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The man has a family in USA, and he was living there for last 10 years (means even b4 9/11)
Then Y that man went to Waziristan after having his education and social netwrok in USA. Y he frustrated to move there?....the place where, even Pakistani hates to go.
 
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The man has a family in USA, and he was living there for last 10 years (means even b4 9/11)
Then Y that man went to Waziristan after having his education and social netwrok in USA. Y he frustrated to move there?....the place where, even Pakistani hates to go.

Looks like a merry family. Donno why he has to do this.
 
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Hopefully saner minds will prevail and they try to understand that we're at a war with these same elements. This was a failed attempt no one was hurt, but since the start of the war, we've lost 30,000+ people getting rid of scums like this guy.

From our end, our government needs to act and fight for increasing freedoms, secularizing our government and kill the TTP wherever they may be.
 
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I don't post here often, but I do enjoy reading the opinions of my fellow South Asians (regardless of what side of some imaginary line they live on -- God didn't make those lines, we did).

I feel really bad about this whole event. Situations like this, even where the stated 'objective' fails, still has world-wide effect. Selfishly as a South Asian who lives in America it's obviously something that negatively affects me. But moreso, this destabalizes some of the co-operation and trust that was building between the West and our part of the world. Sure, any number of people can be rounded up at the drop of a hat to appear like solutions and co-operation are taking place -- but one only needs to look at the past history of the detainees in Gitmo, and how many of them were quickly arrested and placed there, even if they did not do anything. Appeasement and speed at the risk of losing sight of proper action and diligence is the wrong way to go.

More than anything, I feel sorry for this guy. There is much more to the story than we know. (or will ever know) I don't think that you can become a programmed killer in a few months unless you are trained by some really good programmers. Furthermore, there are too many missing pieces of the puzzle to truly make a good profile on this guy.

He came from a good family, was lucky enough to get two degrees in the US, married a nice looking girl who was also studying in the US. They had kids, they had a house, etc. Somehow things in his life got mixed up and he ends up attempting terrorist actions.

Perhaps I come off as being too sympathetic in this case. He puts a black eye on all South Asians. But I'm interested in understanding the psychology (or methology in turning someone) involved that makes a family man into a terrorist.

If this is the case then what's the chance that any one of us may be similarly taught to go nuts over a period of bad luck? (this seems more like a manchurian candidate thing than a die-hard "kill myself for Allah" type of terrorist. like the Ft. Hood shooter) That's just my limited point of view.

All terrorism must be stopped. Of course, using violence to stop violence is a fools errand. The true way to stop something is to learn these behaviors and what causes them. Then devise solutions to prevent this conditioning from taking place. Perhaps this issue is larger than just one quiet family man who quits his job and is upset about something.
 
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The story is really strange.... I am also unable to understand the psyche of that man after reading all his story..... don't know what happened to him that he took that extreme step..... just labeling him as a terrorist is not gonna solve the problem...:frown:
 
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Hopefully saner minds will prevail and they try to understand that we're at a war with these same elements. This was a failed attempt no one was hurt, but since the start of the war, we've lost 30,000+ people getting rid of scums like this guy.

From our end, our government needs to act and fight for increasing freedoms, secularizing our government and kill the TTP wherever they may be.

We are fighting the terrorism in Kashmir you should also support killing of terrorist all over the world not only TTP.

Let all the terrorist die and world become a safe and peaceful place.
 
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NEW YORK – In the days before his failed attempt to detonate a car bomb in the heart of Times Square, the man who had recently returned from his native Pakistan did a dry run and dropped off a getaway car blocks from the site, a law enforcement official told The Associated Press.

Faisal Shahzad, now in custody on terrorism and weapons charges, drove a 1993 Nissan Pathfinder to Times Square from Connecticut on April 28, apparently to figure out where would be the best place to leave it later, the official said. He then returned April 30 to drop off a black Isuzu, according to the source, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the investigation.

The official said Shahzad went back Saturday and left the SUV loaded with firecrackers, gasoline and propane, enough to likely create a fireball and kill nearby tourists and Broadway theatergoers had it gone off successfully.

Shahzad, 30, a Pakistani-American from Connecticut, admitted to rigging the Pathfinder with a crude bomb based on explosives training he received in Pakistan, authorities say. He was pulled off a plane Monday headed for Dubai and has been cooperating with investigators. For a second day Wednesday, he had yet to appear in Manhattan federal court.

Kifyat Ali, a cousin of Shahzad's father, has called the arrest "a conspiracy."

Shahzad is believed to have been working alone when he began preparing the attack, almost immediately after returning in February from his native land, authorities said. They said they have yet to find a wider link to extremist groups or to pin down a motive.

"It appears from some of his other activities that March is when he decided to put this plan in motion," New York police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said Wednesday. "He came back from Pakistan Feb. 3, 2010. It may well have been an indicator of putting something catastrophic in motion."

In leaving Times Square on Saturday, he discovered he left a chain of 20 keys including those to the getaway car and his home in Connecticut in the SUV, and had to take public transit, the official told the AP.

Investigators had already started searching for suspects, when he returned to the scene on Sunday with a second set of keys to pick up the Isuzu, parked about eight blocks from the car bomb site, the official said.

Kelly told a Senate panel that Shahzad bought a gun in March that was found in his Isuzu at Kennedy Airport, suggesting that he was moving ahead on the bombing plot shortly after returning from Pakistan.

Pakistan Ambassador Husain Haqqani said Wednesday that an investigation into Shahzad's links to Pakistan was ongoing. He said an unspecified number of people had been questioned but no one has been arrested or detained in Pakistan. Haqqani spoke to the AP prior to an appearance at Harvard University in Massachusetts.

Asked if any connection had emerged between Shahzad and Qari Hussain Mehsud, the Pakistani Taliban's chief bomb maker who is also in charge of recruiting suicide bombers, Haqqani said "no such fact had emerged," at this point in the investigation.

"I think it's premature to start identifying groups and individuals with whom he might have trained," he said.

Haqqani added that it was unlikely that Shahzad or anyone could find a bombmaking facility in the south Waziristan region because that region is now controlled by the Pakistani Army. Shahzad said he was trained in the region, authorities say.

U.S. officials have also been unable to verify whether Shahzad trained to make bombs at a terrorist camp in Pakistan.

Shahzad had previously lived in Shelton, Conn., but got a low-rent apartment in nearby Bridgeport when he returned from Pakistan. His wife and children apparently did not return with him.

Police recovered surveillance video of Shahzad at Times Square moments after the attack, and he's seen in other video in Pennsylvania buying fireworks. Neither videotape has been released.

Interviews Wednesday with business owners and police shed light on purchases Shahzad made of fireworks and a rifle.

On March 8, Shahzad bought six to eight boxes each containing 36 Silver Salute M88 fireworks from Phantom Fireworks in Matamoras, Pa., said store vice president William Wiemer. Even if used together, the fireworks couldn't have caused a large explosion, Wiemer said.

"The M88 he used wouldn't damage a watermelon. Thank goodness he used that," said Bruce Zoldan, the company's president.

Each M88 has an amount of pyrotechnic powder that is less than 1/6 the size of an aspirin, the company said. Fireworks purchased illegally can be up to 1,000 times more powerful, they said.

"There's no doubt, had he bought this on the black market, that the outcome in New York would have been totally different," Zoldan said.

Shelton police said Shahzad legally bought a Kel-Tech rifle from a dealer after passing a criminal background check and a 14-day waiting period. The owner of the gun shop declined comment.
 
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They guy is a total loser.....did trial runs and failed......speaks of Bad Training offered by TTP.....ROFL.
 
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They guy is a total loser.....did trial runs and failed......speaks of Bad Training offered by TTP.....ROFL.

well nothing funny, the thing is guy destroyed his own life & the lives of his loved ones, plus the image of Pakistan & Paksitanis living there, The oxy-moron is one big looser


Fear grips Pakistani-Americans

WASHINGTON: A Pakistani-American girl, only 12, refused to go to school on Tuesday, saying she fears other students will ask her questions about the suspect held in New York for a failed attempt to bomb Times Square.

Another girl, 11, went to school when her mother persuaded her to but the mother had to go back to school during the lunch break to counsel her.

A 53-year old man throttled his laughter at a dinner in a Virginia restaurant as a US television channel identified the suspect as a Pakistani-American. “That’s it. We are cooked,” he remarked.

“Sad, very sad,” said Maleeha Lodhi, a former Pakistani ambassador to the US and Britain who is now working on a book in Washington. “It will hurt all Pakistanis, particularly those living in the United States.”

The Pakistani American Public Affairs Committee condemned the Times Square attempted bomb plot and appreciated the efforts of the US enforcement agencies for saving hundreds of lives.

“PAKPAC is shocked and saddened to learn that the prime suspect is of Pakistani heritage,” said a statement issued in Washington.

“This individual or any accomplice should be tried and punished under American judicial system. Whether this is an act of a lone individual or a group, it harms everyone and benefits no one.”

As a community, Pakistani-Americans have “zero tolerance for such acts as they damage and disrupt the way of life of all Americans”.

PAKPAC also welcomed the full cooperation offered by the Pakistani government.

America’s largest Muslim civil liberties and advocacy organisation, CAIR held a special news conference in Washington to condemn the bombing attempt.

CAIR leaders assured other Americans that Muslims living in America were as “peace loving as any other group” and stood ready to assist the administration’s efforts to root out terrorism.

These immediate reactions in and around the US capital reflect the fears and trepidations of the Pakistani and Muslim communities in North America as they brace themselves for possible repercussions of the involvement of yet another Pakistani in an alleged terror plot.

Raza Jafri recalled walking near the White House a day after 9/11 when two men stopped him and his wife and shouted: “Terrorists, terrorists. Arrest them.”

The first thing he did was to ask his wife not to wear Pakistani dress in public until it was safe to do so. “It can get worse now,” he said.

At a religious gathering in Springfield Virginia, Imam Wali prayed that “all those who are giving a bad name to Islam and Pakistan may be shown the right path.”

Muhammad Younas Ansari of Lahore asked his Pakistani-American friends, “why are you so unhappy here? I have never heard of Indian or Bangladeshi Muslims being involved in such activities, why?”

One of his friends thought that some Pakistanis living in America suffered from a major cultural shock. “No matter how unhappy a Pakistani says he is in America, he does not want to go back,” said the friend.

“The Pakistanis enjoy the benefits of living in America. Love earning dollars. Love the prosperity that the dollar brings. They love showing off their dollars when they go to Pakistan. Yet, they never tire of criticising America. They think Pakistan is a paradise but all are afraid of returning home.”

Hamza Muhammad of Falls Church, Virginia, noted that the entire Pakistani society shared the blame for allowing religious extremists and fanatics to function. “They never tire of condemning the extremists but also never take any practical step to purge them,” he observed.

“How should we, living in America contribute to the fight against terrorism?” asked Tahira Mussarat Hussain, a Maryland resident.

“We are against fanaticism but our voices are not heard. We want the whole world to know that we oppose all messages of hate.”

Mr Siddiqui, another Pakistani-American who only gave his last name, said that Pakistan needed to “deal with the root cause” of terrorism.

He suggested massive reform of the education system, which should include “revision of textbooks that preach hate against other religions, closure of all those madressahs that indulge in hate-mongering and more money for the right type of education”.
 
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well nothing funny, the thing is guy destroyed his own life & the lives of his loved ones, plus the image of Pakistan & Paksitanis living there, The oxy-moron is one big looser


Fear grips Pakistani-Americans

WASHINGTON: A Pakistani-American girl, only 12, refused to go to school on Tuesday, saying she fears other students will ask her questions about the suspect held in New York for a failed attempt to bomb Times Square.

Another girl, 11, went to school when her mother persuaded her to but the mother had to go back to school during the lunch break to counsel her.

A 53-year old man throttled his laughter at a dinner in a Virginia restaurant as a US television channel identified the suspect as a Pakistani-American. “That’s it. We are cooked,” he remarked.

“Sad, very sad,” said Maleeha Lodhi, a former Pakistani ambassador to the US and Britain who is now working on a book in Washington. “It will hurt all Pakistanis, particularly those living in the United States.”

The Pakistani American Public Affairs Committee condemned the Times Square attempted bomb plot and appreciated the efforts of the US enforcement agencies for saving hundreds of lives.

“PAKPAC is shocked and saddened to learn that the prime suspect is of Pakistani heritage,” said a statement issued in Washington.

“This individual or any accomplice should be tried and punished under American judicial system. Whether this is an act of a lone individual or a group, it harms everyone and benefits no one.”

As a community, Pakistani-Americans have “zero tolerance for such acts as they damage and disrupt the way of life of all Americans”.

PAKPAC also welcomed the full cooperation offered by the Pakistani government.

America’s largest Muslim civil liberties and advocacy organisation, CAIR held a special news conference in Washington to condemn the bombing attempt.

CAIR leaders assured other Americans that Muslims living in America were as “peace loving as any other group” and stood ready to assist the administration’s efforts to root out terrorism.

These immediate reactions in and around the US capital reflect the fears and trepidations of the Pakistani and Muslim communities in North America as they brace themselves for possible repercussions of the involvement of yet another Pakistani in an alleged terror plot.

Raza Jafri recalled walking near the White House a day after 9/11 when two men stopped him and his wife and shouted: “Terrorists, terrorists. Arrest them.”

The first thing he did was to ask his wife not to wear Pakistani dress in public until it was safe to do so. “It can get worse now,” he said.

At a religious gathering in Springfield Virginia, Imam Wali prayed that “all those who are giving a bad name to Islam and Pakistan may be shown the right path.”

Muhammad Younas Ansari of Lahore asked his Pakistani-American friends, “why are you so unhappy here? I have never heard of Indian or Bangladeshi Muslims being involved in such activities, why?”

One of his friends thought that some Pakistanis living in America suffered from a major cultural shock. “No matter how unhappy a Pakistani says he is in America, he does not want to go back,” said the friend.


“The Pakistanis enjoy the benefits of living in America. Love earning dollars. Love the prosperity that the dollar brings. They love showing off their dollars when they go to Pakistan. Yet, they never tire of criticising America. They think Pakistan is a paradise but all are afraid of returning home.”

Hamza Muhammad of Falls Church, Virginia, noted that the entire Pakistani society shared the blame for allowing religious extremists and fanatics to function. “They never tire of condemning the extremists but also never take any practical step to purge them,” he observed.


“How should we, living in America contribute to the fight against terrorism?” asked Tahira Mussarat Hussain, a Maryland resident.

“We are against fanaticism but our voices are not heard. We want the whole world to know that we oppose all messages of hate.”

Mr Siddiqui, another Pakistani-American who only gave his last name, said that Pakistan needed to “deal with the root cause” of terrorism.

He suggested massive reform of the education system, which should include “revision of textbooks that preach hate against other religions, closure of all those madressahs that indulge in hate-mongering and more money for the right type of education”.

Focusing on bold part....I think this is what pisses most of the Americans as well....Pakistanis come to America...make money from America...and criticize America....I mean if America is so bad and Pakistan is so good....why go to America....stay in Pakistan..
 
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Focusing on bold part....I think this is what pisses most of the Americans as well....Pakistanis come to America...make money from America...and criticize America....I mean if America is so bad and Pakistan is so good....why go to America....stay in Pakistan..

something i pointed out already that Pakistanis living abroad have some serious 'complexes in their minds' about religion & Pakistan, many of them are they are acting like hypocrites just take the recent example WTH compelled him to destroy his life, lives of his loved ones & destroy the image of Pakistan, it seems more & more youth is becoming vulnerable to 'mullah jihadi mindset' even highly educated people are falling prey to it & this trend if continued will have horrific effects
 
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The fear should pass quickly - even more quickly than the fear of the Arab community after 9-11. Most Americans just aren't into that sort of race-based violence anymore, and haven't been for decades.

[The article would be stronger if it didn't resort to quoting CAIR, an organization which has been repeatedly disgraced by the criminal convictions of several of its officers (terror contacts) and is alienated from the Muslim community, which, it seems, neither trusts (accusations of embezzlement and legal misrepresentation) nor financially supports them. Most of CAIR's funding is from abroad. Furthermore, CAIR's past claims of persecution against Muslims rarely panned out - at the very least, CAIR doesn't do its homework well. Somehow Dawn missed these things.]
 
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Faisal Shahzad, the 30-year-old son of a retired air force officer who migrated from Pakistan and became a US citizen last year, has been charged with five counts of terrorism for trying to bomb Times Square on Saturday night.

Pakistani and US investigators are now trying to piece together how and why the son of an affluent family could have turned his back on the prospect of a comfortable life in the United States to plot mass murder.

US President Barack Obama was to meet his national security team Thursday, including Defence Secretary Robert Gates, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, top intelligence and counter-terrorism officials.

Anne Patterson, the US ambassador to Islamabad, has consulted Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari and top cabinet ministers about the search for leads into the US investigation and will have further meetings in the coming days.

The State Department spokesman said Washington has received a "full and complete pledge" of co-operation from Pakistan.

"We will be exchanging information as the investigation is ongoing," Philip Crowly said. "Whatever leads are generated here in the United States ... we would fully expect Pakistan to follow up on."

The Washington Post said the Obama administration was preparing to deliver to Pakistan a detailed request for urgent and specific assistance on the case by the end of the week.

"When a formal request would be made, then proper investigations would be launched," Pakistani Interior Minister Rehman Malik told reporters in comments broadcast by Express TV.

The main question now is whether Shahzad acted alone, had outside help or was acting on behalf of a larger group either in Pakistan or elsewhere.

"So far no concrete evidence has yet linked him to any group in Pakistan," a senior security official told AFP on condition of anonymity.

The official said security agencies had been questioning his relatives and friends in Islamabad, Karachi and Pabbi, in northwest Pakistan close to Peshawar where Shahzad grew up in a middle-class family.

The only group to claim responsibility for the plot is Pakistan's Taliban, which if found to be true, would mark a radical departure for a faction that concentrated its suicide and car bomb attacks at home.

A US drone war has heavily targeted Taliban and al-Qaeda-linked leaders in Pakistan's tribal belt and the Pakistani Taliban leader, Hakimullah Mehsud, appeared in videos released this week threatening to attack US cities.

"They're not going to sort of sit and welcome you (to) sort of eliminate them. They're going to fight back," Pakistani Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi told CBS, saying the bomb plot could have been "retaliation".

US newspapers citing American officials said there was growing evidence that the Pakistani Taliban helped to train Shahzad on how to make a bomb.

The New York Times cited officials as saying that there were strong indications that Shahzad knew some members of the group and that they probably had a role in training him.

According to the US criminal complaint, Shahzad admitted to receiving bomb-making training in Waziristan, a fortress of Taliban and al-Qaeda linked militants with increasingly overlapping associations and ideology.

Pakistani militant groups, principally Tehreek-e-Taliban, but also Jaish-e-Mohammad and Lashkar-I-Jhangvi, have a presence in the area. It is also a hotbed of Afghan, Arab and central Asian fighters.

But the Pakistani military, which has earned praise in the United States for a series of assaults on the Taliban, warned that it has yet to establish a link between the Pakistani-American and Waziristan.

"Until and unless the link is established, it will be premature to say that he had gone there," army spokesman Athar Abbas said

He also questioned the capability and reach of the Pakistani Taliban to strike within the United States.

One theory touted by analysts is that Shahzad may have received limited training, but not been a full member of a militant faction.

Officials have described him as co-operative during two days of questioning and the bomb was poorly rigged, which analysts have used to suggest that he had only basic technical proficiency and was amateur.
 
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Fear grips Pakistani-Americans


Mr Siddiqui, another Pakistani-American who only gave his last name, said that Pakistan needed to “deal with the root cause” of terrorism.

He suggested massive reform of the education system, which should include “revision of textbooks that preach hate against other religions, closure of all those madressahs that indulge in hate-mongering and more money for the right type of education”.




This is correct. This must be done.
 
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