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Charleston church shooting: Who is Dylann Roof?

This bastard was shitting in his diapers when apartheid racist regime of S. Africa was overthrown in 1994

what a scum bag, living in some 17th century slave-master mentality

rather than lecture other countries about intolerance and violence - it's time for the US to look within and solve its internal problems
 
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Then you can you please provide some insight on the factors on why FATA was a peaceful region before 9/11. I know that Govt. writ was non-existent but there was no militancy and suicide attacks even though I read that there were presence of foreigners as well as a considerable population of Afghan refugees. Therefore don't you think that the point of cultural heritage and customs etc contributing to militancy is not valid here since you can argue that the very same tribals were living peacefully before 9/11.
Well, FATA was never peaceful, this is kind of a lullaby or a folk lore that we are made to listen during all this time (1947-2001). The GoP had no writ in FATA, as you said, and a sole political agent used to represent the Federal government. In essence, FATA, until present operation, was only part of Pakistan in name, and was otherwise governed and ruled by the tribal elders. As I mentioned earlier, FATA has always and exclusively thrived on war economy, if the war was not in Afghanistan, it was fought within FATA, among the tribes on petty issues, land disputes, honor killings and so forth. What was happening in FATA never came out, no media presence, only through the reports by the political agent, and reports were not made public. So it is not correct to assume that FATA was peaceful pre 9/11. It was wild wild west (actually north west) of Pakistan with no law enforcement, no law, no judiciary nothing. This is no secret that all sorts of criminals, murderers, and smugglers would find refuge (of-course in return of some 'favors') in those areas for once in FATA, they were effectively beyond the reach of the state. Motor vehicles were (still) stolen from every part of Pakistan and smuggled into FATA to get the engine and chassis numbers removed, and re-sold either in Afghanistan or Pakistan. Darra Adam Khel was (perhaps till today) the largest illegal weapon manufacturing/smuggling hub. All these are but the signs of a territory where there is no such thing as law. So militancy was always there but suicide attacks was a later phenomena which, again, was devised not to target FATA but rest of Pakistan.

Post 9/11 things got drastically changed and I agree that the influx of Afghan insurgents made things worse but who were these insurgents? were they a mixture of foreign fighters and locals together or only locals...?
Now this is the crucial question. They were foreigners such as Arabs, Tajiks, Uzbeks and there were so-called 'locals'. Now do we really have a definition of 'locals'? Local of where? of Afghanistan or of Pakistan? Problem is, people living across the Durand's line never recognized this line as an international border and continued to consider region across the Durand's line as one land. Hence, they freely moved across the Durand's line, no Passport or visa. Since the families lived in this fashion across the line, they were/are both Afghan and Pakistani and at the same time vice versa. When insurgents moved into FATA, they never thought or considered they were outside Afghanistan, since for them Afghanistan includes all Pakistan. Same is the approach of most of Pakistani Pashtoon who think Pakistan is nothing but Afghanistan that was artificially carved out by the British. They never apposed the influx of Afghans and they never will. Things are very complicate here and unless Pashtoon of Pakistan begin to consider themselves as Pakistanis, and their relatives across the border as Afghans, things wont change for good.
 
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Does this explain why we as a nation are generally tolerant towards terrorism? or more specifically why people of FATA/KPK allowed terrorists to establish bases in their lands or elsewhere? and did not wake up (many are still asleep) un till the fire reached to their own houses (APS, Peshawar)? Human psychology is very complicated.

Our incompetence, on nearly every level is not.
 
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@jhungary
Thanks for giving a brief on definitions of Terrorism. So I reckon this act of Mr. Dylann Roof does not impact US policy so cannot be labeled as a terrorist act. But do you think that if this would have been done by a Muslim the portrayal on the media and alike would by 180 degrees different?
 
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Are you aware how much of USA scientific and economic drive is fueled by foreigners .
How much ? I want hard data.

I want data to show that non-whites disproportionally out-think, out-innovate, and out-produce whites in America. Not only that, I want those data to be peer reviewed by reputable scientific authorities. Am not interested in anecdotal testimonies or personal opinions.
 
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Blacks, white or asian - whi gives a fcuk?

Its usually ignorance that motivates savage behaviour. Some cultures are more ignorant than others but culture is not race.

America has a retarded gun culture. Im kinda a pacifist, I dont eat meat because I cant even stand animals getting killed. But if I lived in the states I would buy a gun. Several guns. And god forbids of i have a really shityty day and have a bunch of guns at my disposal.

Well if I was anywhere near you I would run, run, run Forest Gump style .....
 
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@jhungary
Thanks for giving a brief on definitions of Terrorism. So I reckon this act of Mr. Dylann Roof does not impact US policy so cannot be labeled as a terrorist act. But do you think that if this would have been done by a Muslim the portrayal on the media and alike would by 180 degrees different?


if it was done in the name of Allah then yes it would be called terrorism.

this was a hate crime from a kid brainwashed by the media and his environment.
 
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@jhungary
Thanks for giving a brief on definitions of Terrorism. So I reckon this act of Mr. Dylann Roof does not impact US policy so cannot be labeled as a terrorist act. But do you think that if this would have been done by a Muslim the portrayal on the media and alike would by 180 degrees different?

Depend on which media outlet you are talking about.

General media label anything terrorism just to sell story, their scope. They would much rather label that first and then apologise later when they got it wrong, that way they sell the edition that blame the person or people involved terrorist, and they also sell the edition to which they apologise for their error.

No media outlet is "unbiased", hawkish media will label Muslim terrorist every time they sneeze, social media will say whites and hawk are terrorist whatever they do, and liberal media simply label anything terrorist...

But then this is probably more important, because all kind of voices just balanced out.
 
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But then this is probably more important, because all kind of voices just balanced out.
Don't you think the saner voices are diminishing as the time progresses and in place more right wing voices are monopolizing the scene.

if it was done in the name of Allah then yes it would be called terrorism.

But what if the Muslim guy had done this due to shear hatred towards blacks as a racial group and he himself was in his daily routine NOT a practicing Muslim, I guess where I am getting at is if a white Christian (I mean who follows the Bible to the letter) have done something similar would he be labeled as terrorist?
 
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To some extent yes; but I would not make a blanket statement to include the "whole nation". Respectfully can I put forward a scenario in-front of you.

Let say I am a 9 year old boy who lived all his life in FATA with his siblings and family and my childhood days were not much different to any other ordinary village household of Pashtun heritage. But one dreadful morning I woke up to this unfathomed reality that my home was targeted by drone strike and all of my family members are dead.

What goes in the mind of that kid; can you put on his shoes for a moment and try to think what he had felt Syed bhai...now if you take my side will you be regarded as a "terrorist sympathizer" or a normal human being knowing the real background of this event; do you need to be related to me to feel my pain or you have to belong to Pushtun tribe for that matter? There are countless incidents like I mentioned (obviously excluding the ones in which the intelligence given is correct and the intended target is targeted).
and then the child grows to become a suicide bomber and detonates himself in a mosque/market/dargah etc etc tin a place far from his village (lahore, karachi etc) and kills scores of the innocents people makes many other 9 years old orphan. revenge taken so far so good. My question does this incident also gives license to kill to the families members of those dead in explosion or is this license reserved only for Pushtuns or other specail groups. As per my knowledge i am yet to witness some one from Lahore or karachi going into NWFP/FATA tribal village and kill the villagers to take revenge.

Also do the comparative analysis of no of persons killed in American Drone attacks and those killed by Jihadist attack and determine who really should be taking revenge. @Irfan Baloch
 
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System error: the word or file titled extremist or terrorist not found due to being non muslim.
 
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I wonder how easy it was for some racist nuthead like this monster to get his hands on a firearm....
 
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How much ? I want hard data.

I want data to show that non-whites disproportionally out-think, out-innovate, and out-produce whites in America. Not only that, I want those data to be peer reviewed by reputable scientific authorities. Am not interested in anecdotal testimonies or personal opinions.
well I never enter the white non white discussion my argument is about immigrant non immigrant and according to some studies 25% of USA scientific force are the people who borne outside USA intresting part is 49% of mid level scientific force in USA are foreign born people.
http://www.psmag.com/nature-and-technology/immigrants-make-american-science-great-75166

and 25.3% of USA companies are founded by let say not Americans
Skilled, Educated Immigrants Contribute Significantly to U.S. Economy | Duke Today

now you answer me what percentage of American are foreign born people?
 
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