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CAN PAKISTAN FIND AN ALTERNATIVE TO AMERICA?

I got your post now. No, its not that. They are already investing in Pakistan and have been for decades. Hospitals, schools education technology, water sanitation, many construction projects, etc, etc and billions in the Pakistani stock market for the past a couple of years. But that's not the "investment" I was referring to.

I am talking about institutional investment backed by the US government. That's more strategic in nature, sort of commercial agreement on economy like the US committed to India. That would mean, Pakistani labor could come to the US for work and education, the US companies will get a tax break to go to Pakistan and buying Pakistani stuff. And due to which, many large companies will have tax incentives to go to Pakistan under some agreement like the US has NAFTA with the South American / North American countries. That would mean $ 100-200 billion investment easily and Pakistani products and services will also be preferred in the US to buy by large companies. Just one 5 year program or an agreement like this, would put Pakistan on a trajectory of insane growth (on top of what they are already experiencing). And their goals to achieve in next 10-15 years, can be achieved in the next 5 years (to be the top 15th economy, above Mexico). And from that point on, Pakistan can grow organically and get to the top 10th spot
well that is upto USA as much as i understand?
do enlighten me though
 
Must leave America and must join Marshain suppa power.
America is supporting all puppet corrupt politicians.
 
US cant even compete with Turkey, let alone China. As senator Mushahid once said "China-Pakistan relations are Strategic where as US-Pakistan relations are tactical". Strategic here refers to broader & significant whereas tactical.........Well kind of not important to describe :enjoy:.
 
Stop supporting terrorists and Stop imposing taxes on people of Pakistan and let them Rise. Then see the Miracle Pak will be more advance than Japan germany in less than two decades.
 
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Every U S company will make investment in pakistan---because it is the easiest place to do business for american business or any foreign business---100% ownership and mega tax credit.

Pakistan being "easiest place to do business" is not in dispute here. US companies no longer involved in low and mid level manufacturing, which where Pakistan can shine. Question is - US companies which are highly technology driven, high value and service oriented, what synergy US companies will find investing in Pakistan?
 
Well, when you understand the depth and the truthfulness of my post, you should come back. I am sure it would be three days after today (like the joke says :lol:)



You've mixed 5 issues in one paragraph. I don't have the time to divulge into each of these. But to make some critical points, you got to remember, don't interchange India with the US. Yes, India is all over Afghanistan. But that doesn't mean the US has a policy to destabilize Pakistan. In fact, that's ONE thing where US and Indian interests don't meet. Even when we apply sanctions, those are partial. The US government totally understands that it has to work with the Pakistanis in Trade and Economic capacity, that's for sure and you can see POTUS and many other official's statements on this. If we were so against Pakistan, don't you think the real sanctions could be applied that would've crippled Pakistan like it did to China? But that's never the case. A nuclear Pakistan with a growing economy and opportunity and peace for all, is in the US's best interests.



I am highly surprised at such a naive and silly question. I just felt like I am wasting my time because you may be ten years old and have no common sense about life yet. Your question clearly tells me how little you understand the world.

Let me give you one small examples. Google opens up a large office in Pakistan beyond what they already have and outsource some key components that they only share with partner countries like India. First, Google would have to spend close to half a billion to build a new world class campus for expansion of their operations in Pakistan. Second, local talent will be hired. A couple of thousands of Pakistani hi-tech engineers being employed means you elevated 2000 house holds, their living standard, buying power, etc, etc.

2000 people spending lets say 600 additional rupees a day on lunches, clothes, etc (I am being very conservative here) means 2000*600*24 (in a month, after holidays, there may be 24 days for estimation) = Rs. 28, 800,000!! This is Rs. 28 million per month that will be put into the local City's economy. Can you imagine how many Restaurants, Coffee Shops, Sweet Shops, Barber Shops, Clothing Shops, etc, etc will benefit? This isn't including their financial ability to buy nicer cars, bigger and nicer homes, etc, etc. This is just the daily groceries, eating and clothing if you will in one city. All the others including, it would be a Rs. 75-80 million or more worth of impact per month, specially if you count expensive real estate in Lahore, Islamabad and Karachi and ONLY by 2000 jobs!! Not to forget the taxes the government will be making on their nice salaries :enjoy::lol:

Let's now imagine Google, Microsoft, Oracle, Agilent, SAP, GE, etc, all come to Pakistan and even at a MUCH smaller number produce 2000 jobs each. That's 6 companies * 2000 jobs = 12,000 jobs. Now take the previous formula and apply again, this time, more people thought: 12000*600*24 (in a month, after holidays, there may be 24 days for estimation) = Rs. 172, 800,000 (That's 172 million plus a month) being spent on local economy where their office and homes are. Now add the real estate and other things, the net impact may be well over quarter billion rupees. Any idea how many Clothing shops, Food businesses, Hair Salons, Ice Cream Ships, Coffee Shops, Grocery, Electronic, and other businesses you can grow with this money? Not to mention these people will save up too and will get into other ventures so more businesses will be created. Again add the tax and the government will get richer and richer too.

I hope this made sense to you. I gave you a very basic example. Imagine now 10 companies doing serious investments worth $ 100 billion and creating a few million jobs. You have the formula above. Calculate the net impact. That's what the US companies can do for Pakistan, without breaking a SWEAT!!

Next, you have Bangla flags, why are you putting your nose into Pakistan's business? If you love it so much, you should've stayed with them. I'll let a Pakistani make a case. Not someone who is trying to create some negative sentiment about US and Pakistan. I am sure the Pakistanis always have, will and can handle their issues themselves :enjoy:.



Will you mind telling us a few Global companies names that actually opened up head offices inside Pakistan to do business in those "calm times" during Mushy's rule? That corrupt fool ONLY awarded US aid's money to his buddies in the military and contracts to send and bring NATO weapons to and from the Karachi port. Since his time, due to abuse of Pakistan's railway network and non-payment. PR was almost bankrupt and it declared profit for the first time last year.

Mushy had negative two million ability to bring anything called a "business" to Pakistan. No US company would invest under a Dictator. You live in the US and know the Blue Suits thing too (we've talked about it). The only thing Mushy did, was to use the free flow of dollars from the US, and put it into the transportation and real estate market and boomed it. Both were because of his general buddies. All Army housing schemes under him went high up. Now they are beyond the reach of a common Pakistani by a large margin. Speaks volumes to his abilities. Economies are designed for average people. Not for a few million people.

In the US, even a family making $ 60,000.00 can afford a home (albeit small one). There are price points every where. In Islamabad, during my last trip in Mushy's time, I was surprised to hear the amount of money it required to own a house. Average cost was close to a million dollars in decent areas and close to 400K in average areas. Imagine that. And these were less than 5000 sqft homes and land altogether. In a million in US, you could afford a mansion and an acre land may be a few minutes outside of the downtown of all major metropolitans!! That's a sign of growing economy.

Pakistanis do not spend 600 Rupees on lunch buddy not even the high paying people do that (well not all of them).
And you are missing the point, relying on the US money is the worst thing that can happen to any country (specially Muslim country) in the 1st century.
We have been threatened for the things that we have "paid" for, we paid money to buy F-16s and what we got in return was wheat and soya beam.
Now image what would happen to us if our economy largely relied on US money, no matter what "miracles" it promises to us, the same way it has promised to us in the last 70 years.
We have suffered a lot because of this US dependency and US money and we are aiming to get out of it.
And I hope our elites succeed in this.
 
frankly 300 million $ aid it had never reached to ordinary people of Pakistan so only those should worry who were receiving it and londering it and such amount is nothing it was just a symbolic gesture of american affection toward pakistan which has finally over .. and thank you very much for that
 
Pakistanis do not spend 600 Rupees on lunch buddy not even the high paying people do that (well not all of them).
And you are missing the point, relying on the US money is the worst thing that can happen to any country (specially Muslim country) in the 1st century.
We have been threatened for the things that we have "paid" for, we paid money to buy F-16s and what we got in return was wheat and soya beam.
Now image what would happen to us if our economy largely relied on US money, no matter what "miracles" it promises to us, the same way it has promised to us in the last 70 years.
We have suffered a lot because of this US dependency and US money and we are aiming to get out of it.
And I hope our elites succeed in this.

Your post isn't worth responding. Its written out of silly, anti-American sentiment without using common sense. You have no clue about my post, or its meaning and here you are, trying to still put some illogical b.s. into yet another post. This conversation has lost its value. For reference purposes, read my previous post. It'll tell you everything.

For the record, Google, Microsoft, etc, create very high paying jobs. And last time I had a Cup of coffee at a Coffee Planet (one of the regular Pakistani hangouts), was over 300 rupees. Add a Sandwich to it or something, you are above rupees. Not to mention gas for the vehicle, clothes, etc, etc. But again, when someone doesn't want to listen and understand, you can blow a Ship's horn in their ears but they will pretend like they didn't hear anything. That's you with respect to my previous post :rofl:
 
Your post isn't worth responding. Its written out of silly, anti-American sentiment without using common sense. You have no clue about my post, or its meaning and here you are, trying to still put some illogical b.s. into yet another post. This conversation has lost its value. For reference purposes, read my previous post. It'll tell you everything.

Got nothing to counter my post?

For the record, Google, Microsoft, etc, create very high paying jobs. And last time I had a Cup of coffee at a Coffee Planet (one of the regular Pakistani hangouts), was over 300 rupees. Add a Sandwich to it or something, you are above rupees. Not to mention gas for the vehicle, clothes, etc, etc. But again, when someone doesn't want to listen and understand, you can blow a Ship's horn in their ears but they will pretend like they didn't hear anything. That's you with respect to my previous post :rofl:

The place from where you ate is not the place from where average Pakistani eats, ever heard of "dhaba"?. I belong the industry which you are citing (software), I belong to the high paid category (six figures a month) and so do my friends. We do not automatically increase our lunch expenses as soon as our salary increases. 600 rs daily is WAY too expensive, do not pretend to know about the life style of the common people here if you do not live here.

Google/MS may pay higher but not as much as they pay the people back in USA, their salaries are still going to range from 15,000 PKR to 20,00,00 PKR a month. Which other companies already offer here.

So what I am saying is based on personal "real" knowledge and not a brain fart.

My anti-American sentiments are well grounded, we have already suffered a lot by trusting USA. Both in economy and human life. And I hope we do not walk in to the same trap again. You know about Liaqat Ali Khan? Pakistan's first prime minister? Yeah! he was the person who walked into American camp, he was the one who made the horrible mistake of trusting USA. You know who assassinated him? USA!. Why? Because USA wanted Iran to be in USA's camp, USA asked Liaqat Ali Khan to use his personal friendship to persuade Iran to join the USA camp. Liaqat Ali Khan denied and as a result, USA killed him.

This is the pathetic, real face of USA.

It would be a horrible thing to depend on USA in the 21st century that will force us to comply with whatever the f*ck USA wants us to do and we will be forced to do that.

You think USA cannot use our economic dependency on USA as a political tool? If so, you are mistaken.

Dont come up with fairy tales of promising miracles, we have heard those tales before, we have made that mistake and we have suffered because of it.

Anyways, I had no intention to turning our conversation into personal insults, but anyway.
 
I am highly surprised at such a naive and silly question. I just felt like I am wasting my time because you may be ten years old and have no common sense about life yet. Your question clearly tells me how little you understand the world.

Let me give you one small examples. Google opens up a large office in Pakistan beyond what they already have and outsource some key components that they only share with partner countries like India. First, Google would have to spend close to half a billion to build a new world class campus for expansion of their operations in Pakistan. Second, local talent will be hired. A couple of thousands of Pakistani hi-tech engineers being employed means you elevated 2000 house holds, their living standard, buying power, etc, etc.

So, why Google and company like it, had not made investment in Pakistan? They have done so at least half a dozen other countries including in india??? You have excuses but don't have any real answer that ties to business decision. Besides, what is the business, strategic or any other justification that Google will make investment in Pakistan?? Don't say cheap resource cost because dozen more other countries can offer same to Google for same or less cost than Pakistan.

Your type of thinking persists in business elites and in govt not only in Pakistan but also in place like Bangladesh. That is real impediment for development. Special acumen, environment and business and strategic justifications that Google and Google like companies look for do not exists and all these need changes in mentality. That change takes years if not decades.One other important factor is that Google and Google like companies form their business and investment policy overs ease in tandem with US foreign & security establishment. No US security establishment will give nod for investment in Pakistan, not unless Pakistan forego its nuclear status and surrender to US wish. There are large number of elites of different kind (as I mentioned in my earlier post) already working on that angle.

In the mean time best possible solution to ignite growth and employment is manufacturing, infrastructure and build domestic capabilities. That is where Chinese, Korean and Japanese and others comes into play. Once Pakistan developed, per capital income reached at mid level above $4-5K, western companies drive for profit making will trump political and security barrier that are in place today.
 
So, why Google and company like it, had not made investment in Pakistan? They have done so at least half a dozen other countries including in india??? You have excuses but don't have any real answer that ties to business decision. Besides, what is the business, strategic or any other justification that Google will make investment in Pakistan?? Don't say cheap resource cost because dozen more other countries can offer same to Google for same or less cost than Pakistan.

Your type of thinking persists in business elites and in govt not only in Pakistan but also in place like Bangladesh. That is real impediment for development. Special acumen, environment and business and strategic justifications that Google and Google like companies look for do not exists and all these need changes in mentality. That change takes years if not decades.One other important factor is that Google and Google like companies form their business and investment policy overs ease in tandem with US foreign & security establishment. No US security establishment will give nod for investment in Pakistan, not unless Pakistan forego its nuclear status and surrender to US wish. There are large number of elites of different kind (as I mentioned in my earlier post) already working on that angle.

In the mean time best possible solution to ignite growth and employment is manufacturing, infrastructure and build domestic capabilities. That is where Chinese, Korean and Japanese and others comes into play. Once Pakistan developed, per capital income reached at mid level above $4-5K, western companies drive for profit making will trump political and security barrier that are in place today.
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