Can India & Pakistan come out of the spiral of mutual destruction ?

[Joe Shearer]

How you got to that conclusion, I will never know. But pointless arguing here, thread is useless anyway.

Tell me which party of religious fanatics they voted to power.

 

[Menace2Society]

I reckon by 2050 India will become fully conscious and by 2100 will balkanize which will usher in a golden age for the subcontinent.

 

[Joe Shearer]

How you got to that conclusion, I will never know. But pointless arguing here, thread is useless anyway.

Then do tell me, which race do Pakistanis belong to if not Indic?

Napoleon did it, then Hitler, and now you.

I reckon by 2050 India will become fully conscious and by 2100 will balkanize which will usher in a golden age for the subcontinent.

I hope you are elected President.

 

[.King.]

No need. China is a superpower set to become the world's first ever global hyper power. China also has a huge stake in the survival and prosperity of Pakistan, hence CPEC. If india blocks our water, China will do the same by blocking brahmaputra river...........:

Yeah, china can block the Bramhaputra river. No one is gonna care.

You know why? Because Bramhaputra is fed not by China, but by India. China can at most keep 10-13% of the water, all the rest comes from sources in India.

Learn geography, will help you in such arguments.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Yeah, china can block the Bramhaputra river. No one is gonna care.

You know why? Because Bramhaputra is fed not by China, but by India. China can at most keep 10-13% of the water, all the rest comes from sources in India.

Learn geography, will help you in such arguments.

You couldn't larn him about race, you are now trying to larn him about geography?

What's next, topology? Quantum computing?

Can I have the ticket franchise?

 

[PradoTLC]

seeing the destruction in Europe and the never ending animosity between our 2 countries, I was wondering whether the lessons of Europe can result in our 2 countries overcoming fixed positions, like Pakistan's kashmir only policy , and aim for normal relations between us ?
Why I mention kashmir is because India has no such single condition for normalcy.
We are just wasting the resources of 2 impoverished countries on a arms race .

india must drop RSS hindu religion totally

 

[Bossman]

Disagree.

We are polarised between bigoted and anti-national politicians on one side, and a totally politicised military on the other.


This is what a lunatic fringe thinks, not any responsible Indian.

Not the 17% Muslim population, not the 20% Dalit population - they have their own battles. So that make 37% indifferent to this idea. Straightaway to assert that even 67% of the population, without exception, still thinks that Pakistan is a bad idea is a frightfully short-sighted assessment.

You are basically saying that Modi and BJP and all their supporters are a lunatic fringe.

 

[Imran Khan]

you are talking about south asians man they will never be civilized next 150 years

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

How you got to that conclusion, I will never know. But pointless arguing here, thread is useless anyway.

Then do tell me, which race do Pakistanis belong to if not Indic?

indic is not a racial descriptor. For example, a North African is racially different to a Sub-Saharn African but both races are referred to as African. In the same way, 99.9% of Pakistanis have 0 racial or genetic connection to south/central and most North indians. Pathans and other Nomadic Persianized tribes make up nearly 40% of Pakistan's population yet have 0 genetic or racial links to india. Pakistani Punjabis who make up approximately 55% of Pakistan's population have racial or genetic links to around 2% of indians. Therefore at least 98% of indians have 0 racial/genetic links to Pakistan.

Yeah, china can block the Bramhaputra river. No one is gonna care.

You know why? Because Bramhaputra is fed not by China, but by India. China can at most keep 10-13% of the water, all the rest comes from sources in India.

Learn geography, will help you in such arguments.

........read the following carefully....... :

India-China relations and the geopolitics of water | Lowy Institute

Control over key rivers effectively gives China a chokehold on India’s economy – and poses a wider regional threat.

www.lowyinstitute.org

China can block the source to the brahmaputra...........

 

[paritosh]

I agree with most posters, we need a near 100% agreement of international borders to move further. I do hope that we stop changing borders and move beyond and rise in the world order. Countless generations have suffered at the hands of problems people from a different continent started that we have been unable to resolve.

 

[Joe Shearer]

You are basically saying that Modi and BJP and all their supporters are a lunatic fringe.

Yes.

I count not the electoral support, but the hard-core running the Sangh Parivar.

After the Second World War, the Allies found less than 500 people to be punishable in Germany. Think of that proportion.

 

[Maula Jatt]

you are talking about south asians man they will never be civilized next 150 years

You're a product of successful assimilation
As balochs would never identity with South Asia, Desi, indic or anything close to that

 

[Joe Shearer]

indic is not a racial descriptor. For example, a North African is racially different to a Sub-Saharn African but both races are referred to as African. In the same way, 99.9% of Pakistanis have 0 racial or genetic connection to south/central and most North indians. Pathans and other Nomadic Persianized tribes make up nearly 40% of Pakistan's population yet have 0 genetic or racial links to india. Pakistani Punjabis who make up approximately 55% of Pakistan's population have racial or genetic links to around 2% of indians. Therefore at least 98% of indians have 0 racial/genetic links to Pakistan.







........read the following carefully....... :

India-China relations and the geopolitics of water | Lowy Institute

Control over key rivers effectively gives China a chokehold on India’s economy – and poses a wider regional threat.

www.lowyinstitute.org

China can block the source to the brahmaputra...........

@.King.
See what I mean?

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Yes.

I count not the electoral support, but the hard-core running the Sangh Parivar.

After the Second World War, the Allies found less than 500 people to be punishable in Germany. Think of that proportion.

So 700-800 million indians are a lunatic fringe...........

 

[Maira La]

The issue is fundamental. India believes that the entire basis for the formation of pakistan, the idea that muslims can not live together with other religions, is a flawed idea. For pakistan, giving up on this is not a choice - Doing so would mean balkanisation of the country. For India, accepting the flawed idea is not possible - Its own experience and the existence of India as an undivided nation shows that Muslims can, and have lived with other religions. Other issues like pakistani terror, Kashmir, the difference in structure of Indian and pakistani administration etc only aggravate the issue.

The fundamental issue is not religion.

The fundamental issue is the lack of total decolonization since British left. A fake Azadi.

They just handed over the entire colony, with their conquered territory, their administrative set up, the British built infrastructure and industries to the local elites (who dominated Congress).

What this means for the rest of the population is colonization would continue under Hindu upper castes.

This is what drove Muslims to unite and resist continued colonization under Hindu elites. Without this threat it's unthinkable that a Bengali Muslim, a Punjabi Muslim and a Pashtun Muslim would unite under one flag.

What do we have in common with Punjabi Muslims? Nothing. By jumping on the Pakistani bandwagon, we got rid of the Brahmins who owned all the land in East Bengal. 1971 was inevitable, but kicking Brahmins out in '47 was not.

India has an interest in occupying the Pakistan region, not only Kashmir. This threat, and the Kashmir issue, keeps Pakistan united. Religion is wrongly perceived as the single most powerful force that keeps them united. Pakistanis, though racially, culturally, and linguistically are a far more cohesive unit than the Indians (a continent basically), they are still a federation of nations like India. When India balkanizes and returns to it's pre-colonial state, that might in turn trigger breakdown of Pakistan into ethnic states.