Chengdu J-10 Multirole Fighter Air Craft News & Discussions

[Akasa]

J-10B confirmed upgrades, which are a pretty good match for the likes of the Rafale:
- AESA radar with 1152 channels
- Possible change to WS-10B 132 kN engine in future batches
- one ton reduction in weight due to composites
- new cockpit
- solid state electronics
- application of RAM extensively to body and canopy
- ECM upgrades
- IRST
- DSI
- some level of sensor unification

 

[cirr]

J-10B painted grey 27.02.2014：

 

[nomi007]

 

[MastanKhan]

military is just a attachement to politics. Try to think if Pakistan buying F-35 incase of having war with India, Idian will know every single secret and reference of the plane, then it sure will be shot down by MKI nomatter how advaced it is. And it's very tough to replenish components and parts during wars, especially doing business with trick uncle Sam. What pakitan need is stable supply , not the most advanced plane in the word. As to my point of view, F-35 is a expensive toy for Pakistan in practial regional conflict.

Hi,

That was a very poor analysis----a total lack of understamding the psyche of american defence industry---. It would be opver the dead body of the american defence indutry that the indians will get any secrets---.

There is no way an american defence contractor would see an american air dominance fighter or strike aircraft taken out by a russian aircraft---.

Pigs have a better chance of flying than the secrets of F35 being divulged to india---.

 

[nomi007]

 

[nomi007]

image of the day

 

[nomi007]

arrest landing gear

 

[Hammad-ROX]

BBC NEWS | South Asia | India nuclear test 'did not work'



I rest my case on this point




There is a difference between front line aircrafts and the likes of jaguars or Mig-21's which serve as strike fighters and interceptors ---- IAF's front line aircrafts are the M2k's, Mig-29's and SU-30 MKI's

on the other hand PAF has 50 odd JF-17's 45 F-16 A/B's and 18 F-16 Block 50/52's serving as front line aircrafts -- F-7 P/PG basically serve as interceptors while Mirages basically are dedicated towards strike role.

That makes IAF 270 odd front liners versus PAF's 110 odd front line aircrafts a ratio of 1 : 2.45 amongst the lowest in history when it comes to numerical figures ----




LOL! so India's size is bigger that means more area to protect --- Dont tell me IAF is going to field all the strength near PAF's borders while leaving China alone --- as for nukes ---

This is what your scientists say about your delivery systems

India's nuclear arsenal failed by 'unreliable' missiles : India, News - India Today






P.S YOU SHOULD LEAVE THESE TOPICS AS THEY ARE NOT RELATED TO THE THREAD ___ OTHERWISE YOU MAY GET BOTH OUR ***** BANNED!

Hi Ahmed

 

[nomi007]

FINALLY REVELED ISRAELI INVOLVEMENT IN J-10

Build Your Own Conspiracy Theory Of The Day: Chinese delegation right in front of a Lavi-prototype, mid 1980s.

 

[Luftwaffe]

FINALLY REVELED ISRAELI INVOLVEMENT IN J-10

Build Your Own Conspiracy Theory Of The Day: Chinese delegation right in front of a Lavi-prototype, mid 1980s.

So a delegation proves China got hands on LAVI project? I doubt so personally but lets make another conspiracy soup if LAVI project was bought by China why was J-10A not on par with F-16, as much as we know LAVI was a competitor to F-16A. In its form LAVI could have replaced many F-7s instead it became a medium class J-10A from light class and deployed towards 1998-2000 on wards. What could have been the technical difficulties? with complete TOT things gets much organized. Let add another conspiracy is it israel that is not allowing China to sell J-10B to Pakistan.

 

[graphican]

I think too many people look at range, payload and other technical aspect of J-10 compare to JF-17 but complete miss the most important aspect of PLAAF choosing J-10 compare to JF-17.

Manoeuvrability.

J-10 is nearly scrapped by PLAAF as they do not see any advantage of J-10 compare to the J-11A(Su-27) until a real live combat exercise was organised of fights between J-10A vs J-11A. The J-11A(Su-27) was completely mauled in WVR with J-10A. PLAAF top brass agreed fully support of J-10 program. J-10A is a class above even the legendary F-16 in terms of agility. Which is the massive reason why JF-17 never gets inducted by PLAAF.

Hi Beast and respected PDF Members,

Pakistan will be facing same challenges which China would face from India. China gained its confidence on J-10s from the exercise you mentioned above. Are you aware of any exercise where PAF tested JF-17s against SU-27 or SU-30s and which is giving PAF its confidence? From the news we hear, PAF may not procure J-10s... so what giving PAF its confidence and making it drop an entire platform in the favor of JF-17 blocks?

 

[The SC]

Most probably because Pakistan got involved in the J-31, and the need of the future will be for this platform that will integrate well with the J-20.
J-10B is a potent 4++fighter, no doubt about it, China plans up to a thousand for its Air Forces, but a fifth generation fighter is the call of the hour and Pakistan not to be left behind is planing ahead.
Also 2 squadrons of J-10B for pakistan is a possibility, although PAF might go for 2 squadrons of used f-16s from somewhere and MLUs them.

J-31

J-20

J-10B

 

[Luftwaffe]

Most probably because Pakistan got involved in the J-31, and the need of the future will be for this platform that will integrate well with the J-20.
J-10B is a potent 4++fighter, no doubt about it, China plans up to a thousand for its Air Forces, but a fifth generation fighter is the call of the hour and Pakistan not to be left behind is planing ahead.
Also 2 squadrons of J-10B for pakistan is a possibility, although PAF might go for 2 squadrons of used f-16s from somewhere and MLUs them.

J-31, J-20, J-10B

Doubtful if China would go/deploy 1000s J-31/project 310. Countries like China and Russia are capable to show posture and strike back US and Europe although Air Dominance has its value over all it won't win you the World War when it comes to powers like China and Russia the only retaliation in the end would be MAD. So the mix of Fleet from Flankers/J-11/J-15/J-16, J-10A/B?, J-20s and J-31s have their sets of Capabilities. 2400 F-35s is just making more money for Generals and Investors any strikes by F-35s inside Russia [if not China] would only end up by a gift of Nuke either War shall cease or MAD would take place.

Pakistan is not involved in Project 310 on any level.

 

[Beast]

Hi Beast and respected PDF Members,

Pakistan will be facing same challenges which China would face from India. China gained its confidence on J-10s from the exercise you mentioned above. Are you aware of any exercise where PAF tested JF-17s against SU-27 or SU-30s and which is giving PAF its confidence? From the news we hear, PAF may not procure J-10s... so what giving PAF its confidence and making it drop an entire platform in the favor of JF-17 blocks?

Maintenance nightmare of 2 different platform. PAF do not have the budget of China. And don't forget. China is the creator of both JF-17 and J-10. China know what is the best of both planes.

 

[The SC]

Doubtful if China would go/deploy 1000s J-31/project 310. Countries like China and Russia are capable to show posture and strike back US and Europe although Air Dominance has its value over all it won't win you the World War when it comes to powers like China and Russia the only retaliation in the end would be MAD. So the mix of Fleet from Flankers/J-11/J-15/J-16, J-10A/B?, J-20s and J-31s have their sets of Capabilities. 2400 F-35s is just making more money for Generals and Investors any strikes by F-35s inside Russia [if not China] would only end up by a gift of Nuke either War shall cease or MAD would take place.

Pakistan is not involved in Project 310 on any level.

Talking about up to athousand J-10B, read the post carefully.
According to some sources Pakistanis are involved in Project 310 on some level.(not sure)