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Can Saudi Arabia Create an Indigenous Defense Industry?

Guys thank you for the vote of confidence, but right now I'm at a point where the Arab and sunni bashing is making me seriously think if I should be on this forum. The absence of an Arab mod, despite numerous requests has fallen on deaf ears.

Just today an idiot tagged me and was provoking me.

Don't expect any changes to occur as long as those individual provide traffic. As long as that occurs everything is perfectly fine.

This issue and similar ones were already discussed among us Arabs ages ago and with the moderation team. As far as I am ware of nothing came out of it.

Well if you guys leave then I will have to leave :(:(

You guys are the only thing keeping me on this forum so far, as far as I'm concerned.

Well, sad to hear that but it is what it is. You have to make decisions at every step in your life and figure out what you want to spend your valuable time on.

From what I am ware of and have been told, at one point Arabs were one of the biggest communities after Indians here. People come and go. Some leave, new users arrive. Some figure out that there are greener pastures elsewhere and some are foolish enough to waste their time on the usual "events".
 
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The same ignorant barking illiterate idiot with his moronic one-liners.

I guess those Saudi Arabian engineers directly involved in the project fell down from the sky in the middle of the winter somewhere in Ukraine, right?

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As did this joint project:

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This was an important step towards creating an competent indigenous aerospace industry.

Antonov rolls out An-132 demonstrator

20 DECEMBER, 2016

SOURCE: FLIGHTGLOBAL.COM

BY: STEPHEN TRIMBLE

WASHINGTON DC
Antonov rolled out the new An-132D multipurpose turboprop transport on 20 December in Kiev, Ukraine, as the SaudiaArabia-backed project prepares to enter the flight test phase.

The roll-out of demonstrator comes about two years after Antonov launched the project, which updates the 40-year-old An-32 design with Honeywellavionics, Pratt & Whitney Canada PW150A engines and other improvements.

Assembly of the first aircraft is in Ukraine, but series manufacturing will transition to Riyadh, with the involvement of Taqnia Aeronautics and the King Abdulaziz City for Science and Technology. The Kingdom owns a 50% share of the intellectual property invested in the design of the An-132.

The An-132 is designed to carry up to 8t of cargo at altitudes up to 28,000ft. It comes equipped a suite of updated technologies, including Dowty propellers and a Liebherr air management system.

The development programme has helped Antonov survive amidst the conflict between Ukraine and Russia, the company’s former biggest customer and still a major supplier. Attending the event in Kiev included leaders of both countries involved in the An-132D programme — Ukraine president Petro Poroshenko and Saudi Arabia’s prince Turki Saud Mohammed Al Saud.

For Saudia Arabia, the programme is part of a larger effort to develop an indigenous aerospace industry ranging from supply parts to assembly aircraft.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/antonov-rolls-out-an-132-demonstrator-432607/

Why do I even bother wasting my time on those clowns?

Antanov has been out of the job and in the cold ... They had been offering AN production to their allied countries.. Including Pak.. They offered is AN 225


https://defence.pk/threads/ukraine-...he-joint-production-of-antonov-an-225.421123/


But we didn't have the cash neither the requirements... So it never materialised..



The sad and bitter reality is that KSA doesn't have the industrial capability (no mil production industry) and neither experience nor the trained manpower to complete the so called vision 2030..

One should first learn to walk before running or whatever the proverb is...

Industries and institutions take decades to build and bear fruit...

The best option for KSA is first develop manpower and a small industrial base with help from its friendly states.. Produce weapons under transfer of technology (wherever and whenever possible)... Since UK,US,EU is getting uneasy with KSA .. It can perhaps approach countries like Pak,Turkey,China etc...

It's a shame that a oil rich country can't even produce mortars and arty shells in 2017...
 
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Antanov has been out of the job and in the cold ... They had been offering AN production to their allied countries.. Including Pak.. They offered is AN 225


https://defence.pk/threads/ukraine-...he-joint-production-of-antonov-an-225.421123/


But we didn't have the cash neither the requirements... So it never materialised..



The sad and bitter reality is that KSA doesn't have the industrial capability (no mil production industry) and neither experience nor the trained manpower to complete the so called vision 2030..

One should first learn to walk before running or whatever the proverb is...

Industries and institutions take decades to build and bear fruit...

The best option for KSA is first develop manpower and a small industrial base with help from its friendly states.. Produce weapons under transfer of technology (wherever and whenever possible)... Since UK,US,EU is getting uneasy with KSA .. It can perhaps approach countries like Pak,Turkey,China etc...

It's a shame that a oil rich country can't even produce mortars and arty shells in 2017...

Oiling the wheels on a road to success

Pakinam Amer
Nature 532,

Published online
27 April 2016

With the benefit of a sustainable plan and the funds to back it, Saudi Arabia is aiming high.
Saudi Arabia's scientific development may be in its infancy, but the oil-rich Kingdom is making strides in terms of research investment and publication — with a clear ambition to one day join those in the highest echelons.

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KAUST students embark on a new school year with a commencement ceremony. The relatively new university has quickly made an impact on the Nature Index.

In 2012, Saudi Arabia had a weighted fractional count (WFC) of 52.84 in the index, sitting behind Turkey, Iran, Mexico, Chile and South Africa. In four years it rose 86.8% to reach a WFC of 98.67, leapfrogging all these countries to compete with Chile and Argentina globally. Saudi Arabia ranks at number 31 in the world in terms of WFC — up from 39 in 2012.

The country has risen even higher in specific subject areas. In chemistry, for example, it has surpassed countries with a strong scientific impact like Finland and Ireland, with its WFC rising to 66.54, achieving almost a three-fold increase from its position in 2012.

Institutionally, the country's leading science hub King Abdullah University of Science and Technology (KAUST) made an impressive leap in its WFC between 2012 and 2015, carving a place for itself to compete with American and European research powerhouses.


In just four years, its WFC has risen to become higher than those of prestigious institutions including the European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN), Brookhaven National Laboratory (BNL), the University of Georgia, United States, and Dresden University of Technology, Germany, to name a few. The output of all of these institutions dwarfed KAUST's in 2012, but KAUST's impressive trajectory since then has seen its WFC shoot to 72 in 2015, overtaking these heavy-hitters.

The country's science development ambitions have been backed by action. Since 2008, the country has embarked on a multi-tiered strategy that will see the Kingdom overhaul its science infrastructure, build high-spec labs, secure grants for research in priority areas in applied science, and link science to industries that drive the economy.

The strategy, broken into four stages to be implemented by 2030, aims to eventually “see Saudi Arabia become a leader in Asia and give it an economic power based on science,” says Abdulaziz Al-Swailem, vice president of scientific research support at King Abdulaziz City for Science and Technology (KACST).

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The Saudi Human Genome Project will sequence 100,000 human genomes to conduct biomedical research in the Saudi population.

Saudi Arabia's march to the top
Saudi Arabia's efforts to boost its scientific research have been paying off, with its output in the Nature Index (WFC) rising steadily over the years. The two graphs below highlight Saudi Arabia's rise compared to other nations, both overall and for chemistry.

Overall output
In 2012 Saudi Arabia's overall output in the index was below all the countries shown, but continuous efforts have seen the Kingdom's WFC rise to overtake them all in 2015.




Chemistry
More marked than its overall rise, Saudi Arabia has made great strides in chemistry. After accelerated growth, which saw the Kingdom's chemistry WFC triple since 2012, it has outshone many larger players in the field in 2015.




The Kingdom's science investments focus on applied research that feeds directly into the country's industrial interests, particularly the oil and energy sector. But even in its strong subjects, chemistry and the physical sciences, Saudi Arabia's WFC remains modest compared to big players in Asia like China, Japan and South Korea.


To truly swim comfortably with these bigger fish, Saudi Arabia may benefit from looking at successful emerging economies in Asia.

One inspiration could be India. In addition to multi-disciplinary scientific and technical advancements that have improved its output in the index from 736.5 to 901.4 in the past four years, the subcontinental giant has joined the exclusive club of countries that have launched successful space missions.

Like Saudi Arabia, India's leading research institutes focus on chemistry, and their total output currently outstrips their Saudi Arabian counterparts by almost a factor of seven (the latter surpassing 472 in 2015, while the former is 66.5).

India's prowess in chemistry is something that Saudi Arabia can aspire to, considering that working conditions for researchers in the Kingdom are more conducive.

India's science ecosystem is far from perfect. Research funding cannot keep up with inflation and a general slowdown in the country's economy. In addition, commentators from the research community say the funding processes are lengthy, bureaucratic, and provide little feedback when applications for grants are turned down. Meanwhile, Saudi Arabia's healthy stream of oil revenue provides assured funding for the country's state-of-the-art research facilities.

While India has slightly increased spending and dedicated US$1.19 billion for the next fiscal year (2016–2017) for science, it has around 700 universities and 200,000 full-time researchers drawing on the same funding pot. By contrast, Saudi Arabia has pledged an education and training budget of US$50.9 billion for next year, which includes higher education and scientific research. With a total population of just 30 million, it has a much lower number of full-time researchers competing for the available resources.

Another impressive trajectory that Saudi Arabia might look to emulate is that of Singapore, which has a smaller population as well and has managed to climb high in the index. Like the Kingdom, Singapore also has a focus on chemistry research, and it has put together a similar top-down national science strategy for research institutes across the country. Both countries have strong collaborations with top universities around the world and are welcoming of foreign researchers in their efforts to drive innovation.

Mansour Alghamdi, director of the general directorate of scientific awareness and publishing at KACST, is optimistic that Saudi Arabia can bridge the large gap that currently exists in the volume of scientific output between it and such countries as India and Singapore.

“The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia has a clear plan to do so and it has the resources,” he says.


Future growth
An internationally rising star

This graph shows KAUST's rise compared to a selection of other institutions*.
*Institutions shown are those that were furthest above KAUST in 2012, have experienced overall growth in WFC by 2015 and have been overtaken by KAUST in 2015. For clarity, only 2012 and 2015 data points are shown.

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In 2012, Saudi's ranking in research output, with a WFC of 52.8, meant it was comparable with countries like South Africa, Turkey and Iran, all hovering around the 60–70 mark. Its WFC stood way below countries like Mexico, Hungary, Chile, Greece and Argentina.

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Saudi Arabian researchers benefit from cutting-edge labs and generous funding that has boosted the country's R&D.

Four years later, the country's research outlook is very different and it is surpassing countries like Argentina, Mexico and Hungary in the index, and levelling the playing field with Chile. Chemistry research led the country's rapid rise to surpass these countries, but its life sciences and physical sciences WFCs of 8.5 and 31.5 still lag behind.

However, the Kingdom's AC has been steadily growing in these two fields over the past four years, hinting at the ever-increasing significance of international collaborations. It seems that Saudi Arabian researchers are casting their nets ever wider and are participating in publishing more articles, to the detriment of the WFC accredited for these articles.


Though international collaboration has proved fruitful, Saudi Arabia must keep a focus on nurturing home-grown talent, says Nasser Al-Aqeeli, dean of research at King Fahd University of Petroleum & Minerals (KFUPM), based in Dhahran's 'techno valley' in the eastern region of the Kingdom. In the next five years, he says, the country will focus on a programme for national capacity building.

A good first step was the Saudi government's decision to create a large scholarship programme in 2005, arguably the largest in the world, which has seen more than 200,000 young Saudi Arabians studying abroad. This makes Saudi Arabian students in the United States the fourth largest bloc of expatriate students, following those of China, India and South Korea. The government hopes these students will come back and drive a scientific culture in the country.
Saudi Arabia is also looking to increase its applied research focus, which is an integral part of the current phase of its national science strategy, while securing good funding for basic research as well. Al-Aqeeli says that Saudi's journey involves what he termed a “self-correcting mechanism” where the country is having a slow start in high-impact research, but a more sustainable one. An eventual future move towards basic research might help Saudi Arabia's research capacity to mature.

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v532/n7600_supp_ni/full/532S13a.html


And I can assure you that the Saudi Arabian Vision 2030 is realistic otherwise it would not have been pursued or created in the first place and concrete steps in its implementation already less than 1 year after its establishment, would not have been made.
 
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Antanov has been out of the job and in the cold ... They had been offering AN production to their allied countries.. Including Pak.. They offered is AN 225


https://defence.pk/threads/ukraine-...he-joint-production-of-antonov-an-225.421123/


But we didn't have the cash neither the requirements... So it never materialised..



The sad and bitter reality is that KSA doesn't have the industrial capability (no mil production industry) and neither experience nor the trained manpower to complete the so called vision 2030..

One should first learn to walk before running or whatever the proverb is...

Industries and institutions take decades to build and bear fruit...

The best option for KSA is first develop manpower and a small industrial base with help from its friendly states.. Produce weapons under transfer of technology (wherever and whenever possible)... Since UK,US,EU is getting uneasy with KSA .. It can perhaps approach countries like Pak,Turkey,China etc...

It's a shame that a oil rich country can't even produce mortars and arty shells in 2017...

As for the empty claim of mortars and artillery shells. That's inaccurate.

$240-million Al-Kharj (KSA) facility to produce top-class artillery
RIYADH: South African President Jacob Zuma, who was on a one-day state visit to Riyadh on Sunday, opened a projectiles factory along with Deputy Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman.
Both were taken on a tour by Mohamed Al-Mady, head of Saudi Military Industries Corporation. He briefed the visitors on the services and facilities at the new complex.
The complex features nine industrial buildings, each allocated to a specific productivity, such as processing, packaging, assembly and filling, destructive testing and nondestructive testing, heat and surface treatments.
The complex produces military projectiles ranging from shells of medium caliber such as mortar rounds (60mm, 81mm 120mm), artillery shells (105mm and 155mm) and heavy shells such as aircraft bombs weighing from 500 pounds to 2,000 pounds.

Al-Mady said the SR900 million Saudi Military Industries Corporation is a licensed company, which will be operating in alliance with South Africa-based Rheinmetall Denel Munition.
The facility is expected to produce 300 artillery shells or 600 mortar projectiles a day, Al-Mady said, adding that this plant would be managed by 130 engineers and operators.
South Africa-based RDM specializes in the development, design and manufacture of large- and medium-caliber ammunition families and is a world leader in the field of artillery, mortar and infantry systems as well as plant engineering.

South African defence company partners Saudi Arabian counterpart in new factory

South African defence company Rheinmetall Denel Munition (RDM) has helped set up a munitions manufacturing plant in Saudi Arabia in a venture with that country's Military Industries Corporation (MIC), the Saudi Press Agency has reported. According to MIC head Mohammad Almadhi, the establishment of the plant cost some $240-million and it was built under license from, and with the assistance of, RDM. The new factory was opened on March 27 by South African President Jacob Zuma and by Saudi Deputy Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman bin Abdulaziz. (Prince Mohammad is also his country's Second Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Defence and chairperson of the board of directors of the MIC). The facility is located at Al-Kharj, in central Saudi Arabia, south of the capital, Riyadh.

The plant will manufacture 60 mm, 81 mm and 120 mm mortar bombs, 105 mm and 155 mm artillery shells and aircraft bombs ranging from 226 kg (500 lb) to 907 kg (2000 lb). It is composed of nine industrial buildings, each with its own specific function, including heat treatment and surface treatment, assembly and filling, processing, packaging and destructive and nondestructive testing. According to Almadhi, the factory has a production capacity of 300 artillery shells or 600 mortar bombs a day. It will be staffed by 130 engineers and operators. He further noted that his company was now able to make many different defence products.

RDM is a joint venture between German defence group Rheinmetall Waffe Munition and South African State-owned defence industrial group Denel and was created in 2008. Rheinmetall holds 51% of RDM and Denel the remaining 49%. RDM describes itself on its website as a company that "specialises in the development, design and manufacture of large- and medium-calibre ammunition families and is a world leader in the field of artillery, mortar and infantry systems, as well as plant engineering". The Middle East is one of its target markets.

Zuma was in Saudi Arabia on March 27 and 28 on a State visit. The aim of the visit was to strengthen political and economic ties between the two countries, including increasing trade and investment.
Consequnetly, one of the members of his delegation was Trade and Industry Minister Dr Rob Davies.

The defence industry was one of the sectors that received special attention. Other sectors highlighted by the South African delegation included agricultural products, agroprocessed goods and services, manufacturing and mineral beneficiation. The involvement of South African companies in construction and engineering in infrastructure development in Saudi Arabia, under the Saudi National Transformation Plan, was also stressed.

"We are very pleased that this State visit will ensure, among other things, continued Saudi private-sector investment in our country's renewable-energy sector in support of the National Development Plan; the South African petrochemicals sector; banking and finance; and tourism infrastructure, as well as Saudi participation as a maritime State in our Operation Phakisa," affirmed Zuma. During his visit he also addressed a meeting of high-level South African and Saudi business leaders. He urged them to set up an entity to promote business-to-business cooperation between the two countries, with the aim of increasing Saudi investment in South Africa and South African exports to Saudi Arabia.

Source: Engineering News

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Very soon these "babies" below will be mass produced.

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KSA is moving forward slowly but steadily. The tempo of the developments will likely increase as the goal is to create a successful indigenous arms industry. By 2030, if not sooner, 50% of KSA's military purchases will be local. That is the declared official policy and concrete steps have already been taken towards fulfilling that goal.

http://www.defensenews.com/story/breaking-news/2016/04/25/united-arab-emirates/83497394/

Besides all NATO-type small arms used by Saudi Arabia are produced in Saudi Arabia alongside ammunition from 9mm up to 20mm cannon shells.

KSA is moving in the right direction and lately there have bene a lot of promising projects. The future is bright.

PDF is only showing a small part of those projects. For more details one need to visit some of the many Arab military forums available.

http://defense-arab.com/vb/

http://www.arabic-military.com

etc.
 
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As for the empty claim of mortars and artillery shells. That's inaccurate.

$240-million Al-Kharj (KSA) facility to produce top-class artillery
RIYADH: South African President Jacob Zuma, who was on a one-day state visit to Riyadh on Sunday, opened a projectiles factory along with Deputy Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman.
Both were taken on a tour by Mohamed Al-Mady, head of Saudi Military Industries Corporation. He briefed the visitors on the services and facilities at the new complex.
The complex features nine industrial buildings, each allocated to a specific productivity, such as processing, packaging, assembly and filling, destructive testing and nondestructive testing, heat and surface treatments.
The complex produces military projectiles ranging from shells of medium caliber such as mortar rounds (60mm, 81mm 120mm), artillery shells (105mm and 155mm) and heavy shells such as aircraft bombs weighing from 500 pounds to 2,000 pounds.

Al-Mady said the SR900 million Saudi Military Industries Corporation is a licensed company, which will be operating in alliance with South Africa-based Rheinmetall Denel Munition.
The facility is expected to produce 300 artillery shells or 600 mortar projectiles a day, Al-Mady said, adding that this plant would be managed by 130 engineers and operators.
South Africa-based RDM specializes in the development, design and manufacture of large- and medium-caliber ammunition families and is a world leader in the field of artillery, mortar and infantry systems as well as plant engineering.

South African defence company partners Saudi Arabian counterpart in new factory

South African defence company Rheinmetall Denel Munition (RDM) has helped set up a munitions manufacturing plant in Saudi Arabia in a venture with that country's Military Industries Corporation (MIC), the Saudi Press Agency has reported. According to MIC head Mohammad Almadhi, the establishment of the plant cost some $240-million and it was built under license from, and with the assistance of, RDM. The new factory was opened on March 27 by South African President Jacob Zuma and by Saudi Deputy Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman bin Abdulaziz. (Prince Mohammad is also his country's Second Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Defence and chairperson of the board of directors of the MIC). The facility is located at Al-Kharj, in central Saudi Arabia, south of the capital, Riyadh.

The plant will manufacture 60 mm, 81 mm and 120 mm mortar bombs, 105 mm and 155 mm artillery shells and aircraft bombs ranging from 226 kg (500 lb) to 907 kg (2000 lb). It is composed of nine industrial buildings, each with its own specific function, including heat treatment and surface treatment, assembly and filling, processing, packaging and destructive and nondestructive testing. According to Almadhi, the factory has a production capacity of 300 artillery shells or 600 mortar bombs a day. It will be staffed by 130 engineers and operators. He further noted that his company was now able to make many different defence products.

RDM is a joint venture between German defence group Rheinmetall Waffe Munition and South African State-owned defence industrial group Denel and was created in 2008. Rheinmetall holds 51% of RDM and Denel the remaining 49%. RDM describes itself on its website as a company that "specialises in the development, design and manufacture of large- and medium-calibre ammunition families and is a world leader in the field of artillery, mortar and infantry systems, as well as plant engineering". The Middle East is one of its target markets.

Zuma was in Saudi Arabia on March 27 and 28 on a State visit. The aim of the visit was to strengthen political and economic ties between the two countries, including increasing trade and investment.
Consequnetly, one of the members of his delegation was Trade and Industry Minister Dr Rob Davies.

The defence industry was one of the sectors that received special attention. Other sectors highlighted by the South African delegation included agricultural products, agroprocessed goods and services, manufacturing and mineral beneficiation. The involvement of South African companies in construction and engineering in infrastructure development in Saudi Arabia, under the Saudi National Transformation Plan, was also stressed.

"We are very pleased that this State visit will ensure, among other things, continued Saudi private-sector investment in our country's renewable-energy sector in support of the National Development Plan; the South African petrochemicals sector; banking and finance; and tourism infrastructure, as well as Saudi participation as a maritime State in our Operation Phakisa," affirmed Zuma. During his visit he also addressed a meeting of high-level South African and Saudi business leaders. He urged them to set up an entity to promote business-to-business cooperation between the two countries, with the aim of increasing Saudi investment in South Africa and South African exports to Saudi Arabia.

Source: Engineering News

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zX95Iyh.jpg


fBQ66BW.jpg



Very soon these "babies" below will be mass produced.

94jUcbQ.jpg



yqY1imi.jpg



KSA is moving forward slowly but steadily. The tempo of the developments will likely increase as the goal is to create a successful indigenous arms industry. By 2030, if not sooner, 50% of KSA's military purchases will be local. That is the declared official policy and concrete steps have already been taken towards fulfilling that goal.

http://www.defensenews.com/story/breaking-news/2016/04/25/united-arab-emirates/83497394/

Besides all NATO-type small arms used by Saudi Arabia are produced in Saudi Arabia alongside ammunition from 9mm up to 20mm cannon shells.

KSA is moving in the right direction and lately there have bene a lot of promising projects. The future is bright.

This is just a start.. Even countries like Myanmar produce mortars and arty shells and KSA with its massive wealth still has to ask for South African help.

Don't expect any changes to occur as long as those individual provide traffic. As long as that occurs everything is perfectly fine.

This issue and similar ones were already discussed among us Arabs ages ago and with the moderation team. As far as I am ware of nothing came out of it.



Well, sad to hear that but it is what it is. You have to make decisions at every step in your life and figure out what you want to spend your valuable time on.

From what I am ware of and have been told, at one point Arabs were one of the biggest communities after Indians here. People come and go. Some leave, new users arrive. Some figure out that there are greener pastures elsewhere and some are foolish enough to waste their time on the usual "events".

Do you know KSA is the largest importer of POF ammunition? Almost 100 million worth ammunition procured by KSA last year from POF.. Which is just one of our suppliers..

As I said even if you start today .. You will still have to wait decades for your industries to actually hear fruit...

If a poor country like Pak can develop its mil industries despite sanctions (for decades).. And poor financial situation... I wonder what stopped KSA?
 
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This is just a start.. Even countries like Myanmar produce mortars and arty shells and KSA with its massive wealth still has to ask for South African help.

You have to start somewhere when your leadership choose to neglect indigenous projects for decades and when your population is not the biggest in the world. Or when you could easily buy the best weapons that money can buy. Easier than building everything from the scratch. Pakistan also had to look for outside help initially on this front and all others expect for Western powers who created the technology.

KSA is moving forward slowly but steadily. The tempo of the developments will likely increase as the goal is to create a successful indigenous arms industry. By 2030, if not sooner, 50% of KSA's military purchases will be local. That is the declared official policy and concrete steps have already been taken towards fulfilling that goal. Even if that goal will not be reached and only 33,3% (for instance) will be accomplished it is still good news and eventually we will get there.

Lately there have been a lot of promising projects. The future is bright.

PDF is only showing a small part of those projects. For more details one needs to visit some of the many Arab military forums available.

http://defense-arab.com/vb/

http://www.arabic-military.com

etc.

I am not trying to convince you of anything but just stating some facts and what is going on and what the plans are. I already elaborated on that in detail in this thread by providing sources throughout the discussion.

I believe that we have a very bright future. One of the youngest populations percentage wise in the world, a growing population, one of the most educated and literate populations in the Muslim and developing world, some of the highest rated universities in the developing world, 100.000's of students abroad in the West and East at leading universities, increased and continuous investments in education, a lot of money to facilitate this process, plenty of mineral and natural resources, a lot of allies willing to help etc.

What is needed is political will, specialization, more JV's, more ToT, dedication, hard work and time. Anyone who says that it is impossible for KSA to advance is either 1) a troll 2) biased ) or 3) ignorant.
 
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As for the empty claim of mortars and artillery shells. That's inaccurate.

$240-million Al-Kharj (KSA) facility to produce top-class artillery
RIYADH: South African President Jacob Zuma, who was on a one-day state visit to Riyadh on Sunday, opened a projectiles factory along with Deputy Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman.
Both were taken on a tour by Mohamed Al-Mady, head of Saudi Military Industries Corporation. He briefed the visitors on the services and facilities at the new complex.
The complex features nine industrial buildings, each allocated to a specific productivity, such as processing, packaging, assembly and filling, destructive testing and nondestructive testing, heat and surface treatments.
The complex produces military projectiles ranging from shells of medium caliber such as mortar rounds (60mm, 81mm 120mm), artillery shells (105mm and 155mm) and heavy shells such as aircraft bombs weighing from 500 pounds to 2,000 pounds.

Al-Mady said the SR900 million Saudi Military Industries Corporation is a licensed company, which will be operating in alliance with South Africa-based Rheinmetall Denel Munition.
The facility is expected to produce 300 artillery shells or 600 mortar projectiles a day, Al-Mady said, adding that this plant would be managed by 130 engineers and operators.
South Africa-based RDM specializes in the development, design and manufacture of large- and medium-caliber ammunition families and is a world leader in the field of artillery, mortar and infantry systems as well as plant engineering.

South African defence company partners Saudi Arabian counterpart in new factory

South African defence company Rheinmetall Denel Munition (RDM) has helped set up a munitions manufacturing plant in Saudi Arabia in a venture with that country's Military Industries Corporation (MIC), the Saudi Press Agency has reported. According to MIC head Mohammad Almadhi, the establishment of the plant cost some $240-million and it was built under license from, and with the assistance of, RDM. The new factory was opened on March 27 by South African President Jacob Zuma and by Saudi Deputy Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman bin Abdulaziz. (Prince Mohammad is also his country's Second Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Defence and chairperson of the board of directors of the MIC). The facility is located at Al-Kharj, in central Saudi Arabia, south of the capital, Riyadh.

The plant will manufacture 60 mm, 81 mm and 120 mm mortar bombs, 105 mm and 155 mm artillery shells and aircraft bombs ranging from 226 kg (500 lb) to 907 kg (2000 lb). It is composed of nine industrial buildings, each with its own specific function, including heat treatment and surface treatment, assembly and filling, processing, packaging and destructive and nondestructive testing. According to Almadhi, the factory has a production capacity of 300 artillery shells or 600 mortar bombs a day. It will be staffed by 130 engineers and operators. He further noted that his company was now able to make many different defence products.

RDM is a joint venture between German defence group Rheinmetall Waffe Munition and South African State-owned defence industrial group Denel and was created in 2008. Rheinmetall holds 51% of RDM and Denel the remaining 49%. RDM describes itself on its website as a company that "specialises in the development, design and manufacture of large- and medium-calibre ammunition families and is a world leader in the field of artillery, mortar and infantry systems, as well as plant engineering". The Middle East is one of its target markets.

Zuma was in Saudi Arabia on March 27 and 28 on a State visit. The aim of the visit was to strengthen political and economic ties between the two countries, including increasing trade and investment.
Consequnetly, one of the members of his delegation was Trade and Industry Minister Dr Rob Davies.

The defence industry was one of the sectors that received special attention. Other sectors highlighted by the South African delegation included agricultural products, agroprocessed goods and services, manufacturing and mineral beneficiation. The involvement of South African companies in construction and engineering in infrastructure development in Saudi Arabia, under the Saudi National Transformation Plan, was also stressed.

"We are very pleased that this State visit will ensure, among other things, continued Saudi private-sector investment in our country's renewable-energy sector in support of the National Development Plan; the South African petrochemicals sector; banking and finance; and tourism infrastructure, as well as Saudi participation as a maritime State in our Operation Phakisa," affirmed Zuma. During his visit he also addressed a meeting of high-level South African and Saudi business leaders. He urged them to set up an entity to promote business-to-business cooperation between the two countries, with the aim of increasing Saudi investment in South Africa and South African exports to Saudi Arabia.

Source: Engineering News

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Very soon these "babies" below will be mass produced.

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KSA is moving forward slowly but steadily. The tempo of the developments will likely increase as the goal is to create a successful indigenous arms industry. By 2030, if not sooner, 50% of KSA's military purchases will be local. That is the declared official policy and concrete steps have already been taken towards fulfilling that goal.

http://www.defensenews.com/story/breaking-news/2016/04/25/united-arab-emirates/83497394/

Besides all NATO-type small arms used by Saudi Arabia are produced in Saudi Arabia alongside ammunition from 9mm up to 20mm cannon shells.

KSA is moving in the right direction and lately there have bene a lot of promising projects. The future is bright.

PDF is only showing a small part of those projects. For more details one need to visit some of the many Arab military forums available.

http://defense-arab.com/vb/

http://www.arabic-military.com

etc.

70936

you forget to mention paveway-2 laser guided bomb
source : www.inss.org.il/uploadImages/Saudia20160103.pdf
: www.inss.org.il/
 
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Actually possessing oil and money works both ways...it could be used for R&D infrastructure but it can take away the passion and drive to do original research when you can buy the best stuff available in the market. They can buy the best cars, mobiles, all the accessories and luxuries so why would they be bothered to stress their minds.. All the developed nations today e.g. China, USA, Japan, Sweden, UK, South Korea etc were not the richest countries before they developed rather they faced challenging atmospheres and thus were motivated to overcome those. Even Pakistan developed the systems only when embargoed and faced with existential threat.. KSAians are born with silver spoon but now they are feeling the heat, I wish they accept the challenge and be positive..

When You dont have enough silver and gold, You have to make do with what You have.

Here is a 10 Daler (dollar) coin (made from cupper) from 1644. Minted in Sweden and weighs 19,7 kilo.

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Guys thank you for the vote of confidence, but right now I'm at a point where the Arab and sunni bashing is making me seriously think if I should be on this forum. The absence of an Arab mod, despite numerous requests has fallen on deaf ears.

Just today an idiot tagged me and was provoking me.

There is no Arab bashing apart from the few persian users.
As for the recent posts regarding U.A.E. This is a Pakistani forum and anyone who marches with the enemy should expect some stick from us.
Same feelings were expressed towards Iran when that Indian monkey was caught.
Don't confuse our sentiments about Emirates due to its dubious actions, arrogant attitude and sucking up to Indians with the wider Arab world.
 
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