

[SBD-3]

The Aviation journal claimed that the "Have a look" materialized with a nod from US.

lolz.....................now what can you call that?

 

[Windjammer]

lolz.....................now what can you call that?

Loosely it can be translated into,

"You can have my car but, i am not giving it to you.

 

[Speeder]

China has agreed to sell Pakistan at least 36 advanced fighter jets in a landmark deal worth as much as $1.4bn, according to Pakistani and western officials.

Beijing will supply two squadrons of the J-10 fighter jet in a preliminary agreement that could lead to more sales to Pakistan in the future, said a Pakistani official.

The official said Pakistan might buy “larger numbers” of the multi-role aircraft in the future, but dismissed reports that Pakistan had inked a deal to buy as many as 150 of the fighter jets.

Defence experts described the agreement with China as a landmark event in Pakistan’s defence relationship with the growing military power. China’s transition from a manufacturer of low-fighters to more advanced jets comparable to some western models is seen as evidence of Beijing’s growing strategic clout in Asia.

“This agreement should not simply be seen in the narrow context of Pakistan’s relations with China,” said Abdul Qayyum, a retired Pakistani general.

“There is a wider dimension. By sharing its advanced technology with Pakistan, China is ... also saying to the world that its defence capability is growing rapidly.”

China has supplied Pakistan with fighter jets for more than three decades. But Beijing has seldom supplied Pakistan’s air force with advanced fighter aircraft. Islamabad turned to France for Mirage fighter jets in the 1970s and to the US for F-16s in the 1980s.

Pakistan has a fleet of 45 F-16s, which are built by Lockheed Martin. The Pakistani air force is using the fighter jet in its campaign against militants in South Waziristan. The US has agreed to sell Islamabad another 18 new F-16s and about a dozen older versions of the aircraft.

Over the past decade, China and Pakistan have collaborated on building their first jointly produced advanced fighter jet, known as the JF-17, or “Thunder”. Pakistan is expected to roll out the first domestically built version of the Thunder within weeks.

Pakistan’s air force plans to purchase at least 250 of the Thunder fighters over the next four to five years. Experts see the new Pakistani focus on China as a supplier of advanced fighters as evidence that Beijing is trying to expand its military power.

“Countries like Iran and possibly some of the Middle Eastern countries would be keen to deal with China if they can find technology which is comparable to the west,” said one western official in Islamabad.

“Pakistan will work as the laboratory to try out Chinese aircraft. If they work well with the Pakistani air force, others will follow.”​

FT.com / Asia-Pacific - Pakistan in Chinese fighter jet deal

 

[SBD-3]

China has agreed to sell Pakistan at least 36 advanced fighter jets in a landmark deal worth as much as $1.4bn, according to Pakistani and western officials.

Beijing will supply two squadrons of the J-10 fighter jet in a preliminary agreement that could lead to more sales to Pakistan in the future, said a Pakistani official.

The official said Pakistan might buy “larger numbers” of the multi-role aircraft in the future, but dismissed reports that Pakistan had inked a deal to buy as many as 150 of the fighter jets.

Defence experts described the agreement with China as a landmark event in Pakistan’s defence relationship with the growing military power. China’s transition from a manufacturer of low-fighters to more advanced jets comparable to some western models is seen as evidence of Beijing’s growing strategic clout in Asia.

“This agreement should not simply be seen in the narrow context of Pakistan’s relations with China,” said Abdul Qayyum, a retired Pakistani general.

“There is a wider dimension. By sharing its advanced technology with Pakistan, China is ... also saying to the world that its defence capability is growing rapidly.”

China has supplied Pakistan with fighter jets for more than three decades. But Beijing has seldom supplied Pakistan’s air force with advanced fighter aircraft. Islamabad turned to France for Mirage fighter jets in the 1970s and to the US for F-16s in the 1980s.

Pakistan has a fleet of 45 F-16s, which are built by Lockheed Martin. The Pakistani air force is using the fighter jet in its campaign against militants in South Waziristan. The US has agreed to sell Islamabad another 18 new F-16s and about a dozen older versions of the aircraft.

Over the past decade, China and Pakistan have collaborated on building their first jointly produced advanced fighter jet, known as the JF-17, or “Thunder”. Pakistan is expected to roll out the first domestically built version of the Thunder within weeks.

Pakistan’s air force plans to purchase at least 250 of the Thunder fighters over the next four to five years. Experts see the new Pakistani focus on China as a supplier of advanced fighters as evidence that Beijing is trying to expand its military power.

“Countries like Iran and possibly some of the Middle Eastern countries would be keen to deal with China if they can find technology which is comparable to the west,” said one western official in Islamabad.

“Pakistan will work as the laboratory to try out Chinese aircraft. If they work well with the Pakistani air force, others will follow.”​

FT.com / Asia-Pacific - Pakistan in Chinese fighter jet deal

Impressive article but two contradicting points

Defence experts described the agreement with China as a landmark event in Pakistan’s defence relationship with the growing military power. China’s transition from a manufacturer of low-fighters to more advanced jets comparable to some western models is seen as evidence of Beijing’s growing strategic clout in Asia.

and

China has supplied Pakistan with fighter jets for more than three decades. But Beijing has seldom supplied Pakistan’s air force with advanced fighter aircraft. Islamabad turned to France for Mirage fighter jets in the 1970s and to the US for F-16s in the 1980s.

Now PAF got vipers and mirages in 80s when China was busy with Mig-21s and Mig-19s.....As far as I know....Its more like two children learning how to play China comes with Manufacturing Exprience and PAF with western Technical Knowledge.............its a win win situation for both

 

[bighead]

But Beijing has seldom supplied Pakistan’s air force with advanced fighter aircraft

China did not have advanced fighter until recently

 

[Skywalker]

Impressive article but two contradicting points

and



Now PAF got vipers and mirages in 80s when China was busy with Mig-21s and Mig-19s.....As far as I know....Its more like two children learning how to play China comes with Manufacturing Exprience and PAF with western Technical Knowledge.............its a win win situation for both

Little bit of correction buddy...Pakistan recieved first of its mirages in 1969/70, so its either later sixties or early seventies. If you search the picture section on defence forum...you will find a picture posted by someone. There were around 22 mirages parked. This picture was first published 1971 after the 71 war where India initially claimed that they have shot down 6 mirages.

During 71 war Pakistan had 24 mirages, 22 of them can be seen in the picture, one was crashed prior to the war and one was damaged and parked in the repair hanger.

This was also confirmed by the flight International megazine.

 

[Windjammer]

China did not have advanced fighter until recently

It is worth remembering and mentioning that until early eighties, when the US sanctions were in full swing and the Mirages were being inducted in penny packets, the Chinese supplied F-6s were forming the back bone of the PAF, in fact the Air H.Q once described them as "the saving grace of PAF".!!!!!!!

 

[MZUBAIR]

We dont want 36, it shld be 136.

 

[Rank]

We dont want 36, it shld be 136.

Dear thats not good for us if we place order for 136. Without testing this aircraft in our country and our country weather and against other Aircrafts. No information related technology and quality both of J10 anywhere. F16 Mig etc are battle proven Fighters even in service of different countries since last 20-30 years. There is no J10 authentic information related its quality (Test) against any aircraft even on over A2A and A2G. So i think 36 are better for Today. When we see If the aircraft really meetup PAF requirements thn we will go for more.

Thanks,

 

[SBD-3]

China did not have advanced fighter until recently

That's exactly what i was trying to point out that PAF had good fighters perhaps better than those PRC was producing at that time so they didn't turned to PRC. It was western embargo that prompted Pakistan to go for F-7s.