Can all 5 PN subs carry Babur SLCM?

[Theparadox]

And whats the point subs carrying babur?? Even subs bought from Chinese may won't carry such SLCM.

India, even after having bought the ToT of scorpene, and having built 6 at home and 6 more planned, French have not shared the source code of their combat management system, so in all likelihood, French wouldnt have shared the source code of their agosta-90 with Pakistan especially when Pakistani order was way smaller than India's financially.

If we buy 6 more then they definitely will share source codes.

 

[Maarkhoor]

Being fired from Agosta is an internet story. It's not claimed by Pak Navy.

Actually we fired it from INS Sindhurakshak....you have any problem?

 

[Safriz]

Being fired from Agosta is an internet story. It's not claimed by Pak Navy.

ISPR did say "Underwater mobile platform"

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

Whats the big deal with subs carrying babur?Babur is not a ballistic missile.This is mostly for show ,a decoy/phony underwater deterrent.Unlike ballistic missiles, subsonic cruise missiles are easy to shoot down.No way can Babur attack heavily guarded installations or cities if it has to go up against a layered defence of S-400,Barak-8,Spyder/Akash and finally AAA guns(even AA guns can shoot them down).Launched from sea it will also have to contend with barak-8s of IN destroyers and frigates.Maybe 1 in 10 gets through.Waste of nuke warheads.

Ultimately the main pakistani nuclear strike weapon will remain TEL launched rail road mobile ballistic missiles.

 

[ziaulislam]

ISPR did sat "Underwater mobile platform"

you know the level of authenticity india requires
first few tests they didnt even believe it was missle

but in couple of years it will sink in

Whats the big deal with subs carrying babur?Babur is not a ballistic missile.This is mostly for show ,a decoy/phony underwater deterrent.Unlike ballistic missiles, subsonic cruise missiles are easy to shoot down.No way can Babur attack heavily guarded installations or cities if it has to go up against a layered defence of S-400,Barak-8,Spyder/Akash and finally AAA guns(even AA guns can shoot them down).Launched from sea it will also have to contend with barak-8s of IN destroyers and frigates.Maybe 1 in 10 gets through.Waste of nuke warheads.

Ultimately the main pakistani nuclear strike weapon will remain TEL launched rail road mobile ballistic missiles.

if you say so..every one else seems to disagree including the US...but who knows you might a better expert

the ultimate deterant will be fully mobile all terrain multiple TEL vehicles than can launch an MRIV capable ababeel

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

if you say so..every one else seems to disagree including the US...but who knows you might a better expert

the ultimate deterant will be fully mobile all terrain multiple TEL vehicles than can launch an MRIV capable ababeel

Its an additional option,but it can never replace a true SSBN.Everyone else doesn't disagree with me because all major navies field heavy SSBN like ohio and borei class.

Yes,a MIRVed TEL launched nuclear carrier IS a serious deterrent.

 

[ziaulislam]

Its an additional option,but it can never replace a true SSBN.Everyone else doesn't disagree with me because all major navies field heavy SSBN like ohio and borei class.

Yes,a MIRVed TEL launched nuclear carrier IS a serious deterrent.

problem with cruise missile is the range and time to impact

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

problem with cruise missile is the range and time to impact

And speed.Ballistic missiles travel at mach 10 plus,subsonic cruise at less than 1 mach.

 

[Safriz]

Its an additional option,but it can never replace a true SSBN.Everyone else doesn't disagree with me because all major navies field heavy SSBN like ohio and borei class.

Yes,a MIRVed TEL launched nuclear carrier IS a serious deterrent.

India Pakistan scenario is much different from any other nuclear confrontation In the world .
Because we are right next doors to each other, we don't need long endurance nuclear powered submarines and ICBM to annihilate each other.

 

[My-Analogous]

Whats the big deal with subs carrying babur?Babur is not a ballistic missile.This is mostly for show ,a decoy/phony underwater deterrent.Unlike ballistic missiles, subsonic cruise missiles are easy to shoot down.No way can Babur attack heavily guarded installations or cities if it has to go up against a layered defence of S-400,Barak-8,Spyder/Akash and finally AAA guns(even AA guns can shoot them down).Launched from sea it will also have to contend with barak-8s of IN destroyers and frigates.Maybe 1 in 10 gets through.Waste of nuke warheads.

Ultimately the main pakistani nuclear strike weapon will remain TEL launched rail road mobile ballistic missiles.

India didn't even need that and her bollywood actors just look up and missile destroyed. India have vedic technology to counter any missile except US now (previous this status was Russian due to weapon import). Carry on with your world and rest of the world are so idiot to make layers to intercept missiles especially cruise missiles

 

[ziaulislam]

And speed.Ballistic missiles travel at mach 10 plus,subsonic cruise at less than 1 mach.

wrong, Blastic missle can be seen so it has to be fast

while cruise missle is difficult
to see due to stealth and LOW flight/terrian hugging

 

[Shabi1]

And speed.Ballistic missiles travel at mach 10 plus,subsonic cruise at less than 1 mach.

There is a thing called curvature of the Earth. The lower you fly the lower range you can be detected because the Earths curvature will hide you from sensors. Terrain hugging cruise missiles fly really low so they are detected really late. Here is a detection graph for the S400.

So unless you have complete AWACs coverage that is data linked with your SAMs a cruise missile flying at 10-15ft above sea level or in terrain hugging mode will only be engaged by your point defence missiles or CIWS. Babur might be subsonic but it is kept that way to be maneuverable enough to have good terrain hugging capability.

Secondly advanced cruise missiles like the Babur can be programmed to fly waypoints to confuse defences or attack from multiple approaches.

Ballistic missiles can carry a greater payload over a greater distance they have their own advantages but cruise missiles are more stealthy. Ballistic missiles follow a high ballistic trajectory so they can be engaged by long range defenses. A MIRV ballistic missile like Ababeel can carry multiple warheads overwhelming defences and increasing its hit rate.

https://dailytimes.com.pk/31906/babur-iii-and-ababeel-contours-and-counters/
https://southasianvoices.org/hot-takes-pakistan-test-fires-babur-3/

 

[hussain0216]

Whats the big deal with subs carrying babur?Babur is not a ballistic missile.This is mostly for show ,a decoy/phony underwater deterrent.Unlike ballistic missiles, subsonic cruise missiles are easy to shoot down.No way can Babur attack heavily guarded installations or cities if it has to go up against a layered defence of S-400,Barak-8,Spyder/Akash and finally AAA guns(even AA guns can shoot them down).Launched from sea it will also have to contend with barak-8s of IN destroyers and frigates.Maybe 1 in 10 gets through.Waste of nuke warheads.

Ultimately the main pakistani nuclear strike weapon will remain TEL launched rail road mobile ballistic missiles.

Yeah we are good with all that..

I think our military is quite confident of beating any indian air defence, immense amount of effort is going into make our cruise missiles being stealthy and able to circumvent any indian air defences layered or otherwise to strike intended targets

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

Even with curvature of earth,they will be detected eventually.After that its easy to shoot down.Even an AAA gun can shoot it down with basic radar support in terminal stage.And something like barak-8 is desigend to kill them.Allow due to risky terrain hugging flight some missiles hit the surface during flight and crash as has happened frequently in afghanistan and syria with tomahawks and those warheads are a waste.Moreover the warhead size will be small.Pakistan has limited number of nuke warheads,thus wasting them on baburs is a luxury.A few can be deployed to stretch indian resources and have an additional option,but they will never be a reliable deterrent because they can be shot down.Ballistic missiles will always be the main deterrent because they can't be shot down with reliability.These are just something complimentary- a sideshow,a stopgap ,something to have better than nothing because PN can't afford a real SSBN.If(or when) PN could afford a real SSBN it wouldn't bother with this.

 

[Reichsmarschall]

someone, please tell this retarded TTA Indias newly founded daddy Israel is also using subsonic cruise missiles as sea-based deterrent