Can India & Pakistan come out of the spiral of mutual destruction ?

[Wood]

Couldn't disagree more. Tell me and my kinfolk that we have to become Ram-bhakts to remain Hindu, and you'll find out. There is no secessionist move in Bengal, just a wish that the cow-belt turds would leave us alone and mishandle their own states. There is enough damage they can do to themselves, before coming around to us.

We are still the peaceful ones. Try telling the Tamilian that he is secessionist because he is ethno-nationalist. Do it from a safe distance, preferably on a long-distance phone line. Just some good advice; you can also do it standing on the Marina Beach. Remember to tell all your friends on PDF where to send the flowers.

I did not say that you have to be a secessionist to be an ethno-nationalist. But secessionism in subcontinent is almost always associated with ethno-nationalism while the reverse may not be true. Please don't mistake correlation with causation.

I've never known Bengalis in India to be secessionists. But Tamils have a history of secessionist ethno-nationalistic views. This notion mellowed in the 60s after the defeat from China.

 

[Joe Shearer]

But real reason is
A-water B- ethnicity as Pak is populated by northerners and they have historical/cultural connections with kashmiris - it's like you make a country and divide MP from UP

Reasonable, though self-serving.

 

[Wood]

দাদু, বাজে কথাটা বাদ দেবেন ?

I don't speak this language. But based on google translate, you've called me a grandpa. I'm likely less than half your age

 

[Maula Jatt]

Water disputes can be settled with international arbitration. India is treaty bound to give 80% of water (from Indus system) to Pakistan. The only time that India can or will breach this is when there is open war between two countries. War will precede the violation of water treaty, not the other way around.

As for Kashmiris, they are known to say "We are Muslims and therefore, we must be with Pakistan". I've not heard them say that we are ethnically related to Pakistanis. If this is true, then Punjabis in India will also want to join Pakistan

Our opinions are not the same in the matter. Luckily, they are just opinions - neither of us can or should treat them as facts. I've said my piece on this matter

who can stop India from using our water resources? we cant really enforce it nor can any international body if India really wants to do that
Modi threatened to do that, we had to call in the Chinese to threaten back afaik

 

[Joe Shearer]

My man
did you just reiterated my points
but smarter?
wth

Sneaky, huh?

AND snaffle all the credit.

I tell you - some publicity hounds and narcissists!

Please don't mistake correlation with causation.

What?

No more Post Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc?

Is nothing sacred?

I don't speak this language. But based on google translate, you've called me a grandpa. I'm likely less than half your age

Age-ist!

I don't speak this language

That's the point. You can't generalise.

 

[Maula Jatt]

First rule of warfare - NEVER attack Russia.

wdym sir?

 

[Joe Shearer]

what can stop India from using our water resources? we cant really enforce it nor can any international body if India really wants to that

And so it is a cause for war?

Champ, look up a guy called Aesop and read about the Wolf and the Lamb.

wdym sir?

He's trying to reason with @pakistan forever!

 

[Wood]

what can stop India from using our water resources? we cant really enforce it nor can any international body if India really wants to that

India has not and will not violate its water treaty because it is party to International agreements just like every other country. India will try to bend the rules as much as it can get away with. But Pakistan can always keep Indian actions under check by making a case in International court.

I don't think Pakistan has so far won any major international court filings on this front against India. That should give tell you something.

 

[UK_PAKISTANI]

The first and last lines of this post are polar opposites

Correct.
We either live like brothers or one of us must die ( be partitioned again into smaller pieces )

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

India has not and will not violate its water treaty because it is party to International agreements just like every other country. India will try to bend the rules as much as it can get away with. But Pakistan can always keep Indian actions under check by making a case in International court.

I don't think Pakistan has so far won any major international court filings on this front against India. That should give tell you something.

No need. China is a superpower set to become the world's first ever global hyper power. China also has a huge stake in the survival and prosperity of Pakistan, hence CPEC. If india blocks our water, China will do the same by blocking brahmaputra river...........:

India-China relations and the geopolitics of water | Lowy Institute

Control over key rivers effectively gives China a chokehold on India’s economy – and poses a wider regional threat.

www.lowyinstitute.org

Correct.
We either live like brothers or one of us must die ( be partitioned again into smaller pieces )

How about we don't have NOTHING to do with eachother WHATSOEVER. Problem solved.

 

[Wood]

No need. China is a superpower set to become the world's first ever global hyper power. China also has a huge stake in the survival and prosperity of Pakistan, hence CPEC. If india blocks our water, China will do the same by blocking brahmaputra river...........:

India-China relations and the geopolitics of water | Lowy Institute

Control over key rivers effectively gives China a chokehold on India’s economy – and poses a wider regional threat.

www.lowyinstitute.org

If you are trying to say that India will not block Pakistan's water, then we agree

 

[SIPRA]

It should be clear that the firm foundations of enmity, between India and Pakistan, were laid by none other than INC, under the leadership of Nehru, with the active connivance of Mountbatten. Besides other actions, the principal one was attack on Kashmir.

RSS, Maha Sabha, and other extreme Hindu organizations had not much role in this, because, by and large, they didn't yield much power, at that time.

 

[Wood]

Correct.
We either live like brothers or one of us must die ( be partitioned again into smaller pieces )

It is more likely that BAU will continue

 

[.King.]

Don't forget that the Pakistani people never elected religious fanatics to power. We did.

How you got to that conclusion, I will never know. But pointless arguing here, thread is useless anyway.

 

[.King.]

Don't forget that the Pakistani people never elected religious fanatics to power. We did.

How you got to that conclusion, I will never know. But pointless arguing here, thread is useless anyway.

That in NO way implies that Pakistanis and indians are the same race. The above means nothing. I have lived in London UK all my life and have seen countless Pakistanis and indians and know full well that both are physically different.

Then do tell me, which race do Pakistanis belong to if not Indic?