Chengdu J-10 Multirole Fighter Air Craft News & Discussions

[Gandhi G in da house]

Don't know if it is true but suggession have been made that the recent announcement for a squadron of J-10B may very well be in addition to 32 J-10b/FC-20 that Pakistan will purchase. Per my friends, they cannot confirm the news now but the rumor is heard in PAF circles. If true, numbers of FC-20 will increase to 48.

Wonder how Pakistan will pay for all this, but sources insist that China will help in this regard as it is still cheaper for China to make such investment, keeping IAF divided on two fronts and reduce the possibilty of a confrontation with India that may cost 100s of time more.

Sir can you please elaborate the second part ? How will Pakistan having more fighters give india divided on more fronts ? And how does China benefit from that ?

 

[Kompromat]

Sir can you please elaborate the second part ? How will Pakistan having more fighters give india divided on more fronts ? And how does China benefit from that ?

In a two front war as your Generals dream about , divided strengths both in Pakistan and China will render Indian numerical superiority to next to zero. Understand ?

 

[ziaulislam]

india would nt go at war with china if Pakistan front has atleast 1/3 capablities to india..i thought its a simple fact

more importantly china knows that india if have a chance will go at war with Pakistan (just like 71).the purpose of such a war will be to swiftly take northern areas without creating international pressure (its a disputed area) and Pakistani nuke weapons response(too quick, too effective)..
this would be a diaster for china , as for china the Pakistani sea route is vital for its future development of western china

for such a cause a few billion dollars is nothing..china is giving ore AID to african countries..

anyway most of its soft loan..we are expected to pay it back..once economy recovers


in past Pakistan has payed for its equipment in just a recent downfall in economy due to multiple factors like earthquake,floods.terrorism and stupid govt..things can reverse very quickly..
the whole accusation prog is less than 5 billion dollars (jf-17/j-10) Pakistan payed for 4 billion dollars from 2004-2007 to sweden,america and Ukraine etc for airforce so if econmy is going good it isnt a big sum

 

[SBD-3]

In a two front war as your Generals dream about , divided strengths both in Pakistan and China will render Indian numerical superiority to next to zero. Understand ?

Its not necessarily a war oriented doctrine....Another purpose may be to Increase the size of Indian military machine to such extent that it starts to bleed the economy. Having high tech stuff on both sides mean equally heavy investments to be done to counter both sides...more money...more strain...more size...and more future needs because once the military complex gets bigger...it can only grow upward....

 

[pshamim]

Sir can you please elaborate the second part ? How will Pakistan having more fighters give india divided on more fronts ? And how does China benefit from that ?

Nick, Aeronaut and Zia have answered your question.

But if you look at Chinese strategy, it really does not cost China much. Chinese and Pakistanis have intense negoatiations on purchase price. By donating a squadron, it does bring down the price of 32 J-10 by 1/3rd without a price reduction.
Moreever all this money ends up in China and not somewhere else.

 

[pshamim]

Its not necessarily a war oriented doctrine....Another purpose may be to Increase the size of Indian military machine to such extent that it starts to bleed the economy. Having high tech stuff on both sides mean equally heavy investments to be done to counter both sides...more money...more strain...more size...and more future needs because nce the military complex gets bigger...it can only grow upward....

very true,
India has always felt secure when the parity is 3 to one in its favor. As the numbers increase in Pakistani , India has to raise its numbers 3 fold. Never ending cat and mouse game is definitely frustrating for India.

 

[Yeti]

very true,
India has always felt secure when the parity is 3 to one in its favor. As the numbers increase in Pakistani , India has to raise its numbers 3 fold. Never ending cat and mouse game is definitely frustrating for India.

No we have 2 fronts to think of nothing to do with 3:1 parity with Pakistan

 

[Yeti]

Pakistan is not in our minds now we can handle PAF if there was a future war.

280 sukhoi mki's (super 30 upgrade)
51 Mirages (being upgraded)
69 Mig 29's (upgraded)

+ MRCA in the next few years will be enough to maintain both our western and eastern fronts

 

[SBD-3]

No we have 2 fronts to think of nothing to do with 3:1 parity with Pakistan

No in even the most recent footage about the depletion of IAF squadrons...the top brass ex and recent professionals were talking about one thing...numerical superiority.....Its been the mindset of Indian Military Machine....However, it can be sustained to a limit.....and with Indian military complex is now virtually running toward this as we witness humongous military expenditure being done by Indian Military....for every dollar spent by Pakistan..a 3 dollar or more expenditure is made by India to maintain the cushion...from Chinese policy making, it is a good strategy to accelerate the process by investing in Pakistani military complex....A similar approach is also in initial stages with Srilanka and very soon we may also see it with Bangladesh...1 million Spent by Chinese over there drains out around 3 million from India...not a bad strategy at all, i must say

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

Nick, Aeronaut and Zia have answered your question.

But if you look at Chinese strategy, it really does not cost China much. Chinese and Pakistanis have intense negoatiations on purchase price. By donating a squadron, it does bring down the price of 32 J-10 by 1/3rd without a price reduction.
Moreever all this money ends up in China and not somewhere else.

Ok but i don't think there will be a two fornt war with Chipak . That possibility is almost nil . why would China intervene if an indo-pak war happens ?

And as Zia said , o don't think india wants the northern areas from Pak . We have never tried to take it from Pak . India is happy with its part of kashmir and wants status-quo , that is the unofficial stand .

 

[SBD-3]

Pakistan is not in our minds now we can handle PAF if there was a future war.

280 sukhoi mki's (super 30 upgrade)
51 Mirages (being upgraded)
69 Mig 29's (upgraded)

+ MRCA in the next few years will be enough to maintain both our western and eastern fronts

280 sukhoi mki's (super 30 upgrade) 142 operational till now....and yes super 30 upgrade is precisely what i am talking about...stress the military machine
51 Mirages (being upgraded) again huge amount of money being spent on platforms which would not see a frontline service...(French would be jumping in Joy)
69 Mig 29's (upgraded) again investment on a fighter which is not a front liner.....

 

[Nitin Goyal]

^^^ what u have to counter them ?

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

No in even the most recent footage about the depletion of IAF squadrons...the top brass ex and recent professionals were talking about one thing...numerical superiority.....Its been the mindset of Indian Military Machine....However, it can be sustained to a limit.....and with Indian military complex is now virtually running toward this as we witness humongous military expenditure being done by Indian Military....for every dollar spent by Pakistan..a 3 dollar or more expenditure is made by India to maintain the cushion...from Chinese policy making, it is a good strategy to accelerate the process by investing in Pakistani military complex....A similar approach is also in initial stages with Srilanka and very soon we may also see it with Bangladesh...1 million Spent by Chinese over there drains out around 3 million from India...not a bad strategy at all, i must say

Indian military budget is as it is 5-6 times that of pakistan in absolute numbers .

About bangladesh and sri lanka , india feels no threat for them as we have no major disputes. Sound a bit far-fetched .But yeah investing in Pakistani military one can understand .

 

[pshamim]

If you closely look, it does not cost Chinese Government much to raise the anxiety level of India. Even if they donate 16 aircrafts, they subsidize 33% of the cost. But it keeps the money in China, keep the workers and factories busy, and maintain job levels. How long can Indians keep making 10s of billion dollars deals to answer the increased threat perception from Pakistan. mind you that Indians have felt secure if the parity is 3 to one in its favour. They cannot win against Pakistan 1 to 1.

Seems like a smart poker game started by Chinese. If China keeps playing, we may see a lot more various systems that we cannot otherwise buy due to the related prohibitive cost

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

280 sukhoi mki's (super 30 upgrade) 142 operational till now....and yes super 30 upgrade is precisely what i am talking about...stress the military machine
51 Mirages (being upgraded) again huge amount of money being spent on platforms which would not see a frontline service...(French would be jumping in Joy)
69 Mig 29's (upgraded) again investment on a fighter which is not a front liner.....

You think a few billion dollars over a period of many years will bleed the Indian economy ? dude indian economy is going to be worth 2 trillion next year growing 8-9 % each year . We already have foreign reserves worth 310 billion dollars .

Building strength in fine but instead of hurting the indian economy these latest purchases by Pakistan may end up hurting pakistani economy more .