Chengdu J-10 Multirole Fighter Air Craft News & Discussions

[gambit]

Thanks buddy... thats exactly what i am trying to say. China needs some time to improve its military technology "indigenously". Lets give china about 20-30 years and i can confidently say their technology will be par with western without even copying the way how they have really advanced. and like you have said about the GDP.. heck with that GDP even western companies would wana invest or even run away from their country to help china.
But to say that today china has mastered technology and are on par with west is no right.

That is based upon the assumption that the West will remain static, which is unlikely. I have said it elsewhere and I will repeat it here: That there is no such thing as 'military technology' but rather it is about the adoption and adaptation of technology to military uses. These adoptions and adaptations may occur ahead of civilian use perhaps due to special circumstances, such as war, but generally it is the civilian sector that will innovate. The US Dod DARPA organization does not produce anything but only provide funding and direction for projects and that relies upon the dynamicism of the civilian marketplace to make possible those projects. In this, as long as the US continues to fund these special projects, it is unlikely that China will achieve parity with US on the 'military technology' front.

 

[MZUBAIR]

Any idea who provide

-Nuclear subs to China to work from
-ICBMs to China to work from
-Anti Sat tech to China to work from
-Cruise Missiles to China to work from

Exactly....if they can develop those things then Y not AESA Radar.

 

[Arsalan]

Exactly....if they can develop those things then Y not AESA Radar.

the point is quite clear and simple to understand for those who want to!!

regards!

 

[PakShaheen79]

That is based upon the assumption that the West will remain static, which is unlikely. I have said it elsewhere and I will repeat it here: That there is no such thing as 'military technology' but rather it is about the adoption and adaptation of technology to military uses. These adoptions and adaptations may occur ahead of civilian use perhaps due to special circumstances, such as war, but generally it is the civilian sector that will innovate. The US Dod DARPA organization does not produce anything but only provide funding and direction for projects and that relies upon the dynamicism of the civilian marketplace to make possible those projects. In this, as long as the US continues to fund these special projects, it is unlikely that China will achieve parity with US on the 'military technology' front.

What if China also accelerate funding into defense projects more than US. If we look at last 10 years i think technological differences between US and China has decreased not increased. In 1980s China was busy with 3rd gen fighters whereas US had initiated 5th gen fighter programs... After 2000 we saw US just began inducting 5th gen fighters and China has also started work on them. It is still some 10 years behind but within next 5-7 years we will witness both US and China doing extensive R & D around 6th gen programs.

I think space is an area where US will enjoy technological edge for longer than aviation. Eurpoe and China will catch US in next decade in aviation but space is one place where there is no competitor for NASA; neither in East nor in West.

 

[a1b2c145]

that's the main key china can close the tech gap with the west in the shot period of time
guys i can promise you
in next ten years you will see less and less copy weapon made by china
the reason is innovation cost a lot more money than copy and improving.
from late 70s to last 90s we cut a lot our military budget to build our home town to do education to increase our GDP
and now we got the money and the technician to do innovation.
so thanks to deng xiao ping's reformation and opening policy
after 30 years we finally got the strength to play the game with the west.

play with wolfs,

you guys back up pakstain while US and russia will support us, we will win, play with money

 

[applesauce]

play with wolfs,

you guys back up pakstain while US and russia will support us, we will win, play with money

yes.... exactly...you keep thinking that us and russia will be with you forever

 

[applesauce]

That is based upon the assumption that the West will remain static, which is unlikely. I have said it elsewhere and I will repeat it here: That there is no such thing as 'military technology' but rather it is about the adoption and adaptation of technology to military uses. These adoptions and adaptations may occur ahead of civilian use perhaps due to special circumstances, such as war, but generally it is the civilian sector that will innovate. The US Dod DARPA organization does not produce anything but only provide funding and direction for projects and that relies upon the dynamicism of the civilian marketplace to make possible those projects. In this, as long as the US continues to fund these special projects, it is unlikely that China will achieve parity with US on the 'military technology' front.

actually no, assumptions that china in the military and financial front will be near the us by 2040-50 is not based on a static west, but rather based on current growth rates for both, by that time china's GDP will be much closer to the US than it is now and hence far more money to spend and with developed infrastructure, of course this is assuming nothing major happens to either side. thus meaning more money for R and D, with comparable number of researchers and similar facilities with large amounts of money the end result will be a department that will produce things rather than just copy. i do agree that the private sector have to take on the responsibility to innovate (they do it better) but there are efforts. right now the private sector is not up to the challenge due to lack of expertise and they cannot compete with western/military yet, private sectors generally also have a non-military side to them. but in time the government will start to encourage them, it is wide known that china likes to encourage their own companies, the passenger planes and civilian copters are just a start, they will have dual uses. all i can say is give it time, as far as i see it the direction is correct for now.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Russia is not happy with India since they back stabbed Russia and Took , Nuclear deal with US ...

I mean how can you backstab your best ally Russia , they have you all these air planes, and fighter training and missiles and you thanked them by ... taking deal from their cold war foe ?

Russian must be heart broken , and they need a true frind like China now .. and Pakistan

Reported On The Hindu : Front Page News : Wednesday, October 14, 2009
On the flight into Moscow, Indian officials had admitted to a “sense of drifting away on both sides.” It was only a perception, they hastened to add, yet they had no answers to why such a perception must undermine a relationship they said was strong and based on high levels of trust. The unease was evident in Moscow too, with the intelligentsia — the media, security analysts, policy wonks, etc., — nearly unanimous that India-Russia relations, never the same after the break up of the Soviet Union, had suffered more recently from India’s “obsessive” engagement of the United States, and Russia, in turn looking elsewhere to consolidate its business and strategic interests.[/I]

Russia + China + Pakistan (The new Mega Powers?) who would have imagined it 20 years ago , day would come when Russia would give Pakistan engines for JF17 THUNDER

 

[MZUBAIR]

play with wolfs,

you guys back up pakstain while US and russia will support us, we will win, play with money

US is with for his concerns.
U dont have any western technology except Mirage 2K.

Lockhead refused u to support in LCA.

US friendship only depends on its intrust.

 

[Arsalan]

well it is quite foolish to think that you can tie up russia and US in one relationship. i agree that it is money that talks for india but still making an alliance including Russia and US joining together is easier siad then done. also keep that in mind that China Russian and Pakistan seem o be a more practicle option then Russia US and India!

regards!

 

[PakShaheen79]

I think decision of MMRCA will be a very tough to take for Indian government as well. Western options, US options and Russian option... Which one to take and which one to leave.

 

[SBD-3]

I think decision of MMRCA will be a very tough to take for Indian government as well. Western options, US options and Russian option... Which one to take and which one to leave.

I think the real competition is between US and Russia.Cuz there has to be one choice either switch to US for tech, or to stay on board with Russia. West doesn't stand much chance

 

[PakShaheen79]

I think the real competition is between US and Russia.Cuz there has to be one choice either switch to US for tech, or to stay on board with Russia. West doesn't stand much chance

But I think in given circumstances West has biggest probability as India will make both Russian and US understand that they will buy more from them later on keeping both of them with India.
But I think right now it is very difficult for India to ignore US. Strategically, politically and technically it will be a very tough decision to take.

 

[SBD-3]

yap agreed its more of a political than technical decision

 

[Wingman]

What if China also accelerate funding into defense projects more than US. If we look at last 10 years i think technological differences between US and China has decreased not increased. In 1980s China was busy with 3rd gen fighters whereas US had initiated 5th gen fighter programs... After 2000 we saw US just began inducting 5th gen fighters and China has also started work on them. It is still some 10 years behind but within next 5-7 years we will witness both US and China doing extensive R & D around 6th gen programs.

I think space is an area where US will enjoy technological edge for longer than aviation. Eurpoe and China will catch US in next decade in aviation but space is one place where there is no competitor for NASA; neither in East nor in West.

In my opinion China will hold world economy in coming decade, the reason is that Chian has launched its cheap product by careful analysis of the countries infact they introduced products in relation to the buying power of the people, for every social set up of every country... In pakistan every where China da Maal is being sold it seems that in Eid ul Azha, Chinese Bakraaz will be introduced..