CAN PAKISTAN FIND AN ALTERNATIVE TO AMERICA?

[shhh]

I take it my point may have fazed you big time.

Still not sure what you mean by that.

India isn't being cocky for a reason whereas India should be given its size as nation, its manpower, its defense budgets.
It is called studying your enemy, doing pro/con, figuring out its strength and weakness. Hence being cautious.

I am glad you are not General of Pakistan army.

Apparently they were not sure of it thats, why they made the stupid mistake o a service naval officer for terrorism. This is not called being cautious. It is called stupidity. They sent another one a few days ago, we caught that one too.

 

[Viper0011.]

US will not want to turn Pakistan into another South Korea as that would not serve US interests.

A Muslim country of 200 million that is on the whole anti-US/West, has nuclear weapons and multi-trillion dollar economy - how does this benefit US geopolitically?

That's where you don't understand the US.....Malayia, Turkey, KSA, all have decent military posture and growing economies (KSA till a few years ago was dictating the entire ME). But the US has dealt with them in friendly terms. KSA and Turkey, had both told the US that if Iran would acquire nukes, they would too. So that's why the US put the utmost pressure on Iran. But let's pretend the sanctions failed and Iran blasted a few test weapons, the US was already told about KSA and Turkey following suit and they've already publicly acknowledged it. Meaning, they would be ok with it as its KSA and Turkey's national security and soverignty at risk so your logic doesn't apply that the US can't see an Islamic country having nukes.

The real things is, the global powers, don't want anyone to have nukes beyond what's already been established. But just like they've tolerated India and Pakistan, they'd tolerate KSA or whoever else, if their sovereignty is at stake. The issue isn't that, the issue is responsibility. Let's see, which Muslim country is stable? Turkey just had a coup. KSA is dealing with Yemen and the rebels took out KSA's entire platoon of senior officers and a few generals not too long ago. Imagine if this airbase had nukes on it..... now take a look at Iran, Iraq, Libya....what do you see? A mess!!

So its not that the US hates the Muslims. Its that the Muslim countries aren't democratic and peaceful. Which also means lack of responsibility and the scare of losing nukes. A 1000 tanks one side, one nukes on the other side so imagine the global risk.

Now back to Pakistan, the US would actually work with Pakistan on economy and other fronts. Mark my words. That's one of the best ways to influence any country to help them grow their economy. You make money and they make profits. Everyone's happy. The weapons issue, its due to India. The US or any country for that matter (the French and the Russians did it before to Pakistan), would not lose a permanent client worth $ 30-40 billions over the next 5 years, over Pakistan, who may have total $ 8-12 billion to spend on Weapons over the next 5-8 years. That's just the reality. But if Pakistan was grown like it would be in 2025, and had a close to $ 2 trillion economy, I can assure you if can get anything on cash from the US (outside of the -22 and the JSF of-course).

So back to my stance. The Pakistani leadership should forget about military purchases from the US. Instead, focus on working with the US and getting help and investments on growing the Economy. Remember, like I said before, the US is that ONE country, who's 10 different global companies can combine put in $ 100 billion into Pakistani system and that would be a drop from the Ocean for them. But for Pakistan, a $ 100 billion investment can serve as a small ocean itself, when combined with the Chinese investments.

And I only mentioned 10 companies. If 50 or 100 would come to Pakistan......you'd go way above, like close to top 10th economy on the planet in the next 10 years. That is what Pakistan should be focused on. Buy military stuff from elsewhere and don't create bad blood between US and you. Get the economic support and investments.

Remember, India didn't buy US weapons till a few years ago. But they've been cooperating in economic prospects with the US and getting investments in hundreds of billions every year since 1995!!!! And after 15 years and trillions of dollars worth of American investments, NOW they've started to trust the Americans to buy weapons from them. This is a very serious point I am making so try to tell others you know who may be able to make a difference. The US and Pakistan need to stay in close economic relationships as India would want to create a rift so Pakistan won't get investments.

they are not allowed to invest ??????
i mean seriously??? asking seriously?

I got your post now. No, its not that. They are already investing in Pakistan and have been for decades. Hospitals, schools education technology, water sanitation, many construction projects, etc, etc and billions in the Pakistani stock market for the past a couple of years. But that's not the "investment" I was referring to.

I am talking about institutional investment backed by the US government. That's more strategic in nature, sort of commercial agreement on economy like the US committed to India. That would mean, Pakistani labor could come to the US for work and education, the US companies will get a tax break to go to Pakistan and buying Pakistani stuff. And due to which, many large companies will have tax incentives to go to Pakistan under some agreement like the US has NAFTA with the South American / North American countries. That would mean $ 100-200 billion investment easily and Pakistani products and services will also be preferred in the US to buy by large companies. Just one 5 year program or an agreement like this, would put Pakistan on a trajectory of insane growth (on top of what they are already experiencing). And their goals to achieve in next 10-15 years, can be achieved in the next 5 years (to be the top 15th economy, above Mexico). And from that point on, Pakistan can grow organically and get to the top 10th spot.

 

[shhh]

That's where you don't understand the US.....Malayia, Turkey, KSA, all have decent military posture and growing economies (KSA till a few years ago was dictating the entire ME). But the US has dealt with them in friendly terms. KSA and Turkey, had both told the US that if Iran would acquire nukes, they would too. So that's why the US put the utmost pressure on Iran. But let's pretend the sanctions failed and Iran blasted a few test weapons, the US was already told about KSA and Turkey following suit and they've already publicly acknowledged it. Meaning, they would be ok with it as its KSA and Turkey's national security and soverignty at risk so your logic doesn't apply that the US can't see an Islamic country having nukes.

The real things is, the global powers, don't want anyone to have nukes beyond what's already been established. But just like they've tolerated India and Pakistan, they'd tolerate KSA or whoever else, if their sovereignty is at stake. The issue isn't that, the issue is responsibility. Let's see, which Muslim country is stable? Turkey just had a coup. KSA is dealing with Yemen and the rebels took out KSA's entire platoon of senior officers and a few generals not too long ago. Imagine if this airbase had nukes on it..... now take a look at Iran, Iraq, Libya....what do you see? A mess!!

So its not that the US hates the Muslims. Its that the Muslim countries aren't democratic and peaceful. Which also means lack of responsibility and the scare of losing nukes. A 1000 tanks one side, one nukes on the other side so imagine the global risk.

Now back to Pakistan, the US would actually work with Pakistan on economy and other fronts. Mark my words. That's one of the best ways to influence any country to help them grow their economy. You make money and they make profits. Everyone's happy. The weapons issue, its due to India. The US or any country for that matter (the French and the Russians did it before to Pakistan), would not lose a permanent client worth $ 30-40 billions over the next 5 years, over Pakistan, who may have total $ 8-12 billion to spend on Weapons over the next 5-8 years. That's just the reality. But if Pakistan was grown like it would be in 2025, and had a close to $ 2 trillion economy, I can assure you if can get anything on cash from the US (outside of the -22 and the JSF of-course).

So back to my stance. The Pakistani leadership should forget about military purchases from the US. Instead, focus on working with the US and getting help and investments on growing the Economy. Remember, like I said before, the US is that ONE country, who's 10 different global companies can combine put in $ 100 billion into Pakistani system and that would be a drop from the Ocean for them. But for Pakistan, a $ 100 billion investment can serve as a small ocean itself, when combined with the Chinese investments.

And I only mentioned 10 companies. If 50 or 100 would come to Pakistan......you'd go way above, like close to top 10th economy on the planet in the next 10 years. That is what Pakistan should be focused on. Buy military stuff from elsewhere and don't create bad blood between US and you. Get the economic support and investments.

Remember, India didn't buy US weapons till a few years ago. But they've been cooperating in economic prospects with the US and getting investments in hundreds of billions every year since 1995!!!! And after 15 years and trillions of dollars worth of American investments, NOW they've started to trust the Americans to buy weapons from them. This is a very serious point I am making so try to tell others you know who may be able to make a difference. The US and Pakistan need to stay in close economic relationships as India would want to create a rift so Pakistan won't get investments.



I got your post now. No, its not that. They are already investing in Pakistan and have been for decades. Hospitals, schools education technology, water sanitation, many construction projects, etc, etc and billions in the Pakistani stock market for the past a couple of years. But that's not the "investment" I was referring to.

I am talking about institutional investment backed by the US government. That's more strategic in nature, sort of commercial agreement on economy like the US committed to India. That would mean, Pakistani labor could come to the US for work and education, the US companies will get a tax break to go to Pakistan and buying Pakistani stuff. And due to which, many large companies will have tax incentives to go to Pakistan under some agreement like the US has NAFTA with the South American / North American countries. That would mean $ 100-200 billion investment easily and Pakistani products and services will also be preferred in the US to buy by large companies. Just one 5 year program or an agreement like this, would put Pakistan on a trajectory of insane growth (on top of what they are already experiencing). And their goals to achieve in next 10-15 years, can be achieved in the next 5 years (to be the top 15th economy, above Mexico). And from that point on, Pakistan can grow organically and get to the top 10th spot.

Dude you are missing something.
Turkey coup is US backed.
Iraq is US adventure.
Libya was US backed.
Pakistan got in such a bad shape because of Afghanistan which was also US adventure.
No matter how good it sounds, I am not going to trust US and I hope the top brass does make the same mistake again, in the 21st century, their is nothing worst than being relying on US economically, we have made that mistake before.
Remember Salala? Raymond Davis? "you are with us or against us"?. They have humiliated us, remember the NSG waiver to India?
US will not want any anti-Israel Muslim country to come to power and we cant trust them.

 

[Viper0011.]

Dude you are missing something.
Turkey coup is US backed.
Iraq is US adventure.
Libya was US backed.
Pakistan got in such a bad shape because of Afghanistan which was also US adventure..

Out of the above, the last one is true. Pakistan is in a bad shape because of the US. Why? no effing generals going in front of the US leadership. I've said it many, many, many times but obviously no one on here and the generals don't get it. The US administration looks down on army uniforms. They follow democratically elected civilians and appreciate them. When you start sending your civilians with all authority, you'll see results.

Mushy in his time, could've have course corrected the PAF by buying 36-54 F-16's block 52 and many used ones. But he effed up the opportunity like he did with Rafale and previous guys did with Mirages in the 90's. So Pakistan is in a mess because of WOT because it didn't know what it wanted or needed done in response to the WOT. That was a great opportunity to change the entire Pakistan. All it would've took was Mushy's request for investments into an independent Pakistan and per assurance that he'd leave the seat and will hold elections.

But he was too busy moving $ 200 million of the coalition support funds to buy palaces in Turkey on the ocean, buy massive properties in the UK and the US!!!! Go figure!!

Tukey coup isn't US backed. Erdogan is making these claims to ignite the local population. Iraq, Libya and all, well, they were right in front of everyone. Not sure how much "progress" anyone of them were making to be honest. The US went to rescue your Arab brethren when they asked for it and paid for it. Period. You should be upset at the Kawaitees and the Saudis, not the US

 

[shhh]

Out of the above, the last one is true. Pakistan is in a bad shape because of the US. Why? no effing generals going in front of the US leadership. I've said it many, many, many times but obviously no one on here and the generals don't get it. The US administration looks down on army uniforms. They follow democratically elected civilians and appreciate them. When you start sending your civilians with all authority, you'll see results.

Mushy in his time, could've have course corrected the PAF by buying 36-54 F-16's block 52 and many used ones. But he effed up the opportunity like he did with Rafale and previous guys did with Mirages in the 90's. So Pakistan is in a mess because of WOT because it didn't know what it wanted or needed done in response to the WOT. That was a great opportunity to change the entire Pakistan. All it would've took was Mushy's request for investments into an independent Pakistan and per assurance that he'd leave the seat and will hold elections.

But he was too busy moving $ 200 million of the coalition support funds to buy palaces in Turkey on the ocean, buy massive properties in the UK and the US!!!! Go figure!!

Tukey coup isn't US backed. Erdogan is making these claims to ignite the local population. Iraq, Libya and all, well, they were right in front of everyone. Not sure how much "progress" anyone of them were making to be honest. The US went to rescue your Arab brethren when they asked for it and paid for it. Period. You should be upset at the Kawaitees and the Saudis, not the US

Turkey coup is US backed, denial would not make it untrue.
Pakistan got so much terrorists because of US adventure in Afghanistan.
Iraq was a "wmd" "lie", USA lied that Iraq has WMDs and attacked them.
Libya was toppled because of USA, they wanted a different currency there, off course usa could not let them be in power anymore, so they supported someone who would make a good slave.
They did the same thing in Egypt.
Mushi's decision was against the opinion of general public, we never wanted US forces to bomb/rape/kill innocent people in Afghanistan. That is the precise reasons that we unseat him.
There is a lot more reasons to not trust USA (as if above arent enough), read this: https://defence.pk/threads/pakistan-can-live-without-united-states-of-america.101279/

You didnt reply to the other stuff, Raymond Davis? Salala? "You are with us or against us"? and other stuff.
We have made enough stupid mistakes trusting USA, I hope we dont trust USA anymore, unless we want a suicide.

 

[The SC]

That's where you don't understand the US.....Malayia, Turkey, KSA, all have decent military posture and growing economies (KSA till a few years ago was dictating the entire ME). But the US has dealt with them in friendly terms. KSA and Turkey, had both told the US that if Iran would acquire nukes, they would too. So that's why the US put the utmost pressure on Iran. But let's pretend the sanctions failed and Iran blasted a few test weapons, the US was already told about KSA and Turkey following suit and they've already publicly acknowledged it. Meaning, they would be ok with it as its KSA and Turkey's national security and soverignty at risk so your logic doesn't apply that the US can't see an Islamic country having nukes.

The real things is, the global powers, don't want anyone to have nukes beyond what's already been established. But just like they've tolerated India and Pakistan, they'd tolerate KSA or whoever else, if their sovereignty is at stake. The issue isn't that, the issue is responsibility. Let's see, which Muslim country is stable? Turkey just had a coup. KSA is dealing with Yemen and the rebels took out KSA's entire platoon of senior officers and a few generals not too long ago. Imagine if this airbase had nukes on it..... now take a look at Iran, Iraq, Libya....what do you see? A mess!!

So its not that the US hates the Muslims. Its that the Muslim countries aren't democratic and peaceful. Which also means lack of responsibility and the scare of losing nukes. A 1000 tanks one side, one nukes on the other side so imagine the global risk.

Now back to Pakistan, the US would actually work with Pakistan on economy and other fronts. Mark my words. That's one of the best ways to influence any country to help them grow their economy. You make money and they make profits. Everyone's happy. The weapons issue, its due to India. The US or any country for that matter (the French and the Russians did it before to Pakistan), would not lose a permanent client worth $ 30-40 billions over the next 5 years, over Pakistan, who may have total $ 8-12 billion to spend on Weapons over the next 5-8 years. That's just the reality. But if Pakistan was grown like it would be in 2025, and had a close to $ 2 trillion economy, I can assure you if can get anything on cash from the US (outside of the -22 and the JSF of-course).

So back to my stance. The Pakistani leadership should forget about military purchases from the US. Instead, focus on working with the US and getting help and investments on growing the Economy. Remember, like I said before, the US is that ONE country, who's 10 different global companies can combine put in $ 100 billion into Pakistani system and that would be a drop from the Ocean for them. But for Pakistan, a $ 100 billion investment can serve as a small ocean itself, when combined with the Chinese investments.

And I only mentioned 10 companies. If 50 or 100 would come to Pakistan......you'd go way above, like close to top 10th economy on the planet in the next 10 years. That is what Pakistan should be focused on. Buy military stuff from elsewhere and don't create bad blood between US and you. Get the economic support and investments.

Remember, India didn't buy US weapons till a few years ago. But they've been cooperating in economic prospects with the US and getting investments in hundreds of billions every year since 1995!!!! And after 15 years and trillions of dollars worth of American investments, NOW they've started to trust the Americans to buy weapons from them. This is a very serious point I am making so try to tell others you know who may be able to make a difference. The US and Pakistan need to stay in close economic relationships as India would want to create a rift so Pakistan won't get investments.



I got your post now. No, its not that. They are already investing in Pakistan and have been for decades. Hospitals, schools education technology, water sanitation, many construction projects, etc, etc and billions in the Pakistani stock market for the past a couple of years. But that's not the "investment" I was referring to.

I am talking about institutional investment backed by the US government. That's more strategic in nature, sort of commercial agreement on economy like the US committed to India. That would mean, Pakistani labor could come to the US for work and education, the US companies will get a tax break to go to Pakistan and buying Pakistani stuff. And due to which, many large companies will have tax incentives to go to Pakistan under some agreement like the US has NAFTA with the South American / North American countries. That would mean $ 100-200 billion investment easily and Pakistani products and services will also be preferred in the US to buy by large companies. Just one 5 year program or an agreement like this, would put Pakistan on a trajectory of insane growth (on top of what they are already experiencing). And their goals to achieve in next 10-15 years, can be achieved in the next 5 years (to be the top 15th economy, above Mexico). And from that point on, Pakistan can grow organically and get to the top 10th spot.

This is all good , but why didn't the US invest when it was "very good friends" with Pakistan, or was it ever?
You know that one has to befriend Usrael first to get any investment from the US and EU, where most Muslim countries are not wiling or wanting this fake friendship because of the Palestinian issue.. you can go back in time and see that the investments in India started pouring in when it became close friends with Usrael, as you should know, The US is run by Zionists from the top..And it is a well known fact that they hate Muslims..as one can see clearly now the main battles of the planet are mainly going on in the Arab and Muslim world.. why? Westerners zionists and Indians will all put the blame on the Arabs and Muslims while the latters know who is/are stirring these troubles!

 

[MastanKhan]

Hello, Nice post and I agree with most of your analysis.

However I'm intrigued and interested in knowing more about the how China manage to steal JSF tech? since as per my knowledge they were not involved in it.

Hi,

The biggest source of leakage is from these books---these so called works of ' FICTION '---these novels that you on the book stores and now on e-books format.

The engineer / scientist at the other end is no fool---only needs a little hint to go in the right direction.

China is the largest buyers of these books and the biggest fear of stuff being leaked out thru these books gives the 'agency' stomach ulcers.

 

[war&peace]

Hi,

The biggest source of leakage is from these books---these so called works of ' FICTION '---these novels that you on the book stores and now on e-books format.

The engineer / scientist at the other end is no fool---only needs a little hint to go in the right direction.

China is the largest buyers of these books and the biggest fear of stuff being leaked out thru these books gives the 'agency' stomach ulcers.

Sorry Sir, I'm not able to understand your hints and metaphors about the books of "fiction". Which book of fiction has JSF-35 design?
But if you are referring to books of aerospace and aircraft design then it is okay but I don't think there is any particular book written on the design of JSF by any authority. Definitely being an aerospace engineer, when I see some A/C configuration, I can to some extent understand its characteristics...I know how different intakes work, how the curvature of the leading edge affects the flow etc However that is just an educated guess. I can better it by producing a true cad model and test in a CFD tool.
Further I can manufacture a scaled physical model and test it in the wind tunnel and extract important coefficients but I can't see what is inside the engine and avionics, and also exactly how each surface is working...A lot of subtle and imperceptible changes make whole lot of difference in the performance.
However this is by no means called stealing.
The stealing would be if I get my hands on the design manuals of JSF and copy the stuff directly from it.
I don't rule out the chances of Chinese getting to that level through any means but that's just a skepticism..not the evidence.

 

[idune]

That's where you don't understand the US.....Malayia, Turkey, KSA, all have decent military posture and growing economies (KSA till a few years ago was dictating the entire ME). But the US has dealt with them in friendly terms. KSA and Turkey, had both told the US that if Iran would acquire nukes, they would too. So that's why the US put the utmost pressure on Iran. But let's pretend the sanctions failed and Iran blasted a few test weapons, the US was already told about KSA and Turkey following suit and they've already publicly acknowledged it. Meaning, they would be ok with it as its KSA and Turkey's national security and soverignty at risk so your logic doesn't apply that the US can't see an Islamic country having nukes.

The real things is, the global powers, don't want anyone to have nukes beyond what's already been established. But just like they've tolerated India and Pakistan, they'd tolerate KSA or whoever else, if their sovereignty is at stake. The issue isn't that, the issue is responsibility. Let's see, which Muslim country is stable? Turkey just had a coup. KSA is dealing with Yemen and the rebels took out KSA's entire platoon of senior officers and a few generals not too long ago. Imagine if this airbase had nukes on it..... now take a look at Iran, Iraq, Libya....what do you see? A mess!!

So its not that the US hates the Muslims. Its that the Muslim countries aren't democratic and peaceful. Which also means lack of responsibility and the scare of losing nukes. A 1000 tanks one side, one nukes on the other side so imagine the global risk.

Such imaginary view of world affairs, not event worth commenting

Now back to Pakistan, the US would actually work with Pakistan on economy and other fronts. Mark my words.

Sure, elites serving US interest, like yourself, always asking to mark their word. Forget about investment effort, US is busy helping TTP to destabilize Pakistan and issuing threat to send drone and to send Pakistan to stone age. Even when comes to pay for logistical support US using , US govt and media fabricate dues as aid. Please spare us from typical US propaganda bully.

The Pakistani leadership should forget about military purchases from the US. Instead, focus on working with the US and getting help and investments on growing the Economy. Remember, like I said before, the US is that ONE country, who's 10 different global companies can combine put in $ 100 billion into Pakistani system and that would be a drop from the Ocean for them. But for Pakistan, a $ 100 billion investment can serve as a small ocean itself, when combined with the Chinese investments.

US companies could have trillions BUT how does that matter for Pakistan. Please enlighten us with specifics - which US company can potentially make or willing to make what investment in Pakistan?

 

[MastanKhan]

Sorry Sir, I'm not able to understand your hints and metaphors about the books of "fiction". Which book of fiction has JSF-35 design?
But if you are referring to books of aerospace and aircraft design then it is okay but I don't think there is any particular book written on the design of JSF by any authority. Definitely being an aerospace engineer, when I see some A/C configuration, I can to some extent understand its characteristics...I know how different intakes work, how the curvature of the leading edge affects the flow etc However that is just an educated guess. I can better it by producing a true cad model and test in a CFD tool.
Further I can manufacture a scaled physical model and test it in the wind tunnel and extract important coefficients but I can't see what is inside the engine and avionics, and also exactly how each surface is working...A lot of subtle and imperceptible changes make whole lot of difference in the performance.
However this is by no means called stealing.
The stealing would be if I get my hands on the design manuals of JSF and copy the stuff directly from it.
I don't rule out the chances of Chinese getting to that level through any means but that's just a skepticism..not the evidence.

Hi,

If you start reading Dale Brown---start from his earliest works from the 80's---you will get the answer.

And there are many many other writers like him. Not that I am saying that he has done so---but many a truths have been revealed in many a books by many a writers---and that only reader knows the truth who is looking for it.

Such imaginary view of world affairs, not event worth commenting



Sure, elites serving US interest, like yourself, always asking to mark their word. Forget about investment effort, US is busy helping TTP to destabilize Pakistan and issuing threat to send drone and to send Pakistan to stone age. Even when comes to pay for logistical support US using , US govt and media fabricate dues as aid. Please spare us from typical US propaganda bully.



US companies could have trillions BUT how does that matter for Pakistan. Please enlighten us with specifics - which US company can potentially make or willing to make what investment in Pakistan?

Hi,

Every U S company will make investment in pakistan---because it is the easiest place to do business for american business or any foreign business---100% ownership and mega tax credit.

That was the reason there was a lots of investment during the earlier term of Gen Musharraf when there was relative calm in the country.

 

[Viper0011.]

Such imaginary view of world affairs, not event worth commenting

Well, when you understand the depth and the truthfulness of my post, you should come back. I am sure it would be three days after today (like the joke says )

Sure, elites serving US interest, like yourself, always asking to mark their word. Forget about investment effort, US is busy helping TTP to destabilize Pakistan and issuing threat to send drone and to send Pakistan to stone age. Even when comes to pay for logistical support US using , US govt and media fabricate dues as aid. Please spare us from typical US propaganda bully.

You've mixed 5 issues in one paragraph. I don't have the time to divulge into each of these. But to make some critical points, you got to remember, don't interchange India with the US. Yes, India is all over Afghanistan. But that doesn't mean the US has a policy to destabilize Pakistan. In fact, that's ONE thing where US and Indian interests don't meet. Even when we apply sanctions, those are partial. The US government totally understands that it has to work with the Pakistanis in Trade and Economic capacity, that's for sure and you can see POTUS and many other official's statements on this. If we were so against Pakistan, don't you think the real sanctions could be applied that would've crippled Pakistan like it did to China? But that's never the case. A nuclear Pakistan with a growing economy and opportunity and peace for all, is in the US's best interests.

US companies could have trillions BUT how does that matter for Pakistan. Please enlighten us with specifics - which US company can potentially make or willing to make what investment in Pakistan?

I am highly surprised at such a naive and silly question. I just felt like I am wasting my time because you may be ten years old and have no common sense about life yet. Your question clearly tells me how little you understand the world.

Let me give you one small examples. Google opens up a large office in Pakistan beyond what they already have and outsource some key components that they only share with partner countries like India. First, Google would have to spend close to half a billion to build a new world class campus for expansion of their operations in Pakistan. Second, local talent will be hired. A couple of thousands of Pakistani hi-tech engineers being employed means you elevated 2000 house holds, their living standard, buying power, etc, etc.

2000 people spending lets say 600 additional rupees a day on lunches, clothes, etc (I am being very conservative here) means 2000*600*24 (in a month, after holidays, there may be 24 days for estimation) = Rs. 28, 800,000!! This is Rs. 28 million per month that will be put into the local City's economy. Can you imagine how many Restaurants, Coffee Shops, Sweet Shops, Barber Shops, Clothing Shops, etc, etc will benefit? This isn't including their financial ability to buy nicer cars, bigger and nicer homes, etc, etc. This is just the daily groceries, eating and clothing if you will in one city. All the others including, it would be a Rs. 75-80 million or more worth of impact per month, specially if you count expensive real estate in Lahore, Islamabad and Karachi and ONLY by 2000 jobs!! Not to forget the taxes the government will be making on their nice salaries

Let's now imagine Google, Microsoft, Oracle, Agilent, SAP, GE, etc, all come to Pakistan and even at a MUCH smaller number produce 2000 jobs each. That's 6 companies * 2000 jobs = 12,000 jobs. Now take the previous formula and apply again, this time, more people thought: 12000*600*24 (in a month, after holidays, there may be 24 days for estimation) = Rs. 172, 800,000 (That's 172 million plus a month) being spent on local economy where their office and homes are. Now add the real estate and other things, the net impact may be well over quarter billion rupees. Any idea how many Clothing shops, Food businesses, Hair Salons, Ice Cream Ships, Coffee Shops, Grocery, Electronic, and other businesses you can grow with this money? Not to mention these people will save up too and will get into other ventures so more businesses will be created. Again add the tax and the government will get richer and richer too.

I hope this made sense to you. I gave you a very basic example. Imagine now 10 companies doing serious investments worth $ 100 billion and creating a few million jobs. You have the formula above. Calculate the net impact. That's what the US companies can do for Pakistan, without breaking a SWEAT!!

Next, you have Bangla flags, why are you putting your nose into Pakistan's business? If you love it so much, you should've stayed with them. I'll let a Pakistani make a case. Not someone who is trying to create some negative sentiment about US and Pakistan. I am sure the Pakistanis always have, will and can handle their issues themselves .

Every U S company will make investment in pakistan---because it is the easiest place to do business for american business or any foreign business---100% ownership and mega tax credit.

That was the reason there was a lots of investment during the earlier term of Gen Musharraf when there was relative calm in the country.

Will you mind telling us a few Global companies names that actually opened up head offices inside Pakistan to do business in those "calm times" during Mushy's rule? That corrupt fool ONLY awarded US aid's money to his buddies in the military and contracts to send and bring NATO weapons to and from the Karachi port. Since his time, due to abuse of Pakistan's railway network and non-payment. PR was almost bankrupt and it declared profit for the first time last year.

Mushy had negative two million ability to bring anything called a "business" to Pakistan. No US company would invest under a Dictator. You live in the US and know the Blue Suits thing too (we've talked about it). The only thing Mushy did, was to use the free flow of dollars from the US, and put it into the transportation and real estate market and boomed it. Both were because of his general buddies. All Army housing schemes under him went high up. Now they are beyond the reach of a common Pakistani by a large margin. Speaks volumes to his abilities. Economies are designed for average people. Not for a few million people.

In the US, even a family making $ 60,000.00 can afford a home (albeit small one). There are price points every where. In Islamabad, during my last trip in Mushy's time, I was surprised to hear the amount of money it required to own a house. Average cost was close to a million dollars in decent areas and close to 400K in average areas. Imagine that. And these were less than 5000 sqft homes and land altogether. In a million in US, you could afford a mansion and an acre land may be a few minutes outside of the downtown of all major metropolitans!! That's a sign of growing economy.

 

[Sheikh Rauf]

Uncle same is playing smartly here .. he knows Pak cant afford f 16 and their love with it .. India would do anything keep their love away so Uncle same offers india to make it in india which india will grab this opportunity without thinking where US actually stopped india to built their indigenious aircraft and replacing themselves with Russia i bet they have other plans for Pak..
other wise why india will buy blindly when Pak is not a threat. it seems like it and assume Pak economy is going to be better in next 10 years... which will be a huge threat.. cleaning terrorism from Pak is part of it.

 

[bafxet]

Pak-US, interests are divergent therefore, I don't think that we can go along well with each other at least for the time being. But being a sole super power we must try to keep the relationship as good as we possibly can.

 

[jermankill]

Because Pakistan is the greatest military power of the Islamic world.



Pakistan has not only the skill to create an Islamic army to be bring down the superpowers of the world but also has the capability to defeat terrorism.

strange to me + comments from an Indian for Pakistan ?? are u really Indian ?

 

[barbarosa]

I would like to say with pain that USA always look at Pakistan as a Muslim country nor as a friend country,We will always try to become both countries as a friends.