Can Japan show the West how to live peacefully with Islam?

[Pangu]

People tend to be more peaceful in life when they have other priorities in life than religion,not just islam for that matter any religion.

Religion has its place thats ones private life,the problems start when religion starts taking public life.

I totally agree with you. Institutionalized religion requires an adherence to dogmas, where leaders can lead or manipulate followers for what whatever agenda that suits them, and when state actors get involved, to the point of establishing a state religion, the power to mobilize the masses to it's course is enormous.

 

[Abotani]

I would like to infer the Maslowian Heirarchy of Needs:
The most basic is the physiological needs, then if that is met, there is the safety need, then the love/belong need, the esteem need, and the self-actualization need. Human beings base satisfaction if these needs are satisfied and supplemented. If a society can provide the basic support systems, then allow the possibility or chance to be 'accepted', then that person will never feel alienated. I would like to take into consideration one aspect in human resources managment which is employee appraisal managment systems, which looks at the employee's overall strengths and provisions. An employee's ability to perform juxtapoxed to employment specifications is influenced by support system within an organization, communication processes, as well as remuneration processes. Now, we can apply this in a population. If individual belongs to a minority group, but if his or her physiological, safety, love/belonging, esteem and self actualization needs are met, he or she will be satisfied. There will be no catalyst to radicalize. The problem with some western societies is that some of their minorities do not have their basic needs met, and of course, that coupled with financial and racial and religious discrimination, people living in abject poverty will eventually voice out protestations , ableit it may even be violent.
In regards to Japan, our society provides the foundations and resources that allows minorities such as muslims to not only feel welcomed in society, but are given preferential status as per policy that takes into consideration minority rights.
Best,
Yours Truly

Kind of fails when the countries are muslim and still so radicalised.

 

[Aepsilons]

I totally agree with you. Institutionalized religion requires an adherence to dogmas, where leaders can lead or manipulate followers for what whatever agenda that suits them, and when state actors get involved, to the point of establishing a state religion, the power to mobilize the masses to it's course is enormous.

@xudeen ,

In its basic form, all religions whether they be Mahayana Buddhism, Thervada Buddhism, Sikhism, Islam, Roman Catholicism, Orthodoxy, Protestantism, Conservative Judaism, Reformed Judaism, and even Hinduism has a dogma. The definiton of dogma is is a principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true. It serves as part of the primary basis of an ideology or belief system, and it cannot be changed or discarded without affecting the very system's paradigm, or the ideology itself.

In Hinduism , the different schools of Hinduism also inclines to different but established dogma through Six Darshanas or "ways of seeing. An entity is born, dies and reincarnates until he or she acquires Moksha (enlightenment, and oneness with the Divine). All religious branches , in its own way has its own dogma. I mean, even Confucianism itself , a philosophical system that defines most classic East Asian civilizations is centralized on established dogmas: Jen, Li, Yi, Hsiao, Chih, Chun tzu, and Te. Even in Japan, Bushido, which defines a way of life for classical Japanese society, as based on dogma.

Kind of fails when the countries are muslim and still so radicalised.

Your myopic viewpoint leads you to assume that being a Muslim , one will inevitably become radicalized. I conjecture the antithesis.

 

[chhota bheem]

I would like to infer the Maslowian Heirarchy of Needs:

The most basic is the physiological needs, then if that is met, there is the safety need, then the love/belong need, the esteem need, and the self-actualization need. Human beings base satisfaction if these needs are satisfied and supplemented. If a society can provide the basic support systems, then allow the possibility or chance to be 'accepted', then that person will never feel alienated. I would like to take into consideration one aspect in human resources managment which is employee appraisal managment systems, which looks at the employee's overall strengths and provisions. An employee's ability to perform juxtapoxed to employment specifications is influenced by support system within an organization, communication processes, as well as remuneration processes. Now, we can apply this in a population. If individual belongs to a minority group, but if his or her physiological, safety, love/belonging, esteem and self actualization needs are met, he or she will be satisfied. There will be no catalyst to radicalize. The problem with some western societies is that some of their minorities do not have their basic needs met, and of course, that coupled with financial and racial and religious discrimination, people living in abject poverty will eventually voice out protestations , ableit it may even be violent.

In regards to Japan, our society provides the foundations and resources that allows minorities such as muslims to not only feel welcomed in society, but are given preferential status as per policy that takes into consideration minority rights.



Best,
Yours Truly

I will reply in detail after some time,in the mean time find out about OBL and see if the Maslowian Heirarchy of Needs: failed or not,the reason you cannot apply anything else to religion is ,as its called belief. You just belive never question it.

99% of people who follow religion do so because they are born into it,i follow a certain religion because my parents follow it.
But to be even a carpenter you need skill training and dedication that dsnt come by birth.

 

[Abotani]

Your myopic viewpoint leads you to assume that being a Muslim , one will inevitably become radicalized. I conjecture the antithesis

Please keep off personal remarks when running out of points.Now,Will your highness be kind enough to broaden my horizons by explaining why the muslim population in rich muslim countries like Saudi Arabia are so radicalised?Why they treat their minority migrants like sub-human creatures?Why the migrants don't resort to violence or radicalisation ?

 

[Aepsilons]

I will reply in detail after some time,in the mean time find out about OBL and see if the Maslowian Heirarchy of Needs: failed or not,the reason you cannot apply anything else to religion is ,as its called belief. You just belive never question it.

99% of people who follow religion do so because they are born into it,i follow a certain religion because my parents follow it.
But to be even a carpenter you need skill training and dedication that dsnt come by birth.

I do look forward to your analysis, findings et al.

 

[chhota bheem]

I do look forward to your analysis, findings et al.

There is nothing much,all i want to say is and just point out that your thinking poverty breeds extremism is not correct.

 

[LeveragedBuyout]

So, by your logic, the shear fact that we have over 100,000 Muslims in Japan doesn't meant jack squat because the west has more, has more negative experiences and this their point of view trumps the objective analysis of the Japanese. Sorry my friend , but I cannot think in such simplistic terms. The case basis for the west doesn't necessarily mean it is applicable to every other host nation. We have had Muslims in Japan for over 40 years, none of them isolate themselves in ghettos , but integrate with the overall general society. Perhaps the west can draw more clues to the success Japan has had in the way we treat Muslim minorities, or our immigration criterium.


Regards.

No, as I have said repeatedly, you cannot draw conclusions when Muslims comprise less than 1/1,000 of your population. If you think otherwise, I can only wish you good luck.

 

[Aepsilons]

Please keep off personal remarks when running out of points.Now,Will your highness be kind enough to broaden my horizons by explaining why the muslim population in rich muslim countries like Saudi Arabia are so radicalised?Why they treat their minority migrants like sub-human creatures?Why the migrants don't resort to violence or radicalisation ?

For one, there were no personal remarks on my part, my retort to you was based on your erroneous assumption that a muslim-majority nation will become radicalized. I find fault in that assumption because there are many countries with a muslim-majority that takes an enlightened and democratic approach to its minorities per se Indonesia, Malaysia. In regards to Saudi Arabia, the problem is not the people, the problem is the government that rules the country with pure absolutism. The country may be "rich", but it is not a democracy. Now let us compare Indonesia with Saudi Arabia; the former is a democracy that affords civil rights for its ethnic and religious minorities that the latter may not allow.

@al-Hasani , @Arabian Knight , @Arabian Legend , @Hazzy997 , can you guys give input? Thanks.


Shukran sadeeq!

 

[TejasMk3]

Come now, one example of vandalism doesn't equate to terrorism. One Saudi graduate student does not represent the some 180,000 muslims in Japan. Let's be objective , shall we? He didn't bomb anyone or kill anyone. He has been apprehended and will subsequently pay for his crimes.

Done.

I'll just this. This radicalization happens slowly. You will need stringent control of immigration, and prevent like that person from coming in.

It is not connected to poverty or low education. (I think some people have posted links regarding this already) Even if a society is super accepting of them, there will be a certain section once it is large enough will start talking how their society is unfair to them, not matter how much you try to be inclusive.

Also if you think it doesnt change with regards to population numbers. why arent any middle eastern countries accepting of others? Even the super rich countries in the middle east are similar to ones on the lower end wrt these policies.

 

[Aepsilons]

There is nothing much,all i want to say is and just point out that your thinking poverty breeds extremism is not correct.

Why is it not correct? Have you seen the abject poverty peoples in Palestine are placed in? Radicalization is an effect. Please provide me a refute and citation to support your claim.

 

[Falcon29]

For one, there were no personal remarks on my part, my retort to you was based on your erroneous assumption that a muslim-majority nation will become radicalized. I find fault in that assumption because there are many countries with a muslim-majority that takes an enlightened and democratic approach to its minorities per se Indonesia, Malaysia. In regards to Saudi Arabia, the problem is not the people, the problem is the government that rules the country with pure absolutism. The country may be "rich", but it is not a democracy. Now let us compare Indonesia with Saudi Arabia; the former is a democracy that affords civil rights for its ethnic and religious minorities that the latter may not allow.

@al-Hasani , @Arabian Knight , @Arabian Legend , @Hazzy997 , can you guys give input? Thanks.


Shukran sadeeq!

Some people think Saudi Arabians are very conservative due to the government policy which you described well. In reality, the people are moderate and even liberal in many cases.

If you want conservative people by culture you find that in Iraq/Syria/Palestine/Libya for the most part. Gulf nations aren't conservative. Saudi Arabia comes after those nations I mentioned. If you go there you will notice only the laws are conservative but the people aren't.

The government there is using a wrong approach in trying to maintain a religious way of life.

 

[Abotani]

For one, there were no personal remarks on my part, my retort to you was based on your erroneous assumption that a muslim-majority nation will become radicalized. I find fault in that assumption because there are many countries with a muslim-majority that takes an enlightened and democratic approach to its minorities per se Indonesia, Malaysia. In regards to Saudi Arabia, the problem is not the people, the problem is the government that rules the country with pure absolutism. The country may be "rich", but it is not a democracy. Now let us compare Indonesia with Saudi Arabia; the former is a democracy that affords civil rights for its ethnic and religious minorities that the latter may not allow.

@al-Hasani , @Arabian Knight , @Arabian Legend , @Hazzy997 , can you guys give input? Thanks.


Shukran sadeeq!

Hmm..and how is their form of government responsible for the racism,violence and radicalisation in them?So you are saying the Saudi royal family is to blame for the various inhuman acts committed by common saudi citizens(or rather subjects).Hmm..Malaysia..maybe you should google Bhumiputra policy instead of tourism ads.To the wise,a sign is enough.
As far as personal remarks are concerned,no one can help someone following ostrich policy.

 

[Falcon29]

Why is it not correct? Have you seen the abject poverty peoples in Palestine are placed in? Radicalization is an effect. Please provide me a refute and citation to support your claim.

You're correct, Palestinians used to be secular and largely still are in the West Bank. Many people in Gaza lead a secular lifestyle but mentality remains conservative for the most part.

Although I don't like to call it radicalization.

 

[jaunty]

There are around 185,000 Muslims living in Japan.
Stop getting your information from stupid, anti-Muslim bigoted hate sites...
185,000 number comes from PEW forum global population statistics on Muslims published in 2011.

My information is from US State department's website. Japan

Can you give a link to that PEW stats?