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Canadian province Ontario plans to trial universal basic income
'As Ontario’s economy grows, the government remains committed to leaving no one behind'
Ontario has announced it could soon be sending a monthly cheque to its residents as it plans to launch an experiment testing the basic income concept.
While officials in the Canadian province are yet to release any specific details of the project – including how much will be given to residents who participate – the finance ministry has published a report confirming the government’s intention to roll out the experiment.
The general concept of basic income involves a government handing out a flat-rate income to every single citizen within a country, either by replacing existing benefits or to top them up.
Proponents of the idea say it would save on welfare administration costs, reduce the poverty traps of traditional welfare states, be fair to people who have jobs, and give people more autonomy in general.
(Read more)
Canadian province Ontario plans to trial universal basic income | Americas | News | The Independent
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We Should Applaud Ontario's Plans To Pilot A Basic Income Guarantee
Hot on the heels of Quebec's plans to work towards a basic income guarantee and aGlobe and Mail Editorial Board endorsement came an announcement last Thursday of a pilot as part of Ontario's provincial budget. On that very day, Senator Art Eggleton in Ottawa tabled a motion that the Senate of Canada encourage the federal government to do the same.
The Basic Income Guarantee (BIG) is a strategy for poverty reduction that is simpler and more effective than our existing social assistance systems. Quite simply, individuals whose incomes fall below a certain level get topped up to a level that would meet basic needs. This streamlined approach would replace existing social assistance programs, and would provide much-needed income security for the increasing numbers of Canadians in precarious and part-time work. If designed correctly, it should also eliminate some of the perverse incentives of the "welfare wall" that institutionalize poverty in Canada.
(Read more)
We Should Applaud Ontario's Plans To Pilot A Basic Income Guarantee | Laura Anderson
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Canada Plans to Try a Basic Income Program to Combat Poverty\
While details about the pilot program have not been released, Ontario's government included the basic income pilot program in budget documents released on Thursday, The Huffington Post reports. Premier of Ontario Kathleen Wynne said that the government "will test a growing view at home and abroad that a basic income could build on the success of minimum wage policies and increases in child benefits by providing more consistent and predictable support in the context of today’s dynamic labour market."
Canada isn't the only country experimenting with a basic income. Finland and the Netherlands both have similar programs slated to launch this year, and voters in Switzerland will vote on a referendum to initiate a basic income system that offers citizens about $3,200 per month in June.
(Read more)
Canada Will Provide a Basic Income to Combat Poverty
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Ontario basic income pilot: What can we learn from it?
The Basic Income Guarantee is having a moment.
Hot on the heels of Quebec’s plans to work toward a basic income guarantee came an announcement last Thursday of a pilot in Ontario’s budget. Sen. Art Eggleton also tabled a motion that the Senate encourage the federal government to do the same.
The Basic Income Guarantee (BIG) is a strategy for poverty reduction that is simpler and more effective than existing social assistance systems. Individuals whose incomes fall below a certain level get topped up to a level that would meet basic needs. This streamlined approach would replace existing social assistance programs and provide much-needed income security for Canadians in precarious and part-time work. If designed correctly, it should eliminate some perverse incentives of the “welfare wall” that institutionalize poverty.
A series of pilot projects now seems inevitable. What should we hope to learn from them?
(Read more)
Ontario basic income pilot: What can we learn from it? | The Chronicle Herald
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LET ME MAKE THIS CLEAR, I am neither for, nor against basic income plans. Right now, I'm looking at both the pros and cons, and both sides have very valid arguments to make.
It has become clear that the world, at least the western world, is moving towards a basic universal income plan. This is especially important, as automation is soon going to affect upwards of 70 million jobs globally within this decade, a vast majority in the west.
We also know that a majority of countries around the world already have some form of basic income plan, even if they don't call or even recognize them as such. From the US welfare system, to Pakistan's Benazir Income Support Programme.
A small video to explain how automation will affect the world economy...
A basic understanding of one way to deal with a basic income plan...
Learn | Basic Income Supplement
For those that say such a program will make people lazy, Canada did conduct a previous pilot project (mincome project) that ended up getting shelved due to political hurdles. Regardless of the incomplete pilot, the results that were shown, were remarkable. Increased mental and physical health, decreased hospital visitation, and decreased bureaucratic nonsense. The biggest result was a 100% complete elimination of poverty and homelessness...
Mincome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
While there was a slight, negligible decrease in employment and job hunting, a majority of the decrease was due to people going back to college and university to complete their education. As for youth, high school graduation became a record high, as more youths no longer felt the need to sacrifice their studies, in order to find a job.
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My biggest concern is that the first victim of this income plan will be the universal health care. Unless the income given is between CND$30,000-40,000 annually, which it won't be, that will not cover vital hospital or clinic visits. Right now, the figure the Ontario government is rumored to be looking at is somewhere around CND$18,000-20,000 annually, which is nowhere near enough for a majority of people to even consider it a basic income.
Even if we were to say that the universal health care is not being cut, there is the concern of affordability. Ontario (not to mention Canada) is already heavily in debt, where is the money going to come from? Even if all welfare and government insurance programs were cut to pay for this scheme, it will wouldn't be enough, as just Ontario would require at least CND$150-200 BILLION to even pay 10,000 per-person and only in Ontario. Keep in mind, Canada's national budget is close to CND$250 billion, which means that Canada would have to cut vital services, just to pay for this program.
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Thoughts?
Canadian province Ontario plans to trial universal basic income
'As Ontario’s economy grows, the government remains committed to leaving no one behind'
Ontario has announced it could soon be sending a monthly cheque to its residents as it plans to launch an experiment testing the basic income concept.
While officials in the Canadian province are yet to release any specific details of the project – including how much will be given to residents who participate – the finance ministry has published a report confirming the government’s intention to roll out the experiment.
The general concept of basic income involves a government handing out a flat-rate income to every single citizen within a country, either by replacing existing benefits or to top them up.
Proponents of the idea say it would save on welfare administration costs, reduce the poverty traps of traditional welfare states, be fair to people who have jobs, and give people more autonomy in general.
(Read more)
Canadian province Ontario plans to trial universal basic income | Americas | News | The Independent
-------------
We Should Applaud Ontario's Plans To Pilot A Basic Income Guarantee
Hot on the heels of Quebec's plans to work towards a basic income guarantee and aGlobe and Mail Editorial Board endorsement came an announcement last Thursday of a pilot as part of Ontario's provincial budget. On that very day, Senator Art Eggleton in Ottawa tabled a motion that the Senate of Canada encourage the federal government to do the same.
The Basic Income Guarantee (BIG) is a strategy for poverty reduction that is simpler and more effective than our existing social assistance systems. Quite simply, individuals whose incomes fall below a certain level get topped up to a level that would meet basic needs. This streamlined approach would replace existing social assistance programs, and would provide much-needed income security for the increasing numbers of Canadians in precarious and part-time work. If designed correctly, it should also eliminate some of the perverse incentives of the "welfare wall" that institutionalize poverty in Canada.
(Read more)
We Should Applaud Ontario's Plans To Pilot A Basic Income Guarantee | Laura Anderson
-------------------------
Canada Plans to Try a Basic Income Program to Combat Poverty\
While details about the pilot program have not been released, Ontario's government included the basic income pilot program in budget documents released on Thursday, The Huffington Post reports. Premier of Ontario Kathleen Wynne said that the government "will test a growing view at home and abroad that a basic income could build on the success of minimum wage policies and increases in child benefits by providing more consistent and predictable support in the context of today’s dynamic labour market."
Canada isn't the only country experimenting with a basic income. Finland and the Netherlands both have similar programs slated to launch this year, and voters in Switzerland will vote on a referendum to initiate a basic income system that offers citizens about $3,200 per month in June.
(Read more)
Canada Will Provide a Basic Income to Combat Poverty
--------------------
Ontario basic income pilot: What can we learn from it?
The Basic Income Guarantee is having a moment.
Hot on the heels of Quebec’s plans to work toward a basic income guarantee came an announcement last Thursday of a pilot in Ontario’s budget. Sen. Art Eggleton also tabled a motion that the Senate encourage the federal government to do the same.
The Basic Income Guarantee (BIG) is a strategy for poverty reduction that is simpler and more effective than existing social assistance systems. Individuals whose incomes fall below a certain level get topped up to a level that would meet basic needs. This streamlined approach would replace existing social assistance programs and provide much-needed income security for Canadians in precarious and part-time work. If designed correctly, it should eliminate some perverse incentives of the “welfare wall” that institutionalize poverty.
A series of pilot projects now seems inevitable. What should we hope to learn from them?
(Read more)
Ontario basic income pilot: What can we learn from it? | The Chronicle Herald
-------
LET ME MAKE THIS CLEAR, I am neither for, nor against basic income plans. Right now, I'm looking at both the pros and cons, and both sides have very valid arguments to make.
It has become clear that the world, at least the western world, is moving towards a basic universal income plan. This is especially important, as automation is soon going to affect upwards of 70 million jobs globally within this decade, a vast majority in the west.
We also know that a majority of countries around the world already have some form of basic income plan, even if they don't call or even recognize them as such. From the US welfare system, to Pakistan's Benazir Income Support Programme.
A small video to explain how automation will affect the world economy...
A basic understanding of one way to deal with a basic income plan...
Learn | Basic Income Supplement
For those that say such a program will make people lazy, Canada did conduct a previous pilot project (mincome project) that ended up getting shelved due to political hurdles. Regardless of the incomplete pilot, the results that were shown, were remarkable. Increased mental and physical health, decreased hospital visitation, and decreased bureaucratic nonsense. The biggest result was a 100% complete elimination of poverty and homelessness...
Mincome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
While there was a slight, negligible decrease in employment and job hunting, a majority of the decrease was due to people going back to college and university to complete their education. As for youth, high school graduation became a record high, as more youths no longer felt the need to sacrifice their studies, in order to find a job.
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My biggest concern is that the first victim of this income plan will be the universal health care. Unless the income given is between CND$30,000-40,000 annually, which it won't be, that will not cover vital hospital or clinic visits. Right now, the figure the Ontario government is rumored to be looking at is somewhere around CND$18,000-20,000 annually, which is nowhere near enough for a majority of people to even consider it a basic income.
Even if we were to say that the universal health care is not being cut, there is the concern of affordability. Ontario (not to mention Canada) is already heavily in debt, where is the money going to come from? Even if all welfare and government insurance programs were cut to pay for this scheme, it will wouldn't be enough, as just Ontario would require at least CND$150-200 BILLION to even pay 10,000 per-person and only in Ontario. Keep in mind, Canada's national budget is close to CND$250 billion, which means that Canada would have to cut vital services, just to pay for this program.
@Oscar @waz @notorious_eagle @niaz @MastanKhan @Horus @WebMaster @MaarKhoor @Desertfalcon @WAJsal @jaibi @TankMan @HAIDER @jhungary @Chinese-Dragon @Windjammer @Quwa @Nihonjin1051 @Zarvan @pakistani342 @Talwar e Pakistan @nair @500 @DavidSling @boomslang @gambit @dadeechi @Icarus @Irfan Baloch @Imran Khan @Atanz @Viper0011. @mingle @Spring Onion @DESERT FIGHTER @Abingdonboy @Akheilos @Syed.Ali.Haider @Abu Zolfiqar @SpArK @fatman17 @Armstrong @AgNoStiC MuSliM @cb4
Thoughts?
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