Cambodia was a covid success story and using Chinese vaccines

[Mista]

I just realuse something, Cambodia was almost vaccinated entirely by Sinovac vaccines and had very low mortality. But people say Chinese vaccines don't work. Indonesia using Chinese vaccines had less death than US or India.

1) Developing countries tend to severely underreport deaths. Pakistan with 200mil+ people is reporting average of 0 death for the past few weeks.

India with 1.4bil people is only reporting 3 deaths per day, and reported deaths is around 500K+ while excess deaths is around ~6.4mil (1.4bil/100K*463) deaths.

askST: What is excess death and what is Covid-19's true toll on the world?

Singapore saw 2,490 excess deaths due to Covid-19 between January 2020 and June 2022. Read more at straitstimes.com.

www.straitstimes.com

2) Demographics play a huge role.

In the US, those aged 65+ account for ~90% of deaths, and those aged 85+ account for 38% of deaths.

From SG's stats in the past few weeks, the chances of you dying from Covid is virtually zero if you're below 80 even if you're not fully vaccinated. There is a noticeable spike only for the non-fully vaccinated aged 80+.

Cambodia's demographics:

Only 4.43% of Cambodians are above the age of 65, and 0.7% are above the age of 80.

In other words, only ~4%+ of their population belongs to moderate-risk groups aged 65+ and ~0.7% belongs to high-risk groups aged 80+.

 

[mili]

Yeah sure, because I infiltrated Singapore, HK, Chile, Malaysia, and co-authored all these studies:

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lol, try to understand the studies first b4 wasting others' time here.
When even SG advised those who cant handle mrna side effects to take Sinovac instead, u should know the health conditions of those pushed to Sinovac.
And u should look for latest studies for 3 shots.

When even pfizer ceo himself has been infected multiple times, their own admission protection against infection is dismal, maybe 20% or less and last only a few months if not weeks or just look at how covid is spreading like wild fire etc etc stop wasting time to look at antibody levels.
We have moved a long way from the 95% protection crap from mrna.
All current vax are bad at protecting from infection.

And check out the excess deaths % from all causes too. One of the ways mrna 'protects' u from covid is to get to u first b4 covid.

 

[Mista]

When even SG advised those who cant handle mrna side effects to take Sinovac instead, u should know the health conditions of those pushed to Sinovac.

Then in the first place, why even suggest mRNA from the word go if it's not any superior when Sinovac is available?

We have moved a long way from the 95% protection crap from mrna.
All current vax are bad at protecting from infection.

~99.7% of cases are mild (in reality it's even lower because many don't even bother testing/reporting to the authorities).

And check out the excess deaths % from all causes too. One of the ways mrna 'protects' u from covid is to get to u first b4 covid.

Sure, like China having ~658K excess deaths (1.4bil/1mil*470) not directly from Covid but due to lockdowns, delayed care, and suicides while China officially reports 5k+ Covid deaths (not even 1% of excess deaths).

askST: What is excess death and what is Covid-19's true toll on the world?

Singapore saw 2,490 excess deaths due to Covid-19 between January 2020 and June 2022. Read more at straitstimes.com.

www.straitstimes.com

 

[etylo]

Then in the first place, why even suggest mRNA from the word go if it's not any superior when Sinovac is available?



~99.7% of cases are mild (in reality it's even lower because many don't even bother testing/reporting to the authorities).
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Sure, like China having ~658K excess deaths (1.4bil/1mil*470) not directly from Covid but due to lockdowns, delayed care, and suicides while China officially reports 5k+ Covid deaths (not even 1% of excess deaths).

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askST: What is excess death and what is Covid-19's true toll on the world?

Singapore saw 2,490 excess deaths due to Covid-19 between January 2020 and June 2022. Read more at straitstimes.com.

www.straitstimes.com

Where is your BS of Chinese excess deaths of 658k relating to covid coming from ? This is the first time I heard someone making such outrageous claim on Chinese covid deaths, you SG must be such western worshippers beyond peoples understanding that go out all the way to lick your masters ***. You are sure trying to discredit Chinese covid management effort in every possible way be it with fake data.

 

[Han Patriot]

Yeah sure, because I infiltrated Singapore, HK, Chile, Malaysia, and co-authored all these studies:

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Read the UAE study published in June 2022. Don't be bias. CORONAVAC was created for the first variant and it was 80% ish effective.

Effectiveness of BBIBP-CorV vaccine against severe outcomes of COVID-19 in Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates - Nature Communications

There is limited real-world evidence for the effectiveness of the BBIBP-CorV (Sinopharm) vaccine against severe COVID-19 disease. Here, the authors use data from Abu Dhabi and estimate effectiveness at 80% against hospitalization; 86% against critical care admission and 84% against death.

www.nature.com

 

[Han Patriot]

Then in the first place, why even suggest mRNA from the word go if it's not any superior when Sinovac is available?



~99.7% of cases are mild (in reality it's even lower because many don't even bother testing/reporting to the authorities).
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Sure, like China having ~658K excess deaths (1.4bil/1mil*470) not directly from Covid but due to lockdowns, delayed care, and suicides while China officially reports 5k+ Covid deaths (not even 1% of excess deaths).

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askST: What is excess death and what is Covid-19's true toll on the world?

Singapore saw 2,490 excess deaths due to Covid-19 between January 2020 and June 2022. Read more at straitstimes.com.

www.straitstimes.com

How did you get 609k excess death and link it to lockdowns when less than 1% of China was ever under lockdowns at any one time? Do you even know how the zero covid system works? 2 dose Corovac is pathetic but 3 dose coronavac vs 3 dose Pfizer offered not much difference in preventing deaths/severe disease from the HK studies . You have to understand sinovac was guven to the most vulnerable aka easiest to die since it was safer. This skewed the date when applied to a smallee population like Singapore. Imagine this you give vaccine A to 100% of the 80 year olds and give vaccine B to 100% of the 40 year olds. When shit hit the fan, what is the result? Common sense right?

My uncle in Singapore had cancer 2 months after second dose Pfizer. Lund University studies proved that the Mrna mutated into Dna in liver cells after 2 hours. Inactivated vaccines are not LiVE vaccines. 200 old ppl died right after taking Pfizer in Norway, anybody tabulating how many died from Mrna vaccines?

 

[Beast]

Then in the first place, why even suggest mRNA from the word go if it's not any superior when Sinovac is available?



~99.7% of cases are mild (in reality it's even lower because many don't even bother testing/reporting to the authorities).
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Sure, like China having ~658K excess deaths (1.4bil/1mil*470) not directly from Covid but due to lockdowns, delayed care, and suicides while China officially reports 5k+ Covid deaths (not even 1% of excess deaths).

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askST: What is excess death and what is Covid-19's true toll on the world?

Singapore saw 2,490 excess deaths due to Covid-19 between January 2020 and June 2022. Read more at straitstimes.com.

www.straitstimes.com

Dont make me laugh with those China excessive death claim. Those who lose the argument will start to put those lies but make u look stupid only.

 

[kuge]

Then in the first place, why even suggest mRNA from the word go if it's not any superior when Sinovac is available?







Sure, like China having ~658K excess deaths (1.4bil/1mil*470) not directly from Covid but due to lockdowns, delayed care, and suicides while China officially reports 5k+ Covid deaths (not even 1% of excess deaths).

askST: What is excess death and what is Covid-19's true toll on the world?

Singapore saw 2,490 excess deaths due to Covid-19 between January 2020 and June 2022. Read more at straitstimes.com.

www.straitstimes.com

did you get the figure from falungong site?

 

[the_messenger]

We shall soon know the answer conclusively in 2 weeks time. I believe the death rate will be small compare to m-RNA.
I have great trust in deactivated vaccines, not because they are Chinese

 

[Han Patriot]

Indeed, slander paid fabricate report. Typical cheap tactics against anything from China.

It is actually selective reporting and under reporting. Very typical of westen msm is to highlight something without looking into the details and then don't report something which explains the anomaly.

 

[mili]

No surprise. Even from early days of the vaccine, there were many layman comments that China's inactivated vax using the entire virus are better than mrna using only the spike protein, especially when dealing with mutated virus.

Now expert studies also prove this.

In the days of delta, SG's pioneer in Hepatitis vaccine Dr Gabriel Oon Chong Jin already had this to say about the covid vax,

NCID director debunks ‘misleading’ anti-vaxxing messages from Singapore doctors | Coconuts

Singapore epidemiologist David Lye today called out local doctors who have been petitioning against the use of mRNA vaccines.

coconuts.co

"Separately, doctor Oon Chong Jin, known for his work on hepatitis B vaccination in Singapore, wrote on WhatsApp that the mRNA vaccines were “useless” against the B1617 variants discovered in India while also urging authorities to use Sinovac instead."

Duke-NUS Medical School - All News

Check out the latest news and media highlights at Duke-NUS.

www.duke-nus.edu.sg

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Dr Oon was the principal investigator for the World Health Organization and International Agency for Research in Cancer where he studied the prevention of Liver Cancer by Hepatitis B vaccine. He was the first Chairman for the Ministry of Health’s Scientific and Advisory Committee on Hepatitis and related diseases in 1983.
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In the early days, when Singapore first received 20 vials of the Hepatitis B vaccine. Dr Oon became the first volunteer to be injected with the Hepatitis B vaccine, along with 19 other medical and scientific staff members from the “Ransome team” to convince the public and the Prime Minister of Singapore then, Mr Lee Kuan Yew of the safety of the vaccine. Dr Oon’s sons were also the first children in Singapore to receive the vaccine..............

 

[tonyget]

Sure, like China having ~658K excess deaths (1.4bil/1mil*470) not directly from Covid but due to lockdowns, delayed care, and suicides while China officially reports 5k+ Covid deaths (not even 1% of excess deaths).

According to SG media？

 

[LakeHawk180]

Not only Cambodia, Mongolia, UAE as well. It is also a fact that during the peak of Delta in 2021 (around April - September), many countries in ASEAN depend on China Vaccine and Astra Zeneca: Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand as well as Pakistan and Vietnam. Some country use more chinese vaccine, some use more AZ
m-RNA only become widely available after the peak pass
The performance is good, very good. It make the effort to lock down China in 2022 become really confusing

I can’t speak for Cambodia or Mongolia, but the UAE quickly walked back on Sinovac. Everyone who got the sinovac shot were asked to get the Pfizer one after supplies were established.

 

[the_messenger]

I can’t speak for Cambodia or Mongolia, but the UAE quickly walked back on Sinovac. Everyone who got the sinovac shot were asked to get the Pfizer one after supplies were established.

The key point is "after the supplies were established", and that time was after the peak of delta.
During the peak of delta Cambodia, Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia, Mongolia and even UAE vaccinated a large part of their population with Chinese vaccine
And most of all is Pakistan, I believe they have Delta at the very same time as India, thanks to the smaller population and -maybe- Chinese vaccines, they escape death
Anyway, let's give it 2 weeks, after the world cup then

 

[Mista]

How did you get 609k excess death

Dont make me laugh with those China excessive death claim. Those who lose the argument will start to put those lies but make u look stupid only.

did you get the figure from falungong site?

askST: What is excess death and what is Covid-19's true toll on the world?

Singapore saw 2,490 excess deaths due to Covid-19 between January 2020 and June 2022. Read more at straitstimes.com.

www.straitstimes.com

1.4bil/1mil*470 = ~658k

Estimated cumulative excess deaths during COVID-19

For countries that have not reported all-cause mortality data for a given week, an estimate is shown, with uncertainty interval. If reported data is available, that value only is shown. For comparison, cumulative confirmed COVID-19 deaths are shown.

ourworldindata.org