Chengdu J-10 Multirole Fighter Air Craft News & Discussions

[Glitcher]

well why not both of them we cant stay with only 1 type of air craft JFT's , J10b's , and 5th Gen J31 why cant be all of them

 

[Storm Force]

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well why not both of them we cant stay with only 1 type of air craft JFT's , J10b's , and 5th Gen J31 why cant be all of them

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakistan-air-force/3218-j-10-fc-20-mrca-432.html#ixzz2KznFsTxm

For the same reason you cant have AIRCRAFT CARRIERS , NUCLEAR SUBMARINES & TYPHOONS /RAFALES.

Because they cost $BILLIONS $$$$44 SOMETHING that pakistan as a severe hanidicap in ...

COMPROMISE is what PAF have conducted for 70 years by being SMART with limited resources.

YOU ONLY HAVE limited FUNDS and THE THREAT is magnifying signifcantly from YOUR EAST

1. You go for FC20 IN 2015 -2019 AND ANSWER rafale threat cost you $5 billion

OR

2. you wait unti 2020 AND get the J31 stealth fighter for $7billion and answer both the RAFALE & FGFA threat at the same time.

WHICH IS BETTER ????

 

[Glitcher]

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For the same reason you cant have AIRCRAFT CARRIERS , NUCLEAR SUBMARINES & TYPHOONS /RAFALES.

Because they cost $BILLIONS $$$$44 SOMETHING that pakistan as a severe hanidicap in ...

COMPROMISE is what PAF have conducted for 70 years by being SMART with limited resources.

YOU ONLY HAVE limited FUNDS and THE THREAT is magnifying signifcantly from YOUR EAST

1. You go for FC20 IN 2015 -2019 AND ANSWER rafale threat cost you $5 billion

OR

2. you wait unti 2020 AND get the J31 stealth fighter for $7billion and answer both the RAFALE & FGFA threat at the same time.

WHICH IS BETTER ????

Got it Sir Thanx

 

[Najam Khan]

For the same reason you cant have AIRCRAFT CARRIERS , NUCLEAR SUBMARINES & TYPHOONS /RAFALES.

Because they cost $BILLIONS $$$$44 SOMETHING that pakistan as a severe hanidicap in ...

COMPROMISE is what PAF have conducted for 70 years by being SMART with limited resources.

YOU ONLY HAVE limited FUNDS and THE THREAT is magnifying signifcantly from YOUR EAST

WHICH IS BETTER ????

In simple words, Pakistan can never afford attition warfare (where as India can). Pakistan knows that it will never be be able to catch up with India's conventional weapons; therefore it puts its Nuclear and weapons program in the equation to balance out the odds. This discussion would take us way far from the topic, but that is how this whole equation is fairly balanced (which I'm sure you don't see ).

 

[Storm Force]

NAJAM.

The question is simply this ..

SHOULD PAF buy THE fc20 and use significant FUNDS for this programme prehaps $4billion over 5-7 years beginning say 2015 running until 2022.

OR OR BETTER STIL in some eyes.

SAVE THE $4 BILLION

ANS buy the J31 fifth gen fighter prehaps 5 years later say 2020 running until 2028 AND COSTING SAY $7 BILLION for 80+ fighters.

ITS A TOUGH CALL AND DEPENDS IMO on

how good OR INDEED how bad is the JF17 can it hold the IAF of todat and next 5-7 years until 2020. ???

ARE THE F16S really vulnerable to sanctions OR can we sqeeze (paf) get another 18 or so block 52s) from USA .

OR DO PAF HAVE NO OPTION thety have to get FC20

 

[Gentelman]

I asked this earlier as well and I still think the J10 would have offered PAF a better basline plattform, the answers I got from senior Pakistani members was, that China didn't offered a partnership in this project, only in JF17. That might have been a blow back then, but at this point, JF17 fullfils everything PAF wants from a baseline fighter, while the difference in performance is not that big anymore to invest in J10 now, especially with the prospect of NG fighters in future.
The doctrine can't be a reason btw, because you can operate even an F22 with a defensive doctrine, only for air defence reasons, so that has nothing to do with the selection of a fighter.

JF-17 was derived fron project Sabre....
moreover JF-17 is much cost effective...
just 20-25 mln$....
while J-10 price is much higher..
JF-17 is ment to replace F7,Mairages,A-5 etc..
while if J-10 was slected to replace all of them it would be very much expansive with a little advantage....
well all due to economic reasons...
and J-10 wasnot looking impressive till chinese got help fron Lavi project by israel...

NAJAM.

The question is simply this ..

SHOULD PAF buy THE fc20 and use significant FUNDS for this programme prehaps $4billion over 5-7 years beginning say 2015 running until 2022.

OR OR BETTER STIL in some eyes.

SAVE THE $4 BILLION

ANS buy the J31 fifth gen fighter prehaps 5 years later say 2020 running until 2028 AND COSTING SAY $7 BILLION for 80+ fighters.

ITS A TOUGH CALL AND DEPENDS IMO on

how good OR INDEED how bad is the JF17 can it hold the IAF of todat and next 5-7 years until 2020. ???

ARE THE F16S really vulnerable to sanctions OR can we sqeeze (paf) get another 18 or so block 52s) from USA .

OR DO PAF HAVE NO OPTION thety have to get FC20

wts up man??
agreement for 36 J-10 was signed long ago for 2014-15....
wt about it??
it was also approved frm here...

 

[ahussains]

Hello every one after a very long time site is change too

 

[araz]

As many posters pointed out earlier, jf-17 should have been designed as a medium weight fighter to begin with [which raises the question of why paf not entered the j10 program] ,medium weight jf17 of which we could have made several blocks based on technological complexity -- or in my case, I raised some questions back in 2009 that we should have had invested in the j10 project --I had raised the questions as to why paf would be getting 3 different platforms [f16,jf17,j10] in the 4.5 gen category? What political/military decisions were questionable?The answer was having financial constraints and a defensive doctrine

Now we still need to get an high end fighter, take into consideration our economy but also look at the realistic time frame of j31's production--- We cant afford to waste another decade by staying idle in hopes of getting a mature j31 platform but we cant use all our resources on 4.5 gen fighters either -- The question is time frame
http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakist...e-invested-more-j-10s-rather-than-jf-17s.html

What PAF did was exactly what it should have done. You cant run before you have learnt to walk. J10 design is complex and as people can remember took a lot of time to evolve. PAF needed a easy to make and maintain low priced fighted jet which provides it a manageable fighter that it can learn and establish itsindustry on. J10 was the pride of Chinaand I am not sure thay would have wanted input from PAF.

 

[zxmint]

Totally agree with you, especially the former part of your words. Pakistan should develop its own fighter industry, just like what you did in the JF17 project. You can never build a truly strong defend force by purchasing weapons.That is what we Chinese learned in this two centuries. And it always take time to seize such a high end tech. SO just be patient.

 

[Glitcher]

Totally agree with you, especially the former part of your words. Pakistan should develop its own fighter industry, just like what you did in the JF17 project. You can never build a truly strong defend force by purchasing weapons.That is what we Chinese learned in this two centuries. And it always take time to seize such a high end tech. SO just be patient.

more over we are free of sanctions also

 

[Manticore]

old novi avion stealthy version project of the 90s

Some say that the concepts involved in fighter projects by Romania [iar9x]and Jugoslavija [novi avion] were actually realised and polished in china, in the form of jf-17 & j10

 

[Manticore]

Early artist concept of the J-10 with a round inlet like the F-16

 

[Luftwaffe]

Isn't the Project Novi Avion dead in mid 90's.

 

[Gentelman]

@ANTIBODY so what is final news about J-10 induction??
i heard deal was signed and induction will start in 2014-15..
what's final about PAF and J-10s and was deal signed or it was a rumor which was badely spread around?

 

[Manticore]

@ANTIBODY so what is final news about J-10 induction??
i heard deal was signed and induction will start in 2014-15..
what's final about PAF and J-10s and was deal signed or it was a rumor which was badely spread around?

hoping against hope with no idea of whats gonna happen - getting conflicting insider news and nothing good has come of the current government anyway