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Can India do what Russia did in Ukraine? -Gen. Tariq

The General's assertions are correct. The military disparity between Pakistan and India is not as wide as between Ukraine and Russia, and Pakistan is more evenly matched with India on the IB (India has to commit resources elsewhere too). Conventionally, Pakistan has shorter and more sustainable supply lines, a battle hardened army, an evenly matched air force and generally sharper 'Tip of the Spear' military technology.

I don't think India would be able to do a Russia in Pakistan even just in conventional terms. They would not be able to ground the Pakistani airforce or establish air superiority, and because of India's size, as we saw in the early 2000s, they are slow to mobilise which gives Pakistan a headstart and the opportunity for a preemptive first strike (in line with our doctrine).

In terms of China, no country is going to fight another's wars. War is ultimately a destructive force and something China knows keenly (hence its approach being pushing and prodding instead of open conflict). Pakistan didn't go to war over Afghanistan in 2001 even though we were close allies, and we have stayed out of Yemen as well. What Pakistan will benefit from China though is non-kinetic support, similar to the support NATO is giving to Ukraine at the moment in the form of signit intel and supplies. Pakistan's military integration with China makes it easier for China to resupply us, especially in the air. I think the furthest China would go would be in terms of assisting us in cyber war against the Indians. As Gwadar develops as well, I think Pakistan can rely on China keeping Pakistan's sea lanes open, something which Pakistan has struggled with in past wars - Indian attempts to close or blockade Gwadar could be seen as a casus belli for China and something they will likely want to stay away from.

Essentially, Pakistan would not have the naval and supply side issues it has had in previous wars, and would be (we hope) be able to rely on superiority in the cyber dimension. What extent that superiority is in cyber we don't know - the Indians may get better at it with Western help, and the Chinese may want to limit the extent of their assistance in that domain to prevent dragging themselves into the conflict as a direct party. But I would say something similar to February 27th 2019 would be on the cards.

And also - can we please put a lid on the IEA hero worship. They are great at guerilla warfare but things only picked up for them from 2008 when Pakistan started increasing its support and they relied on safe havens in FATA. They cannot fight a conventional war. This was a mistake Hamid Gul made in Jalalabad in 1989 and a mistake the IEA made in Chaman where they were rebuffed across the border with 9-13 casualties. The Indian Army isn't the ANA and the IEA aren't some superheroes. Pakistan's army jawans are far more capable than IEA footsoldiers and by placing the latter on a pedestal we are doing our brave men a disservice.
 
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India would need odds of 25:1 or more to succeed this time since nukes are also a factor

Good luck to pajeets for that. For now they are forced to divide their troops between Pakistan and China
Out of 24 divs facing Pak 4 are already gone, thanks to China,; 20 more to go...
 
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forget nukes just conventionally and the real odds is 5:1 in our advantage... We didn't occupy india for 1000 years out of fluke.. We have superiority over them where it matters most but some doesn't realize it
You forgot the ratio dude, remember the late 1960s, it is 1:10 in Pakistan's favour.
Never forget this....!!
 
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The closest they couldve gotten wrt that ratio was in 2007-2014 when the TTP terrorists and Balochistan terrorists were at their peak.
Dont bet on them not doing so
They are comitted while we are laxed
Look at current situation evolving in Sindh(pretty weak but long standing intellectuals of sindudesh) balochistan(BLA), kpk(ttp evolving weak) and now even punjab(neo punjabism and antiarmy sentiment under PMLN, a new threat)
 
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Invite the IEA to the campaign

Why the fu*ck did you bring these clowns in this discussion you dumbhead

Pakistan doesn't need help from these jerks. Stop embarrassing us with this nonsense

These guys should stop harboring Noor Wali Mehsud and his Kharji gang and that would be enough for us
 
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Why the fu*ck did you bring these clowns in this discussion you dumbhead

Pakistan doesn't need help from these jerks. Stop embarrassing us with this nonsense

We need stragetic depth that is a fact...

We also need these fukers to break down the Indians into tears... If Russia can utilized Belarus as stragetic depth why can't we utilize them besides they are 50m strong and much better then Belarus besides we need their capability of just being patient and relentless. Hence we gotta slowly modernize them... The Indians will melt infront of these guys and our armed forces...

We only exclude them if are planning on defensive appraoches which by default can't be in our doctrine period.. We gotta go for the throat after the first bullet is fired kill or be killed type of appraoch.. Russian roulette...

Hell or heaven... Ride or die, Glory or de-exist... Fuk India entirely or the highway..

The option is basically narrow to OFFENSIVE
 
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We need stragetic depth that is a fact...

We also need these fukers to break down the Indians into tears... If Russia can utilized Belarus as stragetic depth why can't we utilize them besides they are 50m strong and much better then Belarus besides we need their capability of just being patient and relentless. Hence we gotta slowly modernize them... The Indians will melt infront of these guys

No we don't need these racist f*cks

You can simp for them somewhere else. Don't pollute every thread with simping for these guys
 
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No we don't need these racist f*cks

You can simp for them somewhere else. Don't pollute every thread with simping for these guys

All these petty stuff won't further our Interest? You wanna take over the Indian rat or not? You need cat for that and in this case cats as in more then 1 since you already have one cat (Pak army) Unleash them..

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All these petty stuff won't further our Interest? You wanna take over the Indian rat or not? You need cat for that and in this case cats since you already have on cat (Pak army)


You can simp for these guys as much you want to. Just don't pollute every thread with it
 
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