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ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Fresh evidence unearthed Thursday by investigators in India indicated that the Mumbai attacks were stage-managed from at least two Pakistani cities by top leaders of the militant group Lashkar-e-Taiba.

Indian and American intelligence officials have already identified a Lashkar operative, who goes by the name Yusuf Muzammil, as a mastermind of the attacks. On Thursday, Indian investigators named one of the most well-known senior figures in Lashkar, Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi.

The names of both men came from the interrogations of the one surviving attacker, Muhammad Ajmal Kasab, 21, according to police officials in Mumbai.

While Mr. Muzammil appears to have served as a control officer in Lahore, Pakistan, Mr. Lakhvi, his boss and the operational commander of Lashkar, worked from Karachi, a southern Pakistani port city, said investigators in Mumbai.

It now appears that both men were in contact with their charges as they sailed to Mumbai from Karachi, and then continued guiding the attacks even as they unfolded, directing the assaults and possibly providing information about the police and military response in India.

Some of the calls appeared to be conversations about who would live and who would die among the gunmen’s hostages, according to an official who interviewed survivors and a report by security consultants with contacts among the investigators.

While Indian officials have pointed a finger directly at Pakistani elements, terrorism experts and some Western officials warned that the emerging sketch of the plotters was still preliminary and could broaden even to include militants within India. India, too, has a long history of antagonism with Pakistan.

The new links emerged as Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice met in Islamabad with Pakistani leaders, a day after meeting with Indian leaders, to urge that the two countries work together to find the attackers’ commanders and bring them to justice.

“What I heard was a commitment that this is the course that will be taken,” Ms. Rice told reporters at Chaklala Air Base in Pakistan after meeting with President Asif Ali Zardari and Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani.

But while Pakistan’s leaders offered polite assurances, they made no public announcement of concrete measures to be taken against Lashkar. They have also continued to express skepticism of Pakistani involvement and have resisted handing over 20 suspects demanded by India.

Lashkar-e-Taiba, whose name means “army of the pure,” was founded with the help of Pakistani intelligence officers more than 20 years ago as a proxy force to challenge Indian control of Muslim-dominated Kashmir.

Since then, the group has broadened its ambitions, its reach and its contacts with an international network of jihadi groups. Its fighters have turned up in Afghanistan and Iraq and have been blamed for several other high-profile attacks in India before.

Today it is technically banned in Pakistan but operates openly through affiliates. Its links to Al Qaeda remain murky, as does the extent of its current ties to Pakistan’s main spy agency, Inter-Services Intelligence, or ISI.

In an interview this week, Muhammad Yahya Mujahid, a spokesman for Jamaat-ud-Dawa, a parent organization of Lashkar, denied that Lashkar or its leader, Haffiz Muhammad Saeed, had any connection to the attack. The surviving gunman in Mumbai claimed to have met Mr. Saeed at a training camp in Pakistan.

American counterterrorism officials said there was no clear evidence that the Pakistani intelligence service played a role in the Mumbai attacks, or that Pakistani operatives were linked to the attackers.

Deven Barthi, a deputy commissioner on the Mumbai police force, would not comment on Indian media reports claiming direct links between the ISI and the Mumbai attacks.

But, he said, “we have certain evidence of government complicity that we are trying to verify.”

The weapons used in the attacks, he said, came from a factory based in Punjab Province in Pakistan that is under contract to the Pakistani military, he said.

The factory was also the source of grenades and explosives used in several earlier terrorist attacks in India, Mr. Barthi said. Those included bombings in Mumbai in 1993; a suicide attack on the Indian Parliament in 2001 and the bombing of the Indian Embassy in Kabul, Afghanistan, in July, he said.

Investigators discovered the link to the Pakistan factory, Mr. Barthi said, after recovering a grenade left by the attackers that had EN ARGES printed on it.

That corresponds to a brand name belonging to a German company that granted a license to the factory to make weapons for the Pakistani military.

One possible collaborator in the plot, the authorities say, was an Indian named Faheem Ahmed Ansari, who was arrested in February in a northern Indian state, Uttar Pradesh, along with two other suspected Lashkar members.

Mr. Ansari told the police interrogators that from fall 2007 to February 2008 he surveyed possible targets for Lashkar in Mumbai, including the Taj Mahal Palace & Tower hotel and the Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus, the old Victoria rail station.

The Uttar Pradesh police said he was arrested in connection with a gun and grenade attack on New Year’s Eve on a police camp in Rampur when he returned to pick up weapons left behind. His intention was to take the weapons to Mumbai for use in a later operation, they said.

Other evidence emerged Thursday highlighting the sophistication and cruelty of the attacks.

Some of the six people killed at the Jewish center in the city had been treated particularly savagely, the police said, with bodies bearing what appeared to be strangulation marks and other wounds that did not come from gunshots or grenades.

Even before the attackers landed on Mumbai’s shores, Mr. Lakhvi, the Lashkar commander, who is normally based in Kashmir, helped organize the plot from Karachi for the last three months, said a Pakistani official in contact with Lashkar.

The gunmen also kept in contact with their handlers in Pakistan with cellphones as they rounded up guests at the two hotels, officials say.

The attackers left a trail of evidence in a satellite phone they left behind on the fishing trawler they hijacked near Karachi at the start of their 500-mile journey to Mumbai.

The phone contained the telephone numbers of Mr. Muzammil, Mr. Lakhvi and a number of other Lashkar operatives, according to a report on the Mumbai siege released Thursday by M. J. Gohel and Sajjan M. Gohel, two security analysts who direct the Asia-Pacific Foundation in London.

The numbers dialed on the phone found on the trawler used to call Mr. Muzammil matched the numbers on the cellphones recovered from the Taj and Oberoi hotels, the report said.

Based on evidence found on the trawler, it was possible that five other men were involved in the plot and were still at large, the report said.

In one of the hotels, a gunman asked several Indian guests what caste they belonged to and what state they came from, said an official who interviewed the guests.

Once the attacker found out these details, he then called someone believed to be Mr. Muzammil, who was also identified by the surviving gunman and who was in Lahore, according to phone records recovered by investigators.

The surviving guests said the attacker told the person on the other end of the phone the guests’ details and asked whether they should be killed or not.

At one point, a guest said one of the calls seemed to be a conference call with two people on the other end.

Once the calls were finished, the attacker moved the small group of guests, who did not know what their fate would be, into a room. When the attackers became distracted by tear gas fired by the police, the hostages managed to escape.

In another instance, the gunmen forced a Singaporean hostage at the Oberoi hotel, Lo Hwei Yen, to call her husband in Singapore. She told him that the hostages were demanding that Singaporean officials tell India not to try a rescue operation. The next day, Ms. Lo was killed, the foundation’s report said.

Investigators found that after the gunmen killed her, they used the phone she had called her husband with, the report said.

“The worrying scenario is that Muzammil may have ordered her execution along with two other hostages that were found murdered in the same room,” the report said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/05/world/asia/05mumbai.html?_r=1&hp
 
You're simply clutching at straws now.

So this terrorist was promoting "Hope’ ... ‘Faith’... ‘Love’ ... ‘Life’ (USA) and Aids awareness (UK)"

Somehow I don't think he was spreading the love :enjoy:

And wristbands are not common in Pakistan, definitely not orange ones. I can show you wear orange wristbands are very common though.

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It was in reply to you stereotyping persons of a particular religion I don't need to prove you.
The terrorist had wristband for whatever purpose perhaps to hoodwink investigations even after his death, But now Death has cheated him and truth will prevail.
 
Authorities: Mumbai attackers had help

CNN) -- The attackers who killed nearly 180 people last week in Mumbai, India, had help from a Bangladeshi national, Indian security sources told CNN sister network CNN-IBN.

The Bangladeshi national bought cell phone SIM cards for the attackers at several locations inside India, the sources said Thursday.

SIM cards -- subscriber identity modules -- are portable memory-chips that make it easy to switch cell phones. Intelligence experts say they're used by terrorists to throw their pursuers off the trail.

Indian authorities believe all the attackers were Pakistanis, specifically blaming Lashkar-e-Tayyiba (LeT), an Islamic militant group based in Pakistan. LeT has denied any responsibility for the attacks, but the sole surviving gunmen told interrogators he was trained by LeT, Indian authorities have said.

Pakistani authorities denied the attackers were from their country, instead blaming what they call "non-state" actors.

But one analyst who studies India-Pakistan tensions believes this operation was planned and carried out by militants from Bangladesh, Pakistan -- and India.

"They needed people on the ground who could guide them and provided the inside dope," said Shuja Nawaz, author of "Crossed Swords," which analyzes the role of Pakistan's military in the country's politics. "Otherwise, the Lashkar doesn't have the capacity to have cased the joints, to have made all these plans and get these people into the target area so effectively."

U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, who traveled to the region this week to meet with Indian and Pakistani officials, hit hard on the need for Pakistan to root out Islamic extremists inside its borders.

The Pakistani leadership must understand "the importance of doing that, particularly in rooting out terrorists and rounding up whoever perpetrated this attack from wherever it was perpetrated, whatever its sources, wherever the leads go," Rice said.

Meanwhile, Indian police swiftly handled a "security scare" at New Delhi's major airport early Friday amid heightened security at the nations airports. Watch what was known about the scare »

Intelligence reports indicated terrorists may be planning an airborne attack.

"This is based on a little warning which has been received," Indian Air Force chief Maj. Fali Homi said. "That's all, nothing else. We are prepared as usual."

Indian officials are also weighing how to tighten security along their coasts, where the Mumbai attackers entered the country.
Authorities: Mumbai attackers had help - CNN.com
 
roadrunner ... so cynical, so bitter, so intolerant ... & which are some of the reasons there are too many problems in this world ... sad.

& roadrunner ... wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if it was an 'Indian affair', but doubt we will ever know the truth.

peace,
bye
 
roadrunner ... so cynical, so bitter, so intolerant ... & which are some of the reasons there are too many problems in this world ... sad.

& roadrunner ... wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if it was an 'Indian affair', but doubt we will ever know the truth.

peace,
bye

I'm hardly intolerant. This stuff makes me laugh actually. From the Indians on here denying that religious Hindus observe the orange wristband, to claiming that Pakistanis wear it, the proof being one picture of Shoaib Akhtar! lol Then there's the truth serum :D

It's simply the inconsistencies. The orange wristband is one of many.
 
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Nobody has managed to explain why Shoaib Akthar is wearing that thing.

Probably for the same reason that I wear my steel bracelet on occasion - as a fashion accessory.

A radical Muslim would not be wearing something that is symbolic of Hinduism.

Orange bracelets are not worn in Pakistan. They are worn in India in significant numbers by the fanatical devotees.
 
Oh I get what you're trying to do here - you're trying to make the "Fanatical orange band" the hindu equivalent of the "mullah beard".

Well listen up mister - you're wrong. There is no rule that hindus have to wear the sacred thread all the time, unlike in Islam where the radicals often issue diktats instructing all good muslims to grow their beards.

Get the difference?

Something tells me that the thread is never worn as a fashion accessory - there's probably a religious reason for him to be wearing it.
 
there's probably a religious reason for him to be wearing it.

Why dismiss the possibility? If there is even the slightest possibility that he may not be Muslim should it not be investigated? If the Indian security and intelligence had been more open minded then there would have been much less accusation and counter accusation between neighbors on previous terrorist acts which were in fact committed by Hindus fanatics.
 
Oh I get what you're trying to do here - you're trying to make the "Fanatical orange band" the hindu equivalent of the "mullah beard".

Well listen up mister - you're wrong. There is no rule that hindus have to wear the sacred thread all the time, unlike in Islam where the radicals often issue diktats instructing all good muslims to grow their beards.

Get the difference?

Something tells me that the thread is never worn as a fashion accessory - there's probably a religious reason for him to be wearing it.

I haven't got anything wrong. It is a religious thread worn by Hindus. It's name is Kalava or something. You can see pictures of it here.

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That's not even the Puja ritual either. So it is worn in abundance by religious devotees of Hinduism.
 
Kalava (Sanskrit: कलावा) is the sacred Hindu thread also called 'mauli' in hindi. It is worn while performing Hindu rituals like Yajna or Puja. It is tied by a priest on the wrists of all the people attending the prayer ceremony. Kalava is tied on right hand of males and unmarried females, and on left hand of married females. Sometimes it has small yellow parts in between the mostly red string. It sometimes has knots which are tied up while reciting Sanskritmantras to invoke God and is worn to ward off evil from the person who wears this red thread.
 
Good reason to wear it. To ward off the evil police while carrying out his terrorist attacks, as per his Hindu beliefs.
 
Blair wears Hindu sacred thread

3 May 2006

LONDON: British Prime Minister Tony Blair sported a sacred Hindu red thread on his wrist during heated political exchanges in the House of
Commons on Wednesday.

A spokeswoman for the government said the wristband was a gift presented to Blair when he visited a Hindu temple in Neasden, north London, last week.

Journalists spotted the thread on Blair's wrist as he was facing tough questioning from the opposition parties over a string of recent government scandals.

Blair wears Hindu sacred thread-Rest of World-World-The Times of India
 
Blair wears Hindu sacred thread

3 May 2006

LONDON: British Prime Minister Tony Blair sported a sacred Hindu red thread on his wrist during heated political exchanges in the House of
Commons on Wednesday.

A spokeswoman for the government said the wristband was a gift presented to Blair when he visited a Hindu temple in Neasden, north London, last week.

Journalists spotted the thread on Blair's wrist as he was facing tough questioning from the opposition parties over a string of recent government scandals.

Blair wears Hindu sacred thread-Rest of World-World-The Times of India

Yes, this was one of the explanations for Akhtar that I gave. Someone gave it him as a gift which he decided to wear for a day. It's still almost exclusively worn by Hindus in India.

If I recall, Obama has some Hindu lucky charms he's gotten as gifts too.
 
That's not even the Puja ritual either. So it is worn in abundance by religious devotees of Hinduism.

Its worn after the puja is completed. Its not worn as an accessory.

Its not a "lucky charm", and its not analogous with the Sikh bracelet.

Also, Blair was not presented the thread as a "gift" when he went to the hindu temple - it was tied to his wrist after the prayer was completed.
 
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