Can the United States take Hussain Haqqani seriously?

[sakha39]

Erdogan was here in Pakistan on ECO summit and the forces here arrested a German national in the area which was restricted. There was a thread made on it on PDF and people started calling it that he was just a hippy arrested but as Erdogan returned home he accused Germany of harboring terrorists and his statement made me understand the coordination and info sharing is getting larger and larger between all allies.

This is rather an odd judgement to make. Arrest of German national and its link to Erodgan accusations against Germany. (Pak Turk schools in another matter but this is hilarious)

In hindsight, if it is indeed such a case our LEA's would have stooped to a new low.

Tell me how do you come up with such links. I am sure LEA's can use such brilliant insights to link up seemingly random events

 

[Path-Finder]

He sells the exact kind of munjan that this guy likes. That is the only real credential here.

as you can see by this very thread the bastard haqqani's munjan is purchased mostly by indians these days as the fat swine taraaq faata become even more heinous and haqqani is on track of becoming the same ogre. all the while the munjan shop in the US is coming to an end so time to earn indian rupee instead of dollars!

 

[sakha39]

He sells the exact kind of munjan that this guy likes. That is the only real credential here.

I would appreciate if you would describe manjan. If anything that goes against establishment narrative is manjan, I can't help you. In that case you should rather go to a thankyou page than here.

And would you elaborate as to what pearls of wisdom does people like Zaid hamid or whomever you follow impart so mere mortals like me can also benefit from them.

and what credentials does he have to begin with? talking about bots your lavatory id activated to defend the honor of bastard haqqani. how strange!

Found this on a PDF member ID. Thought you should read it.

"Personal attacks are only an admission of the inability to respond to the contents of posts."

 

[Path-Finder]

I would appreciate if you would describe manjan. If anything that goes against establishment narrative is manjan, I can't help you. In that case you should rather go to a thankyou page than here.

And would you elaborate as to what pearls of wisdom does people like Zaid hamid or whomever you follow impart so mere mortals like me can also benefit from them.



Found this on a PDF member ID. Thought you should read it.

"Personal attacks are only an admission of the inability to respond to the contents of posts."

and?

 

[sakha39]

and?

Isn't that obvious

Here in case you still confused.

and what credentials does he have to begin with? talking about bots your lavatory id activated to defend the honor of bastard haqqani. how strange!

 

[Path-Finder]

Isn't that obvious

Here in case you still confused.

listen you activated your ID to defend your master the bastard haqqani. you can clean his lavatory all you like but my opinion of that bastard ain't gonna change.

how is that for obvious?

 

[sakha39]

Please take your bollywood media propaganda crap to your own vested filth forums, there is no status qou but our people, nation and military will continue to fight until the day your tyranny and oppression is finally broken against our people and you will pay for every drop of blood that you have spilled ten folds and Pakistan army isn't going anywhere because get this through your thick head baniya we are the Pakistan's army.

One thing I do not like about PDF is that we have to tolerate these Indians who come here like rats on a ship.

These are word of Dwight D. Eisenhower after Stalin died. Keeping apart US actions his words have universal meaning. This is what peace can achieve between Indian and Pakistan.

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed."

This is the real cost of war. These are real people whose lives are lost in nationalistic demagoguery. Real brave men in PA who perish to justify these hate mongerers. Economies falter, hunger and poverty spreads.

listen you activated your ID to defend your master the bastard haqqani. you can clean his lavatory all you like but my opinion of that bastard ain't gonna change.

how is that for obvious?

Nothing surprising here. No one asking you to change your opinions. You are entitled to yours, I am entitled to mine.

All I am asking for is the rationale through which you arrived upon them.

As far as I can understand, BOL TV, Shahid masood and youtube conspiracies form your premise. If not prove me otherwise. From a fellow Pakistani

 

[SQ8]

Was labeled isn't?
http://pakteahouse.net/2009/11/26/w...jinnah-of-being-an-indian-and-american-agent/
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/when...ng-an-indian-and-american-agent.373155/page-4
https://www.google.com.au/amp/natio...-short-history-of-traitorship-in-pakistan/amp
Sir I used word ( labled? ) and there were interesting thread on it by @secure.

My concern is only the word traitor he or she or them used much in our history and it's lost its meaning.

Its not just Pakistan
Both the informed and ignorant all
Over the world take stands on words and terms that make them pretty pointless at the end
The better way is to recognize the intelligent argument and stay away from both the brash ignorants, pseudointellectual bullies and loghorrea; focus on verifiable facts- from multiple sources within the field and positions then decide

 

[Post Colonnial]

And now he is on the run form our courts

Well he has not appeared for his defense
https://www.dawn.com/news/1016037

Pakistan's government credibility does not equal to any single person's crediblity. Also for your next comment, Even Taliban were once very highly placed for US and top leaders.
Your argument is invalid and insignificant.

In your haste to demonstrate what seems like patriotism if you dismiss people like HH who speak the truth of Pakistan, you are not really being patriotic but actually causing severe harm to it by misleading Pakistanis. Are you claiming that your countries military and civilian leaders - Zia, Menazir, Nawas Sherief were all traitors and you patriotic?

 

[Path-Finder]

These are word of Dwight D. Eisenhower after Stalin died. Keeping apart US actions his words have universal meaning. This is what peace can achieve between Indian and Pakistan.

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed."

This is the real cost of war. These are real people whose lives are lost in nationalistic demagoguery. Real brave men in PA who perish to justify these hate mongerers. Economies falter, hunger and poverty spreads.



Nothing surprising here. No one asking you to change your opinions. You are entitled to yours, I am entitled to mine.

All I am asking for is the rationale through which you arrived upon them.

As far as I can understand, BOL TV, Shahid masood and youtube conspiracies form your premise. If not prove me otherwise. From a fellow Pakistani

you know what i love about the likes of your mind set is that they are so liberal that they cannot decide which hand to use when wiping their behind. Only we those who do not share the imported view are morons, imbeciles yet the liberal doo doo's are carrying the righteous march. am I right? i mean your idols like Geo with hamid mir, najam sethi and many other handful of likeminded folks can taken from your premise?

sharing the love

P.S nice try to corner me with "BOL TV, Shahid masood and youtube conspiracies" it's a age old tactic

 

[ABCharlie]

Can the United States take Hussain Haqqani seriously?

I doubt he takes himself seriously.

 

[The Eagle]

In your haste to demonstrate what seems like patriotism if you dismiss people like HH who speak the truth of Pakistan, you are not really being patriotic but actually causing severe harm to it by misleading Pakistanis. Are you claiming that your countries military and civilian leaders - Zia, Menazir, Nawas Sherief were all traitors and you patriotic?

There are other people that spoke truth which was subjected to India but our friends across the border did not acknowledge the same yet joins the bandwagon of HH (the court absconder and read Zardari era for the same) when he is against Pakistan, became truthful. He speaks against Pakistan and rest about his truth, not at all. If the matter be discussed based upon intellectual level of the person then there is an ex-US official who loudly said on stage that how India is involved in anti-Pakistan activities through Afghanistan so that is also a truth so the list goes on. However, enemy of my enemy is my friend theory is well common so not the fault of India at all. He is only speaking the pro-enemy truth because he holds lot of grudge against PA and is a runaway/Court absconder as per law but the irony is, he has been treated now as a truth symbol.

He is nothing but another pawn and part of the game that soon will be off-stage loosing credibility rapidly. The truth would have been if he spoke about Zardari's loot, anti-Pakistan elements and the real enemy of Pakistan but his truth is in favour of what anti-Pakistan wants to listen which reminds how Blair and Bush convinced everyone to attack Iraq against fake intelligence feed of WMDs. So, people like PM & President level can lie and wage war against a sovereign country how come HH holds the degree of being angel speaking in the same tone. The game of these times are played without truth so there is no existence of truth at all but self interest and benefits to the few.

Leave the truth aside which is nowhere in his story but say, who will buy the same.

 

[schoolboy]

as Erdogan returned home he accused Germany of harboring terrorists and his statement made me understand the coordination and info sharing is getting larger and larger between all allies.

That says more about Erdogan's paranoia than about Germany.

He is nothing but another pawn and part of the game that soon will be off-stage loosing credibility rapidly. The truth would have been if he spoke about Zardari's loot, anti-Pakistan elements and the real enemy of Pakistan but his truth is in favour of what anti-Pakistan wants to listen

Well HH is not a career civil service officer or political leader so one would not expect him to be aware of the details of Zardari's loot, etc. He speaks on foreign affairs - which was his area of competency.

We've never had an instance of such a senior functionary as an ambassador defecting but if he did - and assuming he commented about Indian flaws I'd take that seriously.

HH has been an intellectual and an academic even before he became ambassador to US. He's hardly the sort of man who would speak untruths for a few crores - I mean what can India possibly give him that he does not already have from his eventful life abroad?

If you are aware of something he has said against India - by all means that can and should be discussed. But don't diss the man for being non-conformist.

 

[The Eagle]

Well HH is not a career civil service officer or political leader so one would not expect him to be aware of the details of Zardari's loot, etc. He speaks on foreign affairs - which was his area of competency.

He was the part of Zardari's US contacts and different settlements.

We've never had an instance of such a senior functionary as an ambassador defecting but if he did - and assuming he commented about Indian flaws I'd take that seriously.

HH has been an intellectual and an academic even before he became ambassador to US. He's hardly the sort of man who would speak untruths for a few crores - I mean what can India possibly give him that he does not already have from his eventful life abroad?

This is not about what India can give him as he is already the doing the job well done hence, becoming the start of many eyes. Greed is bad thing and such people are available as freelancers for many warfare.

If you are aware of something he has said against India - by all means that can and should be discussed. But don't diss the man for being non-conformist.

An absconder of the Court here in Pakistan. Read memo gate in details.

 

[Post Colonnial]

There are other people that spoke truth which was subjected to India but our friends across the border did not acknowledge the same yet joins the bandwagon of HH (the court absconder and read Zardari era for the same) when he is against Pakistan, became truthful. He speaks against Pakistan and rest about his truth, not at all. If the matter be discussed based upon intellectual level of the person then there is an ex-US official who loudly said on stage that how India is involved in anti-Pakistan activities through Afghanistan so that is also a truth so the list goes on. However, enemy of my enemy is my friend theory is well common so not the fault of India at all. He is only speaking the pro-enemy truth because he holds lot of grudge against PA and is a runaway/Court absconder as per law but the irony is, he has been treated now as a truth symbol.

He is nothing but another pawn and part of the game that soon will be off-stage loosing credibility rapidly. The truth would have been if he spoke about Zardari's loot, anti-Pakistan elements and the real enemy of Pakistan but his truth is in favour of what anti-Pakistan wants to listen which reminds how Blair and Bush convinced everyone to attack Iraq against fake intelligence feed of WMDs. So, people like PM & President level can lie and wage war against a sovereign country how come HH holds the degree of being angel speaking in the same tone. The game of these times are played without truth so there is no existence of truth at all but self interest and benefits to the few.

Leave the truth aside which is nowhere in his story but say, who will buy the same.

you are defending everything except the topic in question. You call him unpatriotic - yet youR country's elected AND military leaders kept seeking him, offered him high positions and worked with him. So are you calling your military leaders and civilian leader all unpatriotic? Why else will they employ a guy who you say is a traitor?