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Can today's India compare to China around 15 years ago?

Please. That's also considered humble. I've argued with another poster which claimed that India will reach the HDI of France and the US by 2030. And he's not a troll, he genuinely believes in it.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/new-...ry-by-2030-jaitley.442280/page-9#post-9903983

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/new-...y-by-2030-jaitley.442280/page-10#post-9910063
To be fair,indians were much more humble before modi becoming president .although indians like to brag ,but they were defenitely not bragging like this .

Something were out of control after modi being elected,they seem to believe modi has some magic power,that's the main reason why the level of optimism what indians have today reached a historic peak which we have never seen before.

Whether we like it or not we have to get used to it,and I don't think this thing can be changed in the forseeable future
 
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To be fair,indians were much more humble before modi becoming president .although indians like to brag ,but they were defenitely not bragging like this .

Something were out of control after modi being elected,they seem to believe modi has some magic power,that's the main reason why the level of optimism what indians have today reached a historic peak which we have never seen before.

Whether we like it or not we have to get used to it,and I don't think this thing can be changed in the forseeable future

It's the keyboard warriors who are detached from the vast majority of their fellow countrymen, or they just want to look good infront of other countries. I've read many articles from India before as well as the comments. Many of them recognized that India is very far behind China in many areas.

But either way, both of them constitute only a very small minority of India. What's the percentage of Indians who can surf the internet and is fluent in English?
 
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To be fair,indians were much more humble before modi becoming president .although indians like to brag ,but they were defenitely not bragging like this .
Actually they were worse. Ask some of the Chinese posters who been here since 2011during Singh's ruling party ran India. Just as big mouth as now but more delusional
 
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Actually they were worse. Ask some of the Chinese posters who been here since 2011during Singh's ruling party ran India. Just as big mouth as now but more delusional
I agree. They are a delusional bunch of people. They are easily brainwashed by their RSS SANGHIS or whatever they call it.
 
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Based on Indian logic lets look into the future, 15 years from now India should have caught up right? India 2033 equals China 2033. If India fails to deliver this, what excuse slumdogs gonna use then? :lol: Don't tell me they gonna repeat the same old sh!t again.
 
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Thank goodness,
Shanghai finally surpassed Mumbai

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Hmm interesting, about same time ago USA was at chinas current gdp, lets take a look at some of similar standards..

Train standards in china..

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Traffic in china..

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Standard of living in urban china for non ccp poor chinese..

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Chinese people famous dirty and lack of hygiene news..

Vent for bad and dirty guests from China - Airbnb ...
https://community.withairbnb.com › td-p


Why is China so dirty? | the Beijinger
The Beijinger › forum › 2015/06/19 › w...

"Chinese people are dirty animals!" - On hygiene (or the lack thereof)
www.adventuresfromamoy.com › chines...

When will china come up to us or european white man standards...maybe 2050 i guess. :lol:
 
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Because the west doesn't feel India is a threat to them so their news outlet praise India instead of exposing their fake numbers. I don't think the west will expose them as long as they remain a good doggie dog. In the eyes of the west india is a good dog to be used
At the same time, they put "fake" GDP or GDP per capita figures for China,
Please. That's also considered humble. I've argued with another poster who claimed that India will reach the HDI of France and the US by 2030. And he's not a troll, he genuinely believes in it.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/new-...ry-by-2030-jaitley.442280/page-9#post-9903983

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/new-...y-by-2030-jaitley.442280/page-10#post-9910063
Their so-called HDI is a joke fabricated by their vedic math:
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http://megplanning.gov.in/MHDR/2.pdf
This is the HDI in 2005 from their government report: Look at the combined HDI, almost all states have HDI close to 0.7, while their country's overall HDI of 0.575... So should we debate with them over their B.S HDI of their states? Should we believe anything from some shameless from SP12?
This is why I will never use such stats like HDI, and only use some apparent indicators like cars sales numbers, which was given out by the enterprises, and can not be manipulated easily.

Hmm interesting, about same time ago USA was at chinas current gdp, lets take a look at some of similar standards..

Train standards in china..

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Traffic in china..

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Standard of living in urban china for non ccp poor chinese..

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Chinese people famous dirty and lack of hygiene news..

Vent for bad and dirty guests from China - Airbnb ...
https://community.withairbnb.com › td-p


Why is China so dirty? | the Beijinger
The Beijinger › forum › 2015/06/19 › w...

"Chinese people are dirty animals!" - On hygiene (or the lack thereof)
www.adventuresfromamoy.com › chines...

When will china come up to us or european white man standards...maybe 2050 i guess. :lol:
You can post what ever dark sides of China, but you can not change one fact, which is: even in 2018, you can not find one single bright spot in your country which can match our early 2000s level...
 
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Hmm interesting, about same time ago USA was at chinas current gdp, lets take a look at some of similar standards..

Train standards in china..

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Traffic in china..

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Standard of living in urban china for non ccp poor chinese..

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View attachment 461600

Chinese people famous dirty and lack of hygiene news..

Vent for bad and dirty guests from China - Airbnb ...
https://community.withairbnb.com › td-p


Why is China so dirty? | the Beijinger
The Beijinger › forum › 2015/06/19 › w...

"Chinese people are dirty animals!" - On hygiene (or the lack thereof)
www.adventuresfromamoy.com › chines...

When will china come up to us or european white man standards...maybe 2050 i guess. :lol:
That's the reality reported by Indian press with first hand experience
 
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Indians always compare it with today's China over everything, while there is virtually nothing comparable. But if we compare today's India with China around 15±3 years ago, are they comparable then?
Well, there is a hot debate on quora.com about 2017's India vs China in 2004. https://www.quora.com/India’s-economy-is-2-trillion-dollars-which-China-had-in-2004-but-I-dont-see-the-same-living-standard-infrastructure-in-India-as-China-had-in-2004-What-should-we-correct
It seems even those more practical, modest and humble Indians are very confident on this comparison, let alone those ignorant and arrogant ones mentioned above. But the harsh reality is that in terms of development, India can hardly match China in the early 2000s.
As the saying goes: seeing is believing. My way of judging things would always be primarily based on what I see, either in person or from videos (not the propaganda ones, but filmed by ordinary people). Statistics comes secondary, and can be used as support. Let's first see some videos to get a direct impression, and then look into some apparent statistics:

Shenzhen around 2006:
AC buses, decent cars, office buildings, the degree of orderliness, we can not find such level of development anywhere in today's India.
Same is true for:
Shanghai in 2002:
Shanghai in 2000:

Besides urban development, lets compare the infrastructure like railways:
We have the magnet train since 2004:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_maglev_train
And a bunch of self developed high speed EMUs like:
200km/h class "Blue Arrow" EMU (entered service since 2001):
https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/DJJ1型电力动车组
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270 km/h "China Star" EMU (entered service since 2005, and later cancelled due to development new generation CRH trains)
https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/DJJ2型电力动车组
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UT_iOqa5g-Q
These are not seen in today's India either.

Expressway:
China had over 19,000 km length of expressways in 2001, ranked 2nd in the world, while India has less than 2,000 km today.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expressways_in_India
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expressways_of_China
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1016/j.polsoc.2012.01.007

Car sales:
Total auto sales number of China in 2003 was 4,39 million, while this number for India in 2017 is 4.02 million. The numbers look similar, but let's take a closer look at what kind of cars were sold:
http://xxw3441.blog.163.com/blog/static/753836242017267391228/
http://news.bitauto.com/hao/wenzhang/650270
China in 2003:
No.1 VW Jetta: 143,121 units
No.2 VW Santana: 122,663 units
No.3 VW Passat: 122,445 units
No.4 Tianjin Xiali: 96,180 units
No.5 VW Santana2000: 92,892 units
No.6 Buick Regal: 89,988 units
No.7 Honda Accord: 80,450 units

No.8 VW Bora: 78,068 units
No.9 Changan Alto: 61,302 units
No.10 Audi A6: 53,108 units
http://auto.sohu.com/2004/04/09/50/article219785057.shtml

As you can see, except Alto, all are serious cars, as you have already seen from the Chinese city videos above.
India in 2017:
1. Maruti Suzuki Alto – 257,732 units
2. Maruti Suzuki Swift Dzire – 225,043 units
3. Maruti Suzuki Baleno – 177,209 units
4. Maruti Suzuki Swift – 167,371 units
5. Maruti Suzuki Wagon R – 166,814 units
6. Hyundai Grand i10 – 154,787 units
7. Maruti Suzuki Vitara Brezza – 140,945 units
8. Hyundai Elite i20 – 134,103 units
9. Hyundai Creta – 105,484 units
10. Maruti Suzuki Celerio – 100,860 units

https://www.carwale.com/news/highest-selling-cars-of-india-in-2017/
If you are interested, do check what kind of little midget cars are sold and running on Indian streets...
And let's compare the luxury car sales:
For India, in 2017, all the luxury brand cars combined sold less than our Audi A6 model alone (53,108 units), let alone the BMW, Mercedes-Benz and other Audi models.
India's luxury car sales in 2017:
"Continuing last year’s trend, Mercedes-Benz has retain top position by selling 15,300 units in 2017, an improvement of around 16% from the previous year. BMW group (including Mini) too managed to register a splendid growth of 25%, up from 7,500 units in 2016 to 9,800 units in 2017."
https://www.rushlane.com/luxury-car-sales-for-2017-12259854.html

In terms of GDP per capita, today's India should be comparable with 2005's China,(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_past_and_projected_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita) But even with the factors such as inflation taken into consideration, India's low purchasing power like buying cars are just unbelievable, for example, in the early 2000s, cars like VW Passat , Honda Accord, and Buick Regal cost around 40,000 USD; While Audi A6 cost more than 60,000 USD in China. Even VW jetta or Santana costs around 15,000 USD, (the exchange rate then is around 1USD=8CNY), but still we saw significant sales for these models; but in today's India, people can only afford those Suzuki and Hyundai little midget cars; any cars with a price tag above USD 20,000, can hardly achieve any significant sales. Very weird indeed.

Based on these simple and apparent facts, although Indians talk loudly and boast hard all over the internet about their development and growth, such as SP2012, the reality is a little bit bitter for them, and about their true level of development, what do you think?
Luxury car and item sales are not a good comparison here. The typical Chinese family spends way more money on cars and luxury items compared to the typical Indian household in the same income bracket. The societal pressures dictate this. This difference in behaviors is easy to spot even in first gen immigrants here in the USA.
Also to add to your point of cost of cars: A Honda Accord starts at about $49k, and an Audi A6 around $75k in India at the moment.
Invalid comparison.
That said- yes we are a little behind, no doubt about it. Whether we will be neck to neck with China is hard to say, but we are poised to be huge. A lot of India’s problems have already started to go away.

Meanwhile the Pakistani posers keep posting feel-good replies.
 
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That's the reality reported by Indian press with first hand experience
Meanwhile also watch what happens in your capital, buy too many cars but no sense on how to drive it, still act as third world poor chinamen in german Volkswagens..

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Thousands stuck in 50-lane traffic jam in BeijingUSA Today - Oct 9, 2015
 
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You can post what ever dark sides of China, but you can not change one fact, which is: even in 2018, you can not find one single bright spot in your country which can match our early 2000s leve

Sure we can even compare 2018 to 2018,

For one every indian with money does not go looking to settle in white mans land because china is so dirty and lacks basic human necessities like clean air and decent education..

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Education and pollution are driving China's rich to emigrate. If China can solve these issues, then the primary incentive to emigrate will have been taken away."

https://m.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/07...aires-want-to-emigrate-and-canada-s-thei_a_23

And nowhere is indians sending yound women into white mans brothels like china does to earn dollars and euros, every city you go there is a chinese massage parlor filled with trafficked chinese women, 15 years to 80 years all selling for dollars you know..

US lists China as among worst human trafficking offenders - CNNPolitics - CNN.com
https://www.cnn.com › politics

China's Trafficked Brides | The Diplomat
https://thediplomat.com › 2017/07 › chin...

Inside the Dark World of Child Trafficking in China - The Atlantic

Yeah let me know if you need more chinese bright spots in 2018..:lol:
 
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Sure we can even compare 2018 to 2018,

For one every indian with money does not go looking to settle in white mans land because china is so dirty and lacks basic human necessities like clean air and decent education..

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https://m.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/07...aires-want-to-emigrate-and-canada-s-thei_a_23

And nowhere is indians sending yound women into white mans brothels like china does to earn dollars and euros, every city you go there is a chinese massage parlor filled with trafficked chinese women, 15 years to 80 years all selling for dollars you know..

US lists China as among worst human trafficking offenders - CNNPolitics - CNN.com
https://www.cnn.com › politics

China's Trafficked Brides | The Diplomat
https://thediplomat.com › 2017/07 › chin...

Inside the Dark World of Child Trafficking in China - The Atlantic

Yeah let me know if you need more chinese bright spots in 2018..:lol:
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And....
Next time, we will show no mercy!
 
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