Can Taliban stop TTP and other terrorist organizations?

[Patriot forever]

@Areesh I am not saying old Afghan gov was good

But AT cannot be trusted, we need to be very careful

Our attitude suggests we'll just lay back and relax

This is the issue and my concern

The most difficult period for Pakistan was when kabul regime was at the strongest, with the maximum amount of foreign troops, and Taliban at the weakest.

Gen Razik handled BLA in collaboratiin with Achakzai/kakar and was incharge of its operations and training, he was an Indian asset. His brother fled to India is that not obvious enough.

To simplify things for better understanding, TTP has many factions, the strongest one which is heading TTP now is an ally of ISIS and u der heavy influence of NDS/RAW. The factions that were more independent and did not accept dictation or got too close to AT are cracked down on by ANDSF/NDS etc and sent to prisons ( where they are tortured, threatned manipulsted and converted into assets).

In the current TTP, AT do not have much influence as compared to other hostile agencies. This is very evident from the change in their flag and adapting a flag similar to ISIS (TTP Mohmand).

The current TTP has a working relation with PTM and pisteen is instructed not to say anything against them and only target AT.

 

[Lincoln]

Ok some people are saying that Taliban victory will lead to more terrorism in Pakistan

While some are saying TTP joined ISIS
(Afghan Taliban and ISIS are enemies)

There's any truth to it? or Thier are factions within TTP with some joining ISIS while some staying Independent/with AT

2- Will Pakistanis take inspiration from AT which ll result in rise of extremism?

3- Are Taliban strong enough to take on all the organizations within thier borders in the next 2-3 years

Considering Afghanistan is home to Ughars, TTP, Uzbek, Tajik, even BLA (although some say it's in Iran)

Can they successfully route out all these groups within the next couple of years

(Provided they are interested in it in the first place)

Taliban want to bring the entirety of Afghanistan under Sharia law. Can't do this when there are other factions. Furthermore, they won't give haven to separatist, nationalist factions at the very least that wish to launch attacks on other nations. So I think those organizations will only survive underground.

I think there are 2 concerns:

1. It could inspire elements in Pakistan wanting to establish Sharia law by force.
2. Having the new government accept the durand line once and for all. But what if they refuse, then what does that imply for our future relations with Afghanistan and conflict.

 

[Pak Nationalist]

V

Ok some people are saying that Taliban victory will lead to more terrorism in Pakistan

While some are saying TTP joined ISIS
(Afghan Taliban and ISIS are enemies)

There's any truth to it? or Thier are factions within TTP with some joining ISIS while some staying Independent/with AT

2- Will Pakistanis take inspiration from AT which ll result in rise of extremism?

3- Are Taliban strong enough to take on all the organizations within thier borders in the next 2-3 years

Considering Afghanistan is home to Ughars, TTP, Uzbek, Tajik, even BLA (although some say it's in Iran)

Can they successfully route out all these groups within the next couple of years

(Provided they are interested in it in the first place)

Slight correction*

BLF is based in Iran. BLA is a separate and the oldest insurgent group of Balochistan (dates back to the British raj). BRAS became the umbrella organization to assist RAW in managing all these disparate organizations under a single banner.

The most difficult period for Pakistan was when kabul regime was at the strongest, with the maximum amount of foreign troops, and Taliban at the weakest.

Gen Razik handled BLA in collaboratiin with Achakzai/kakar and was incharge of its operations and training, he was an Indian asset. His brother fled to India is that not obvious enough.

To simplify things for better understanding, TTP has many factions, the strongest one which is heading TTP now is an ally of ISIS and u der heavy influence of NDS/RAW. The factions that were more independent and did not accept dictation or got too close to AT are cracked down on by ANDSF/NDS etc and sent to prisons ( where they are tortured, threatned manipulsted and converted into assets).

In the current TTP, AT do not have much influence as compared to other hostile agencies. This is very evident from the change in their flag and adapting a flag similar to ISIS (TTP Mohmand).

The current TTP has a working relation with PTM and pisteen is instructed not to say anything against them and only target AT.

Jamat ul Ahrar was a splinter group from TTP that took the oath of allegiance (bait) of Baghdadi (ISIS's self-styled Caliph). According to reports TTA had a role in the merger of various splinters groups of TTP in the last year. Others ascribe it to the Indian intelligence. So, currently, TTP has moved away from ISIS. TTA itself would face a conundrum even if (A BIG IF) it wants to go after TTP because doing so would push it in the hands of ISKP (ISIS's franchise for Pakistan and Afghanistan). Having said that, I do not think that TTA would touch TTP. TTP has bled beside them in Afghanistan in their war against the USAF. If things won't get worse, these would not get better either. As I said in another thread, we have to look for certain markers to understand which way TTA is going. Those markers include cross-border raids on our outposts along the border and the free movement of TTP operatives across the futile fencing infrastructure (generally a wasted investment).

 

[Pak Nationalist]

This was what was happening in Afghanistan when "liberals and seculars" were ruling Afghanistan

TTP:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1076849295792488448

BLA:

Banned BLA leader killed in Kandahar suicide attack

Banned BLA leader killed in Kandahar suicide attack

Reports say suicide attack was carried out at a house in Aino Maina area, an upscale locality of Kandahar.

www.dawn.com

But apparently Taliban ruling Afghanistan would be bad for Pakistan

I would advise caution. The nexus between TTP and TTA is real. We must not become a laughing stock for Indians in the future by prematurely celebrating the TTA takeover of Afghanistan today. Let's wait to see if they practically assuage our concerns pertaining to TTP. Even if they do (A BIG IF, highly suspicious), tribal districts would still simmer. The reason is that the TTP is already back in the tribal districts, making the entire fencing exercise a waste of energy and resources. It has merged into the masses like before and inflicts casualties upon FC and regular troops stationed in erstwhile FATA.

 

[Patriot forever]

V


Slight correction*

BLF is based in Iran. BLA is a separate and the oldest insurgent group of Balochistan (dates back to the British raj). BRAS became the umbrella organization to assist RAW in managing all these disparate organizations under a single banner.

Jamat ul Ahrar was a splinter group from TTP that took the oath of allegiance (bait) of Baghdadi (ISIS's self-styled Caliph). According to reports TTA had a role in the merger of various splinters groups of TTP in the last year. Others ascribe it to the Indian intelligence. So, currently, TTP has moved away from ISIS. TTA itself would face a conundrum even if (A BIG IF) it wants to go after TTP because doing so would push it in the hands of ISKP (ISIS's franchise for Pakistan and Afghanistan). Having said that, I do not think that TTA would touch TTP. TTP has bled beside them in Afghanistan in their war against the USAF. If things won't get worse, these would not get better either. As I said in another thread, we have to look for certain markers to understand which way TTA is going. Those markers include cross-border raids on our outposts along the border and the free movement of TTP operatives across the futile fencing infrastructure (generally a wasted investment).

Bro its the opposite to from what i can tell.

This is the most recent interview with TTP chief. Point to note is the change in flag. What is happening is TTP is gathering factions and the ISIS is a formal part of them now, instead of moving away. This new alliance is under influence of hostile agencies more than AT.

 

[iLION12345_1]

No they cannot, they’ve already been freeing AQ and TTP prisoners. There’s a big test ahead for Pakistan as well. Surely this is overall a victory for Pakistan, but we’re celebrating prematurely, we haven’t even gotten what we wanted out of the Taliban takeover yet and we’re already celebrating our asses off.

 

[pakdefender]

There is soon going to be Taliban led government in Afghanistan and the WoT is officially over in AFG with exit of US/NATO forces and final lowering of the US flag today.

The TTP was a always a counter intelligence operation directed against Pakistan that was being directly assisted by the RAW NDS nexus and also other hostile intelligence agencies , they have all folded in the last few days.

Ghani and company have all fled like rats , the Indian consulates in Jalalabad and elsewhere have packed up and left , the rat Amrullah Saleh who was boastful about having informants in exFATA has fled , the TTP's covert support base stands dismantled

It is all over for the TTP

Bro its the opposite to from what i can tell.

This is the most recent interview with TTP chief. Point to note is the change in flag. What is happening is TTP is gathering factions and the ISIS is a formal part of them now, instead of moving away. This new alliance is under influence of hostile agencies more than AT.


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If you dig into what this cock sucker said in the interview to the CNN , you can easily make out that he is trying to find some new purpose to remain relevant since he could see the writing on the wall that with the current trend he is soon going to become irrelevant

 

[jupiter2007]

Ok some people are saying that Taliban victory will lead to more terrorism in Pakistan

While some are saying TTP joined ISIS
(Afghan Taliban and ISIS are enemies)

There's any truth to it? or Thier are factions within TTP with some joining ISIS while some staying Independent/with AT

2- Will Pakistanis take inspiration from AT which ll result in rise of extremism?

3- Are Taliban strong enough to take on all the organizations within thier borders in the next 2-3 years

Considering Afghanistan is home to Ughars, TTP, Uzbek, Tajik, even BLA (although some say it's in Iran)

Can they successfully route out all these groups within the next couple of years

(Provided they are interested in it in the first place)

Most of them will be eliminated, some might move to Iran and continue their activities from there. We need to closely work with Iran and not allow NDS and RAW to orchestrate any attack on Pakistan from Iran.

 

[Tomcats]

The people that are claiming that Taliban victory will lead to more terrorism in Pakistan need to see a shrink. A totally illogical argument. All these years Pakistan was accused of helping the Afghan Taliban and today the liberals are claiming that the same Taliban will help spread terrorism in Pakistan. It is laughable.

What terrorism will Pakistan see under the Afghan Taliban that we haven't seen under Northern Alliance thugs? India had safehavens in Afghanistan during the Northern Alliance rule. The Indians used these safehavens to attack Pakistan. No secret.

Are the Afghan Taliban going to provide India any sanctuaries to attack Pakistan? Of course not.

The Afghan Taliban track record proves they are not a threat to Pakistan nor hostile unlike Northern Alliance. Their past also proves that they are capable of running Afghan affairs.

I firmly believe that during Taliban rule weapons smuggling to BLA and TTP terrorists won't happen. BLA and TTP can be tackled very effectively during the Taliban rule in Afghanistan.

There is already smuggling it has been going on for a decade, where do you think BLA gets it's weapons from, the black market that has been created by the conflict in Afghanistan. In regards to the TTP and the Taliban, the government knows its chummyness, the establishment aka military knows it's chummyness together it is only you who seems to be infinite in your wisdom who thinks otherwise. Mark my words there will be a severe blowback if adequate measures are not taken.

They want to sabotage and create conflict between IEA and Pakistan, it suits their agenda. Its part of a deliberate media campaign. I have mentioned this before aswell.

What agenda? The evidence is infront of you hundreds of prisoners released including major commanders. They have recently came to Angoor point and mocked at Pakistani soldiers, they are running free in this new Afghanistan. Sure they will not be as persistent as the previous government in regards to the Durand line however they will be less like the previous government in regards to spillover of terrorist activity something which legitimately hurts Pakistan.

 

[Dalit]

The most difficult period for Pakistan was when kabul regime was at the strongest, with the maximum amount of foreign troops, and Taliban at the weakest.

Gen Razik handled BLA in collaboratiin with Achakzai/kakar and was incharge of its operations and training, he was an Indian asset. His brother fled to India is that not obvious enough.

To simplify things for better understanding, TTP has many factions, the strongest one which is heading TTP now is an ally of ISIS and u der heavy influence of NDS/RAW. The factions that were more independent and did not accept dictation or got too close to AT are cracked down on by ANDSF/NDS etc and sent to prisons ( where they are tortured, threatned manipulsted and converted into assets).

In the current TTP, AT do not have much influence as compared to other hostile agencies. This is very evident from the change in their flag and adapting a flag similar to ISIS (TTP Mohmand).

The current TTP has a working relation with PTM and pisteen is instructed not to say anything against them and only target AT.

Exactly. TTP and BLA will be on the run now. US/NATO and India protection is not there anymore.

Pak army and the government have a golden opportunity to rectify this mess. Provide amnesty to those that lay their weapons. Education is very important. Go after rats that continue to harras the nation. These rats won't find easy support now.

It is fair to say that TTP and BLA have been abandoned by India in Afghanistan.

 

[Signalian]

Ok some people are saying that Taliban victory will lead to more terrorism in Pakistan

While some are saying TTP joined ISIS
(Afghan Taliban and ISIS are enemies)

There's any truth to it? or Thier are factions within TTP with some joining ISIS while some staying Independent/with AT

2- Will Pakistanis take inspiration from AT which ll result in rise of extremism?

3- Are Taliban strong enough to take on all the organizations within thier borders in the next 2-3 years

Considering Afghanistan is home to Ughars, TTP, Uzbek, Tajik, even BLA (although some say it's in Iran)

Can they successfully route out all these groups within the next couple of years

(Provided they are interested in it in the first place)

Was this clause part of the negotiation and agreed upon by all the parties involved before USA withdrawal ?

When the Taliban ruled Afghanistan from 1996 to 2001 there were ZERO terrorist attacks inside Pakistan. Go figure

Have circumstances in the region remained the same or changed from 2001 till 2021 ?

 

[Patriot forever]

There is already smuggling it has been going on for a decade, where do you think BLA gets it's weapons from, the black market that has been created by the conflict in Afghanistan. In regards to the TTP and the Taliban, the government knows its chummyness, the establishment aka military knows it's chummyness together it is only you who seems to be infinite in your wisdom who thinks otherwise. Mark my words there will be a severe blowback if adequate measures are not taken.


What agenda? The evidence is infront of you hundreds of prisoners released including major commanders. They have recently came to Angoor point and mocked at Pakistani soldiers, they are running free in this new Afghanistan. Sure they will not be as persistent as the previous government in regards to the Durand line however they will be less like the previous government in regards to spillover of terrorist activity something which legitimately hurts Pakistan.

Taliban released all prisoners.

Those prisons were NDS/RAW recruiting grounds, why do you think some part of TTP was cracked down upon who dont follow their line and rest were used as proxies. People think that AT have major influence on TTP that perception is wrong, this will probably increase their influence, NDS/RAW had alot of influence on them. TTP is composed of different factions.

Anyways the point is one can not reverse 20yrs in a month. Give it time everything will settle down for the better, until than i am sure adequate measures are in place, sofar IEA has been all positive and we should reciprocate without letting our guard down.

If both countries crack down hard on ISKP ( TTP Mohmand with fighters that joined from other factions), it will be a setback to TTP as the current form of it is highly dependant and allied with ISKP, and will decrease the amount of influence of hostile agencies aswell.

We should know that NDS/RAW has made links into TTP since 2011, this was led by Nabil (than DG NDS)

If you cry out labelling AT as your enemy since day one and hoping for them to cooperate aswell sounds like a very bad plan.

 

[Khanate]

You need to separate TTP and BLA.


1. BLA is on borrowed time in Afghanistan

Can BLA shift to Iran? BRAS operates training and logistics network in Iran. What will complicate matters for Iran is BLA's attack on Chinese nationals.



2. TTP has boxed itself in

The CNN interview is likely an attempt to find new backers since TTP senses Indian influence waning in Afghanistan. It will be a challenge to convince TTA to take action against TTP.

TTP's killing of nine Chinese nationals does mean that Pakistan does not stand alone because China will place demands on TTA possibly in exchange for recognition.

 

[Path-Finder]

The people that are claiming that Taliban victory will lead to more terrorism in Pakistan need to see a shrink. A totally illogical argument. All these years Pakistan was accused of helping the Afghan Taliban and today the liberals are claiming that the same Taliban will help spread terrorism in Pakistan. It is laughable.

What terrorism will Pakistan see under the Afghan Taliban that we haven't seen under Northern Alliance thugs? India had safehavens in Afghanistan during the Northern Alliance rule. The Indians used these safehavens to attack Pakistan. No secret.

Are the Afghan Taliban going to provide India any sanctuaries to attack Pakistan? Of course not.

The Afghan Taliban track record proves they are not a threat to Pakistan nor hostile unlike Northern Alliance. Their past also proves that they are capable of running Afghan affairs.

I firmly believe that during Taliban rule weapons smuggling to BLA and TTP terrorists won't happen. BLA and TTP can be tackled very effectively during the Taliban rule in Afghanistan.

no, there is a coconut liberal tolla that is coming out of the woodworks because they want to wear bikinis and Taliban aint about that shiz. I was on a twitter space and there was a discussion on this issue and the coconut liberal folks are feeling bigger jolts of electric shock than NATO is.

now they are peddling all sorts of nonsense that ttp and afg talib are one or they will join hands. along with some stats like women will face this that the other.

honestly if you are that afraid then become a murtid.

@Areesh I am not saying old Afghan gov was good

But AT cannot be trusted, we need to be very careful

Our attitude suggests we'll just lay back and relax

This is the issue and my concern

you don't need to worry too much, you can live your liberal lifestyle in peace. now be zen.

 

[Areesh]

I would advise caution. The nexus between TTP and TTA is real. We must not become a laughing stock for Indians in the future by prematurely celebrating the TTA takeover of Afghanistan today. Let's wait to see if they practically assuage our concerns pertaining to TTP. Even if they do (A BIG IF, highly suspicious), tribal districts would still simmer. The reason is that the TTP is already back in the tribal districts, making the entire fencing exercise a waste of energy and resources. It has merged into the masses like before and inflicts casualties upon FC and regular troops stationed in erstwhile FATA.

I can understand what you are saying. But let me explain you further

Pakistan has two biggest security concerns today:

1. TTP
2. BLA


Let me discuss number 2 first

With Afghanistan under Taliban, BLA days of enjoying safe havens in Afghanistan are all over. BLA would either have to come back to mountains of Balochistan if it wishes to continue its fight against Pakistan or go to Iran and try to take refuge there like BLF but for that BLA would have to become proxy of Iran

So in a way we can say that second threat is pretty much neutralized with its safe havens gone

Now coming to number 1 aka TTP

TTP relationship with IEA is complicated. It is true that TTP fight alongside IEA against ANA or even ISKP in provinces like Kunar, Nangarhar, Khost and Paktika. But it had simply no role in many other provinces like Kunduz or Takhar or Faryab. So while some IEA leadership would have soft corner for it, many others would be neutral towards them

Now here is where Pakistan needs to play its cards wisely. Afghan Taliban need international recognition. They have spent a lot of time visiting Russia, China, even Iran to get recognition for themselves. China has already shown willingness to recognize them if they don't give support refuge to organizations like TTP or ETIM etc etc. TTP attacking Pakistan would be bad for CPEC and Chinese investments in Pakistan. So it is not that simple of a situation. These Taliban are not the Taliban of 1996. These are different Taliban. They need Pakistan's recognition along with China. So lets wait and see and play our cards wisely