Cash, Weapons and Surveillance: the U.S. is a Key Party to Every Israeli Attack

[Levina]

Read this part though, seems like they're targeting Muslims in every way they can:

'Under this expanded cooperation, the Americans and Israelis work together to gain access to “geographic targets [that] include the countries of North Africa, the Middle East, the Persian Gulf, South Asia, and the Islamic republics of the former Soviet Union.” It also includes “a dedicated communications line between NSA and ISNU [that] supports the exchange of raw material, as well as daily analytic and technical correspondence.'

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They call these Muslims 'Islamists'. People who seek self determination for their people. People that seek genuine freedom, people that want to live by the way of God. They are targeted.

that was the case of past, but as of now

1- Libya
2- Egpyt
3- Syria
4- Iraq
5- Sudan
6- Afghanistan
7- Yemen
8- Pakistan
9- Lebanon
10- Palestine
11- Iran

So in short they based their objective of 'Free World' to create "Their World & Our World"

Hazzy & HRK

Somehow to me it sounds illogical that Americans would target muslims for no apparent reason.
I think it all trickles down to money.
Its no hidden secret that the Israeli lobby is the most powerful lobby in US.Not so long back the american experts were against supporting Israel.It was somewhere in 1970's (after Israel and egypt made peace) that US began flowing its lavish aids to Israel.
Those who didnt support Israel were outnumbered and outmaneuvered.
The 50yr old relationship of US- israel
has given US certain benefits like political leverage, a proving ground for new weapons and intelligence cooperation among them.And US did want to suppress Iran with Israel's help or so they believed.

@Aeronaut

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Hazzy & HRK

Somehow to me it sounds illogical that Americans would target muslims for no apparent reason.

I think if the US was targeting Muslims Indonesia would be first on that list. Why are they immune???? How about Bangladesh and Nigeria?

 

[Levina]

I think if the US was targeting Muslims Indonesia would be first on that list. Why are they immune???? How about Bangladesh and Nigeria?

I think you missed my point.
I have mentioned Vietnam(non muslim country) already in my first post on this thread,which proves that US targets are non muslims too.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

I think you missed my point.
I have mentioned Vietnam(non muslim country) already in my first post on this thread,which proves that US targets are non muslims too.

Just adding to the non-target evidence.

 

[Kompromat]

I dont think religion has anything to do with this. Vietnam was definitely not a muslim country.

It has everything to do with Religion, at least for Southern Republicans.

 

[VCheng]

I think you missed my point.
I have mentioned Vietnam(non muslim country) already in my first post on this thread,which proves that US targets are non muslims too.

The relentless pursuit of national interests is never a religious endeavor.

 

[HRK]

Hazzy & HRK

Somehow to me it sounds illogical that Americans would target muslims for no apparent reason.
I think it all trickles down to money.
Its no hidden secret that the Israeli lobby is the most powerful lobby in US.Not so long back the american experts were against supporting Israel.It was somewhere in 1970's (after Israel and egypt made peace) that US began flowing its lavish aids to Israel.
Those who didnt support Israel were outnumbered and outmaneuvered.
The 50yr old relationship of US- israel
has given US certain benefits like political leverage, a proving ground for new weapons and intelligence cooperation among them.And US did want to suppress Iran with Israel's help or so they believed.

@Aeronaut

yaap its sound illogical to everyone but my dear can any person deny the religious aspect of American society and political system ..... ???

America can act for East-Timor & South Sudan but not for some other 'particular issues' ....

Can you pls tell me which National Interest of US is being served by the extension of the unconditional US support to the State of Isreal or its because of the religious beliefs of certain political class & their political sys ..... ???

Can you tell me Why political Islam is a 'Taboo', but Zionism and Neocon ideologies are something to be proud ..... ???

leave macro issues and Pakistan aside, may I know why a nuclear Iran, Iraq or Syria is not acceptable, but a nuclear Israel is ..... ???

May I know why only the state of Israel has the right to defend herself but not the other side .... ???

Why Hamas is a Terrorist entity but Israel is not ....???

try to ask these simple questions to any American or Israeli at the end of the debate they all reply 'because of the God's will' ......

existence of Israel is as per the God's will & its a promise land , but they fail to answer that the existence of Israel is as per the will of which God .....??? their God, or mine God ..... ???

my dear this concept of God is religious after all you can not ignore the religious angle of this debate .....

 

[Falcon29]

yaap its sound illogical to everyone but my dear can any person deny the religious aspect of American society and political system ..... ???

America can act for East-Timor & South Sudan but not for some other 'particular issues' ....

Can you pls tell me which National Interest of US is being served by the extension of the unconditional US support to the State of Isreal or its because of the religious beliefs of certain political class & their political sys ..... ???

Can you tell me Why political Islam is a 'Taboo', but Zionism and Neocon ideologies are something to be proud ..... ???

leave macro issues and Pakistan aside may, I know why a nuclear Iran, Iraq or Syria is not acceptable but a nuclear Isreal is ..... ???

May I know why only the state of Isreal has the right to defend herself but not the other side .... ???

Why Hamas is a Terrorist entity but Isreal is not ....???

try to ask these simple questions to any American or Israeli at the end of the debate they all reply 'because of the God will' ......

existence of Isreal is as per the God will & its a promise land , but they fail to answer that the existence of Israel is as the will of which God .....??? their God, or mine God ..... ???

my dear this concept of God is religious after all you can not ignore the religious angle of this debate .....

You made strong points brother, I agree with you.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Can you pls tell me which National Interest of US is being served by the extension of the unconditional US support to the State of Isreal or its because of the religious beliefs of certain political class & their political sys ..... ???

Team USA | Page 32

Example:
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/wap/Item.aspx?type=0&item=172783

You are so blinded by the religion thing you can't see the real reason.

 

[HRK]

Team USA | Page 32

sorry to say your below quoted post is just an "excuse" not a convincing argument ....

The US certainly is protecting Israel...but there are numerous reasons. One main reason, I believe, is due to a large number of scientists and engineers moving to Israel (from US, Europe, and Russia). Israel itself has many cutting edge scientists/engineers. The US is doing what it can to prevent Israel from aligning itself with Russia and giving them a technical advantage. If that happened it would be a huge national security issue.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

sorry to say your below quoted post is just an "excuse" not a convincing argument ....

And a religious slant is a convincing argument???

I suppose if China supported them you'd bring religion in too. What a convincing argument that would be.

 

[HRK]

Team USA | Page 32

Example:
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/wap/Item.aspx?type=0&item=172783

You are so blinded by the religion thing you can't see the real reason.

if I accept this logic just for the sack of argument why America did not support Germany during WW-II they were working on most modern technologies of that time..... ???

Or even today Russia, they also have so many critical technologies .... & Scientists as well ..... ???

Geopolitics is a dirty game but the Religious Geopolitics is more dirty .....

& for the highlighted part if you can not debate in sober and mature manner than I request you to pls don't quote me ever again ....

And a religious slant is a convincing argument???

I suppose if China supported them you'd bring religion in too. What a convincing argument that would be.

religious slant was used by me .....???

Mind you .... I am not the one who is supporting the concept of promise land.

how conveniently you chose to reply just a single question of my post why are you ignoring all others queries .... plz try some ...

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

if I accept this logic just for the sack of argument why America did not support Germany during WW-II they were working on most modern technologies of that time..... ???

Or even today Russia, they also have so many critical technologies .... & Scientists as well ..... ???

We didn't support Germany because we didn't care about anybody or anything on the other side of the ocean. It wasn't our monkey as people here like to say.

So Israel got created...and guess what a whole bunch of our scientists/physicists and others left the USA. That was a huge problem.

If they aligned with Russia we'd be at a severe disadvantage. So they kept the people of Israel happy so they wouldn't join the 2nd world. This was at the Palestinians expense. They have been getting shafted ever since.

In the 1980s Russia started letting a lot of Jewish scientists/physicists leave for Israel.
Now both the Russians and the US lost key people.

The Palestinians are caught in the middle of a Cold War battle.

What's one of the things the US did after WW2...grab Nazi scientists.

The guy who designed the moon rocket (Wernher von Braun) was a Nazi. He used Jewish slave labor to build his V1+V2s. I'm sure many laborers were killed. You think the US was listening to the Jews after the war and sending him to the gallows?? They asked "Why? Why? Why?" and they got no response as he was too important. He never apologized for anything and the US never pressured him to. You think the US wanted him to run off to Russia? What a disaster that would have been. They kept him happy and the Jews simmered in frustration.

History repeats itself. Israel is now like von Braun and the Palestinians are like the Jews. The Palestinians ask "Why? Why? Why?" and get no response.

 

[HRK]

We didn't support Germany because we didn't care about anybody or anything on the other side of the ocean. It wasn't our monkey as people here like to say.

it wasn't your monkey but even than US got involved to the other side of the ocean and not just involved actually lead to the end .....

So Israel got created and guess what a whole bunch of our scientists/physicists and others left the USA. That was a huge problem.

If they aligned with Russia we'd be at a severe disadvantage. So they kept the people of Israel happy so they wouldn't join the 2nd world. This was at the Palestinians expense. You've been getting shafted ever since.

In the 1980s Russia started letting a lot of Jewish scientists/physicists leave for Israel.
Now both the Russians and the US lost key people.

You are caught in the middle of a Cold War battle.

What's one of the things the US did after WW2..grab Nazi scientists.

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The guy who designed the moon rocket is a Nazi. He used Jewish slave labor to build his V1+V2s. I'm sure many were killed. You think we were listening to the Jews and sending him to the gallows??

Was Isreal your monkey .... at that particular period .... ??

dear read this post in the continuation of your previous posts .... you are trying to convince me that the mighty USA the 'leader & the defender of the Free World', a country which was 'involved in shaping the future' of the new world was blackmailed by the bunch few Jew scientists & physicists who were some hundred or thousand in number.

USA was that fragile or weak State ..... ??? I request you not to downgrade USA to that level

OK for time being I do not question religious connotation of US support to Isreal, now convince me

How a country of 20,770 sq km is more important than the whole region of almost 9,000,000 sq km ??

• A country of the 8 million population is more important than the 350-400 million population of that region ??
• A country of $ 280-290 billion GDP is more important than the combine GDP of around $ 3 to 3.5 trillion of that region ... ??
• A country of defence budget of around $ 17-18 billion is more important than the whole region of having combine defence budget of $ 140-150 billion .... ??
• A country of having trade volume of around $ 25-30 billion with US is more important than the whole of the region of combine Trade volume $ 250 to 300 billion with US. .... ???
• A country which import energy is more important than the region which have 60%-70% of world oil reserve and 50%-60% natural gas reserve of the world .... ???
• I can ask about the comparison of investment or job creation / support in USA by Israel and other regional countries.

I can ask you about so many things, not just to score some points or to wine an online debate. I am asking you these basic question so that you can analysis yourself and can answer yourself not me ..... if you can convince yourself regarding US-Israel relation only than reply me ..... otherwise I am simply not interested to continue this debate.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

How a country of 20,770 sq km is more important than the whole region of almost 9,000,000 sq km ??

List of Jewish Nobel laureates - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
List of Muslim Nobel laureates - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A country of the 8 million population is more important than the 350-400 million population of that region ??

Maybe you should be asking yourself why the first list is MUCH longer than the second one and then you will find your answers.