Can India & Pakistan come out of the spiral of mutual destruction ?

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Why are you so obsessed with other peoples mothers? Mommy issues or something?

Same reason why you are obsessed with Pakistani forums.........

 

[Joe Shearer]

Education is not the cure for extreme nationalism and religiosity that India is plagued with. Plenty of internet extremists in India are well educated.

I see that the media propaganda that India is great and grass root level ideological training that religious scriptures are real history is the main reason. For what it is worth, India is not the only country with such problems today.

I have a fairly evolved analysis of this. Perhaps on a different thread.

Why are you so obsessed with other peoples mothers? Mommy issues or something?

Look up Oedipal.

 

[jk007]

The issue is fundamental. India believes that the entire basis for the formation of pakistan, the idea that muslims can not live together with other religions, is a flawed idea. For pakistan, giving up on this is not a choice - Doing so would mean balkanisation of the country. For India, accepting the flawed idea is not possible - Its own experience and the existence of India as an undivided nation shows that Muslims can, and have lived with other religions. Other issues like pakistani terror, Kashmir, the difference in structure of Indian and pakistani administration etc only aggravate the issue.

Pakistan as a political entity and independent nation is a reality.....all Indians accept it. No one wants Pak back into India.

For Indians, the idea of 2 nation theory is hard to accept.......the reason being - If India accepts then doesn't it mean the 2nd partition is inevitable with 22% or so muslims??

 

[Joe Shearer]

Same reason why you are obsessed with Pakistani forums.........

Let's check who has what rating from the members, shall we?

 

[MultaniGuy]

Pakistan as a political entity and independent nation is a reality.....all Indians accept it. No one wants Pak back into India.

For Indians, the idea of 2 nation theory is hard to accept.......the reason being - If India accepts then doesn't it mean the 2nd partition is inevitable with 22% or so muslims??

I thought Indians keep boasting that Muslims only make 15% of India's population.

 

[Joe Shearer]

yes, india's rectal violation induced screams were so loud that we could tell from 6000 miles away that she is having a very "difficult time"!

LOL.

Did you have time to listen for these things, in the middle of your, um, 'excavations'?

 

[MultaniGuy]

Pakistan as a political entity and independent nation is a reality.....all Indians accept it. No one wants Pak back into India.

For Indians, the idea of 2 nation theory is hard to accept.......the reason being - If India accepts then doesn't it mean the 2nd partition is inevitable with 22% or so muslims??

Yes Pakistan cannot be undone. A Muslim country with nuclear weapons. Even the West has accepted this.

 

[Joe Shearer]

For Indians, the idea of 2 nation theory is hard to accept.......the reason being - If India accepts then doesn't it mean the 2nd partition is inevitable with 22% or so muslims??

Not at all.

Just because your neighbour jumps into a well, is it obligatory for you to rush around finding a well of your own?

 

[MultaniGuy]

Pakistan as a political entity and independent nation is a reality.....all Indians accept it. No one wants Pak back into India.

For Indians, the idea of 2 nation theory is hard to accept.......the reason being - If India accepts then doesn't it mean the 2nd partition is inevitable with 22% or so muslims??

The feelings are mutual. As a Pakistani I don't care about India nor do I see any cultural linkages with India.

When we Pakistanis declared independence from UK it was a done deal.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Let's check who has what rating from the members, shall we?

You can always leave and go to an indian/sanghi forum. This IS a Pakistani forum after all. No one is forcing you to be here. You can leave anytime you want and never come back............

Not at all.

Just because your neighbour jumps into a well, is it obligatory for you to rush around finding a well of your own?

Did your mum jump in to a well?...........

 

[Joe Shearer]

You can always leave and go to an indian/sanghi forum. This IS a Pakistani forum after all. No one is forcing you to be here. You can leave anytime you want and never come back............

I can. It seems, funnily enough, as if I am more wanted than you.

 

[jk007]

Honestly I could see a peaceful settlement between the two it is not that difficult and contrary to many the issues is not entirely AK or JK as both sides claim the other has seized land from them but that is not the issue really.

1. If folks like Rahul or other secular elements came to power in India I could see a long peace here in the subcontinent and the only issues is basically RSS-BJP element whos viewed as terrorist element in Pakistan. India seriously use to have alot of sympathiers in Pakistan just 10-15 years ago and India had somewhat of a soft-image but not anywhere since BJP because the less educated has taken power where the Indian intellectuals have been pushed out by people like Yogi? Who is a freaking Priest slush Monk not a statesman at all or politician just a random peasant and now some are saying he will take power and I mean really..

2. The sole reason is RSS period because Pakistan deems this element to be extremist of nature and could prompt from Pakistan a powerful action if the RSS elements get out of hand hence we are at a collision course with the RSS and Pakistan will without a doubt take action against them if an escalation emerges because they are irrational local village type guys who came to power all of sudden and they managed to push out the intellectuals hence they are a wildcard and not properly educated.

3. If folks like Rahul or other normal Indian secularists come to power then I could seriously see Pakistan-India relations going at the right direction hence the loss of BJP is all it takes for good relation and to enter a strong relations stage where even trade flow is highly likely

Your understanding is seriously wrong.

As a pakistani, I am sure you want Rahul as Indian PM. Had it be been 1960s to 1980s, he would have become PM as well.
But thanks to 24 hours news channels, the comedy he does is beamed immediately to people, and he looses election after election, but he still stays there.

Many times, I think, if he indeed becomes PM of India, then what will Xi Jinping / Putin / Trump / Boris Johnson / Imran Khan think of us Indians?? Read about Barack Obama's assessement of him.

Politics is not easy in India (it may look easy). It takes a lot of character to sit in those high positions.

My opinion - Indian politics are toughest in the entire world.

Reminds me of what Tony Blair wrote in his book. But that is for another day.

Yes I agree.. India was not like this 15 years ago and also make no mistake the western nations are not pro-modi and on the contrary as his actually unravaling all of their policies and the reason the US even lost in Afghanistan..

He could force many nations in the region turn their backs to the US and his been solely benefiting China as awkward as it may sound.. China has been gaining allies at fast pace in the area at the expense of Modi's BJP elements who basically handed everything to China without knowing it and now the US is sort of pushed out of this area entirely. If secular leaders were here they wouldn't have fuked up this much and they would have maintained rivalry with Pakistan but at a controlled paced and at the same time be diplomatic in other arena's

wow.....Modi is responsible for US losing Afghanistan?? + all the other stuff you accused him of??

 

[Joe Shearer]

Your understanding is seriously wrong.

Are you speaking of their wish to see Rahul as PM alone, or about the caustic remarks made about Modi, the BJP, the RSS, and the Sangh Parivar in general? If you resent any adverse comment about the four last mentioned, then it is a different kettle of fish, isn't it?

But thanks to 24 hours news channels, the comedy he does is beamed immediately to people, and he looses election after election, but he still stays there.

True, he is not the man any thinking person would want as the PM.

Does that, in your opinion, mean that he is unfit, or does it mean that Modi is the only one not unfit?

 

[jk007]

I think this sanghi @.King. thinks

"We should prove idea behind existence of Pakistan wrong. Lets make a person accused of perpetuating a pogrom of Muslims our PM even if he is illiterate and has a fake degree"

Sir - Blind hatred will do no good.

Pakistan is a reality. Please don't worry about that.

I think this sanghi @.King. thinks

"We should prove idea behind existence of Pakistan wrong. Lets make a person accused of perpetuating a pogrom of Muslims our PM even if he is illiterate and has a fake degree"

Sir - Blind hatred will do no good.

Pakistan is a reality. Please don't worry about that.

I thought Indians keep boasting that Muslims only make 15% of India's population.

Population of muslims is growing....pls do some googling....

 

[jk007]

One of the ways in which liberals in India let down the country was by not pushing for a vigorous system of primary education, with some basic correction of the toxic stuff being spread by the RSS built in. This point is one of those that we should have corrected, in the 67 years that there was a possibility of doing so.

Examples please.

primary education for the masses is an issue in India. How does that explain middle class support for the BJP ?

It is a world wide phenomenon that as citizens get (relatively) richer, they start being more assertive etc leading to center-right.
BJP is the *only* center-right party in India.