Centre puts bombs before birds – UPA missile testing policy for Andamans reversed

[Echo_419]

Crazy to think these idiots were in charge of India until recently.

He freely admits his decision compromises national security and yet he does it anyway-shameless.

This is bordering on traitorous behaviour.....

Fuckin traitors

 

[Abingdonboy]

Been there , seen the habitat of that region, I seriously feel pain and would not support this. There are many barren lands try those for your practice tests or make artificial practice mounts floating on sea and do the tests. Why do they want to damage the fragile environment of those pristine islands. I dont mind testing some of these missiles on houses of dumb *** politicians houses too.

On one hand govt doesnt allow locals and tourists to visit these islands saying that it will affect the ecology and on other hand they use it as there testing grounds is outright rubbish.

Send those people who signed the document to those islands, let there eyes see what exists there and can they find same somewhere else on the planet to replicate it.

West with billions of dollars have not been able to restore back anything that they have damaged, its hard time we learn it and protect what we have for the future generations.

The entire A&N islands are not about to become uninhabitable, the IN will simply use a few of the uninhabited islands for their training purposes, the rest of the islands will be completely untouched.

Anyway, the IN is going to be using these islands to test conventional weaponry, I don't see how this will lead to the extinction of any form of wildlife- the occasional missile hit is not going to do much damage to the ecology at all.

How about Lakshadweep Islands? IAF also uses them for ground attacks/bombing targets in mock combat drills.

As pointed out in the article bro, this isn't an option because of the proximity of the Lakshadweep islands and major shipping routes.


The very fact the IN have been unable to meet their annual prattle allowance for the past few years should send a chill down one's spine and should point out there is no viable alternative. Many sat behind keyboards might be quick to start throwing up alternatives but don't you think the IN, a professional service who are not exactly in the business of intentionally damaging wildlife, would have exhausted every alternative and if there was an adequate substitute to these islands would be using them as we speak?

 

[longewala]

Who cares about natural species that may never return again.. lets fire them bombs and guns.

First care about the human beings who are murdered, raped or driven homeless because they are minority Hindus, Sikhs, Bangladeshis or ahmadiyas, then express your faux concern for "natural species"

 

[Shabz Nist]

I cannot in good conscience support this stupidity. Loss of a species is permanent. There is no coming back.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Crazy to think these idiots were in charge of India until recently.

He freely admits his decision compromises national security and yet he does it anyway-shameless.

This is bordering on traitorous behaviour.....

Let's not get crude and stupid here. Protecting the environment and culture is just as important. My question is, have we explored all options?

 

[Chanakya's_Chant]

The entire A&N islands are not about to become uninhabitable, the IN will simply use a few of the uninhabited islands for their training purposes, the rest of the islands will be completely untouched.

Anyway, the IN is going to be using these islands to test conventional weaponry, I don't see how this will lead to the extinction of any form of wildlife- the occasional missile hit is not going to do much damage to the ecology at all.




As pointed out in the article bro, this isn't an option because of the proximity of the Lakshadweep islands and major shipping routes.


The very fact the IN have been unable to meet their annual prattle allowance for the past few years should send a chill down one's spine and should point out there is no viable alternative. Many sat behind keyboards might be quick to start throwing up alternatives but don't you think the IN, a professional service who are not exactly in the business of intentionally damaging wildlife, would have exhausted every alternative and if there was an adequate substitute to these islands would be using them as we speak?

I understand - it seems to be a necessary evil.

 

[indiatester]

I understand - it seems to be a necessary evil.

The island where the horn-bill is situated was more for a listening post rather than a live ammo/missile testing site. Looks to me that two issues are mixed to show that the armed forces are trying to kill the wildlife just for fun.

 

[Abingdonboy]

The island where the horn-bill is situated was more for a listening post rather than a live ammo/missile testing site. Looks to me that two issues are mixed to show that the armed forces are trying to kill the wildlife just for fun.

NGOs play VERY dirty and a lot of them are foreign funded- think about that for a second. By opposing these sort of developments you are stunting the military's capabilities and who is this going to help in the long term?

Let's not get crude and stupid here. Protecting the environment and culture is just as important. My question is, have we explored all options?

From the fact that the IN has not met their annual practice allowance for a while now I'd say that all options have been explored. Not having this clearance has impacted their operational readiness and so if there were alternatives they'd have developed those by now but they haven't leading me to think this is the only possible option.


And sir, national security is the number one imperative of any government, is it not?

 

[Guynextdoor2]

NGOs play VERY dirty and a lot of them are foreign funded- think about that for a second. By opposing these sort of developments you are stunting the military's capabilities and who is this going to help in the long term?


From the fact that the IN has not met their annual practice allowance for a while now I'd say that all options have been explored. Not having this clearance has impacted their operational readiness and so if there were alternatives they'd have developed those by now but they haven't leading me to think this is the only possible option.


And sir, national security is the number one imperative of any government, is it not?

'National Security' is the oldest trump card any government plays to any gallery. We've had multiple bases and testing facilities where viable. Andaman really is a very sensitive area. There are parts of those islands that outsiders are not allowed to visit because the indigenous people need to be protected from their influence. These are responsibilities that any effective government has to cater to. And peotecting the environment is not something that can be given up the way BJP has done on several occasions recently (including cutting spends on Project Tiger). Whenever they dangle 'security' you should ask whether there is reasonable oversight behind what they are doing and if no other option was available.

 

[Krate M]

Who cares about natural species that may never return again.. lets fire them bombs and guns.

Save that attitude for the houbaras.

At least we are using the island for strategic reasons.

 

[indiatester]

'National Security' is the oldest trump card any government plays to any gallery. We've had multiple bases and testing facilities where viable. Andaman really is a very sensitive area. There are parts of those islands that outsiders are not allowed to visit because the indigenous people need to be protected from their influence. These are responsibilities that any effective government has to cater to. And peotecting the environment is not something that can be given up the way BJP has done on several occasions recently (including cutting spends on Project Tiger). Whenever they dangle 'security' you should ask whether there is reasonable oversight behind what they are doing and if no other option was available.

This has been a request from the Armed Forces in A&N a while back. It was denied by the then government.
I'd like to give the benefit of doubt to the services that they have put forth that request after due diligence.

Environmentalists must obviously keep an eye out to ensure that precious wildlife is not damaged by these activities.

 

[Viny]

The entire A&N islands are not about to become uninhabitable, the IN will simply use a few of the uninhabited islands for their training purposes, the rest of the islands will be completely untouched.

Anyway, the IN is going to be using these islands to test conventional weaponry, I don't see how this will lead to the extinction of any form of wildlife- the occasional missile hit is not going to do much damage to the ecology at all.

Dear friend, I dont know how much you know about Andaman and Nicobar.
Just sharing few facts with you

1. There are around 350+ islands out of which only 30-32 are habbited, out of then most people can at max visit 7-9 islands rest are occupied by tribals where common public is not allowed, and for rest the permission is not granted. This is because both govt and world has recognized that zone to have some of the worlds most diverse flora and fauna, marine life and tribes like Jarava's.

2. So far, about 2,200 varieties of plants have been recorded, out of which 200 are endemic and 1,300 do not occur in mainland India. So if any one of them are lost its lost for ever.

3.
The territory is home to about 225 species of butterflies and moths, including some of the larger and most spectacular of the world. Ten species are endemic to these Islands. Mount Harriet National Park is one of the richest areas of butterfly and moth diversity on these Islands. Give a visit to Butterfly museum in Port Blair, one step inside and you will be taken to some other world.


4. India has very very rare places which are not touched much by human interventions, thus the many of these islands have very presitine natural enviornment. If we can safe guard them our future generation would be able to cheerish nature.


Now bombing any of those areas will create not only damage due to blasts, but also the sound pollution will scare of the habitats.

Frankly speaking, though andaman islands are lonely place with least human interaction, they are also the worst place to think of testing, because its natural adobe of those dont need humans in there life.

Tests like should be done on barren lands where there is no flora or fauna to get damaged.

 

[Nicky G]

“birds-over-bombs” did we have a hippy government for the last decade?

If the armed forces have chosen this location, they'd have good reason to do so. Second guessing that makes little sense, unless one is an AdarshLiberal, then it would be instinct.

Anyway, if people are genuinely concerned, write to the government and ask them if the testing can be done another place without comprising our security considerations.

Besides, so many species have been sacrificed in the name of industrialization and development, its not like saving these few birds is going to be a turning point in human history.

 

[SQ8]

First care about the human beings who are murdered, raped or driven homeless because they are minority Hindus, Sikhs, Bangladeshis or ahmadiyas, then express your faux concern for "natural species"

Anybody else want to be a smart a$$?

Save that attitude for the houbaras.

At least we are using the island for strategic reasons.

Unlike you douchebags.. I actually do keep that attitude. Stick to your own country when the thread refers to it and never again try to define my boundaries on comments or you will NEVER return to the forum.

They are not Nuking the island. But then you already knew that
The birds are still going to be safe and sound.

Just like these guys?
IS threat to Syria's northern bald ibis near Palmyra - BBC News

IS threat to Syria's northern bald ibis near Palmyra
A rare bird may become extinct in Syria because of the capture of Palmyra by Islamic State, experts say.

A tiny breeding colony of the northern bald ibis - a critically endangered species - was found near the city in 2002.

Only one female returned from the wintering grounds in spring 2013.

Three further birds held in captivity were abandoned last week after their Bedouin guards fled the fighting. Their fate is unknown.

These creatures have very delicate senses of direction and breeding patterns. Any changes in environment impacts them severely, be it missile testing or Islamic radicals fighting away.

Unlike monuments which can be rebuilt or replaced, these birds cannot be replaced if they go extinct.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

What will happen at the worst

The birds will get EXTINCT ; so be it

But Animals are smart they adapt and migrate