Cambodia & Laos Defence Forum

[BoQ77]

Cambodian and Laotian students, kids follow our universities and kindergartens.
We see them everyday. Their dormitories have better conditions than our students.

Most of them can use Vietnamese language as mother language.
They would be officials in their countries.

 

[Aepsilons]

Cambodia Major General commander Srey Dek, right, arm wrestles with Thai Major General Kanok:

khmer surin song - kontrim - Pop song - khmer song - YouTube



@Kiss_of_the_Dragon

 

[Aepsilons]

Cambodian Defense Delegation Visits Thailand Amid Tensions

Earlier this week, Cambodia’s deputy prime minister and defense minister paid a visit to neighboring Thailand to strengthen military ties between the two countries. Thailand experienced a coup in May of this year that has left the country under the rule of a military junta, led by General Prayuth Chan-ocha. The Cambodian delegation was led by Defense Minister General Tea Banh who met with a variety of Thai military leaders, including Supreme Commander Thanasak Patimaprakon and General Prayuth. The visit marks the first high-level military meeting between the two countries since the Thai military seized power in May. The visit takes place amid accusations from Thailand that Cambodia is harboring anti-junta activists.

According to The Cambodia Daily, the Cambodian delegation expressed its confidence in the leadership of the Thai military junta, stating that they believed that the military will bring “peace and order” to Thailand and that Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen, “understands the situation in Thailand very well.” Banh told the Cambodian media that the two sides discussed military cooperation without providing details about what specific topics were discussed. The Cambodian delegation also raised the issue of migrant workers.

The Cambodian side further assured the Thai military junta that it would not harbor any Thai political activists, including Thai red shirt activists. The “red shirts,” in contrast with the pro-monarchy “yellow shirts,” support the ousted government of Yingluck Shinawatra and her exiled brother, Thaksin Shinawatra. Since the Thai coup, several red shirt activists have had arrest warrants issued against them by the National Council for Peace and Order, the post-coup apex governing body in the country. The Thai military suspects that many have crossed the border into Cambodia.

In general, the Cambodian delegation went to great lengths to convey to the Thai military junta that it was entirely in favor of the coup in Thailand and of what the military was doing to maintain law and order in the country. Banh assured Prayuth that everyone from Cambodian King Norodom Sihamoni to the country’s generals and politicians support the Thai junta.

For Cambodia, the Thai coup represents a significant source of risk. As other analysts have noted, since the coup, Thailand’s military junta has deported thousands of Cambodian migrant workers. These migrant workers send back remittances from the wages they earn in Thailand. As such, the Thai coup will have economic consequences for Cambodia. Given the populist nature of Yingluck Shinawatra’s government policies, the junta apparently feared that these migrant workers would become an additional political nuisance by backing the red shirt cause in Thailand.


Cambodian Defense Delegation Visits Thailand Amid Tensions | The Diplomat

 

[BoQ77]

Vietnam never feel regret to save Cambodian people as human being to each other.
Look at below pictures and film. That's true emotion from both. During 1989.

Some other Cambodian who left their country for France during Khmer Rouge rule, never know how we love each other, Cambodian villagers and lower class who unable to escape to Europe.

Like sons and mother.

Nowaday cooperation between Vietnam special force and Cambodia paratrooper force.

This is tale of China, Vietnam, USA and Cambodia. For someone who want to have a brief.
In the Story: Cambodia stand for Khmer Rouge, Vietnam stand for VPA.

There were 4 families in a suburb call “the World”: America - the richest and most powerful, China –the second richest and powerful, Vietnam - a poor but brave family living in a house just in front of China’s, Cambodia - a poor family who live in the right of Vietnam’s house.

Not long ago, America intruded into Vietnam’s garden and beat his wife and son badly for some unclear reasons, Vietnam stood up and chased America out of his garden, although he got several injures.

During that time, Cambodia told China about his will to erase his current family to free himself for a new marriage and got China support. China gave him money to buy gun and promise to keep quiet.

While Vietnam was putting bandage on his wife’s and his own wounds from the fight with America, Cambodia quietly came over to Vietnam’s garden and stabbed Vietnam’s son who was playing there. Hearing his son’s scream desperately, Vietnam rushed out to see his son in a blood pond. He could only have enough time calling his wife to take care of the poor boy and ran followed Cambodia.

Cambodia ran back home and locked his wife and daughter in a room, shoot one of his son in his head, beat the other son till dead, and kept hitting his wife and toddle who were tied to a chair. Vietnam was in front of Cambodia’s house knocking on the door to ask Cambodia out to talk; in reply he could only hear Cambodia’s wife and little toddle scream in dismay.

The whole neighbourhood heard the scream. China turned his music loud pretending he could not hear anything. People from other nearby houses peered their heads out of their windows asking what’s happening? America knew Cambodia’s wife and children were in danger but because all of his hatred to Vietnam he just hoped Cambodia would kill Vietnam too. So America shouted to everybody to get back to their houses, nothing wrong.

At this state, Vietnam decided to break into Cambodia’s window, ran through the kitchen, up to the bedroom where Cambodia’s stabling nonstop his wife. He broke in the room, fought Cambodia to the floor, got shot in his leg but managed to tie Cambodia’s hands.

China saw it all, he ran out in front of Cambodia’s house and shouted to all neighbours, “Vietnam intruded Cambodia, I’ll teach him a lesson”. And there he ran to Vietnam’s house with his son holding the sharpest knives that they have; they broke the door and immediately stabbed Vietnam’s injured wife and son. Vietnam’s wife bravely fought back, got many wound but managed to badly injure China. Vietnam’s wife let China and his son to withdraw and she hurried back to her son who was bleeding on the floor. On the way out, China and his son destroyed the whole Vietnam’s kitchen.

In front of Cambodia’s house, all neighbours were drawn by America and China and were shouting at Vietnam who was inside, condemned his action as an intruder and asking him out to give his hand up. Nobody care to Vietnam’s wife and son who were begging for help just nearby. Vietnam untied Cambodia’s wife and toddle, gave them a knife to protect themselves, and then decided to go back home to take his wife and son to hospital. When Vietnam’s gone, all neighbours got in and called police to catch the already tied Cambodia. On the way Vietnam drove his car to hospital, people yelled at him for his intrusion into Cambodia’s house.

Sometime later, Cambodia’s wife and toddle recovered, and now lived in the house with no man. China is tempted by Cambodia’s wife, they have kept flirting recently. To bribe Cambodia’s daughter, China have bought a lot of sweet for her. This naïve little girl enjoys the sweet so much that now she likes China more than anyone else. And as her memory about what happened faded away, she even starts learning Vietnam hatred from China.

At Cambodia’s tribunal, he was the only one who faced the verdict, the one who gave him support was not named. America and other neighbours got medals for their courage acts. Vietnam’s name was never mentioned. However, in some of their accusation, Cambodia’s wife and daughter blame Vietnam for intruding into their house and ask for his compensation for their broken windows and doors. When being asked about “gratitude”, they answer “We could have been able to free ourselves without Vietnam’s intervention”

 

[BoQ77]

General Giap and Prince Souphanouvong in a joint-strike meeting in 1953,

In the background banner : The spirit of Vietnam - Laos solidation forever !!!

 

[Carlosa]

Cambodian Defense Delegation Visits Thailand Amid Tensions

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Earlier this week, Cambodia’s deputy prime minister and defense minister paid a visit to neighboring Thailand to strengthen military ties between the two countries. Thailand experienced a coup in May of this year that has left the country under the rule of a military junta, led by General Prayuth Chan-ocha. The Cambodian delegation was led by Defense Minister General Tea Banh who met with a variety of Thai military leaders, including Supreme Commander Thanasak Patimaprakon and General Prayuth. The visit marks the first high-level military meeting between the two countries since the Thai military seized power in May. The visit takes place amid accusations from Thailand that Cambodia is harboring anti-junta activists.

According to The Cambodia Daily, the Cambodian delegation expressed its confidence in the leadership of the Thai military junta, stating that they believed that the military will bring “peace and order” to Thailand and that Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen, “understands the situation in Thailand very well.” Banh told the Cambodian media that the two sides discussed military cooperation without providing details about what specific topics were discussed. The Cambodian delegation also raised the issue of migrant workers.

The Cambodian side further assured the Thai military junta that it would not harbor any Thai political activists, including Thai red shirt activists. The “red shirts,” in contrast with the pro-monarchy “yellow shirts,” support the ousted government of Yingluck Shinawatra and her exiled brother, Thaksin Shinawatra. Since the Thai coup, several red shirt activists have had arrest warrants issued against them by the National Council for Peace and Order, the post-coup apex governing body in the country. The Thai military suspects that many have crossed the border into Cambodia.

In general, the Cambodian delegation went to great lengths to convey to the Thai military junta that it was entirely in favor of the coup in Thailand and of what the military was doing to maintain law and order in the country. Banh assured Prayuth that everyone from Cambodian King Norodom Sihamoni to the country’s generals and politicians support the Thai junta.

For Cambodia, the Thai coup represents a significant source of risk. As other analysts have noted, since the coup, Thailand’s military junta has deported thousands of Cambodian migrant workers. These migrant workers send back remittances from the wages they earn in Thailand. As such, the Thai coup will have economic consequences for Cambodia. Given the populist nature of Yingluck Shinawatra’s government policies, the junta apparently feared that these migrant workers would become an additional political nuisance by backing the red shirt cause in Thailand.


Cambodian Defense Delegation Visits Thailand Amid Tensions | The Diplomat

Just diplomatic words, the Cambodians (and everybody else for that matter) don't like the military coup and its leaders, they know very well who they are and what they represent.

These people are very dark and ruthless. General Prayuth, now the prime minister, was in charge of the repression against the red shirts a few years ago where a lot of unarmed civilians where killed and in one episode where unarmed civilians (including nurses that were helping the wounded) took refuge inside a temple, army snipers gunned them down.

You know how Thai people feel about temples, so that tells you something about the army.

The Thai army is not something to admire or to be proud of, they have been for many years and still are now, the instrument that keeps the Thai oligarchy, royalty and elite in power at the expense of the rights and needs of the population. When something threatens the status quo, you have a military coup. Thailand had more military coups than any other country in Asia.

During the yellow shirt demonstrations against the Yingluck government earlier this year, the yellow shirts, in their fanatical quest to grab power even got their own people murdered during red flag operations where Navy seals threw grenades at the demonstrators or fire on them so that they could blame the government and get the military to make a coup.

Interesting enough, they were exposed, street cameras showed the video of a navy seal trowing a grenade (the army said he was not on duty that day) and several times the police caught and arrested seal teams heavily armed in the vicinity of the demonstrations or in their way to it.

That's the Thai military.

 

[Aepsilons]

Just diplomatic words, the Cambodians (and everybody else for that matter) don't like the military coup and its leaders, they know very well who they are and what they represent.

These people are very dark and ruthless. General Prayuth, now the prime minister, was in charge of the repression against the red shirts a few years ago where a lot of unarmed civilians where killed and in one episode where unarmed civilians (including nurses that were helping the wounded) took refuge inside a temple, army snipers gunned them down.

You know how Thai people feel about temples, so that tells you something about the army.

The Thai army is not something to admire or to be proud of, they have been for many years and still are now, the instrument that keeps the Thai oligarchy, royalty and elite in power at the expense of the rights and needs of the population. When something threatens the status quo, you have a military coup. Thailand had more military coups than any other country in Asia.

During the yellow shirt demonstrations against the Yingluck government earlier this year, the yellow shirts, in their fanatical quest to grab power even got their own people murdered during red flag operations where Navy seals threw grenades at the demonstrators or fire on them so that they could blame the government and get the military to make a coup.

Interesting enough, they were exposed, street cameras showed the video of a navy seal trowing a grenade (the army said he was not on duty that day) and several times the police caught and arrested seal teams heavily armed in the vicinity of the demonstrations or in their way to it.

That's the Thai military.

I appreciate your analysis on the situation. Definitely it gives us , all students of Southeast Asian politics, a sense of comprehension on what's going on in Thailand. Its also interesting to know that Thailand will maintain this present form of government till 2016. Till then, we can only hope for stability in Thailand.

 

[Carlosa]

I appreciate your analysis on the situation. Definitely it gives us , all students of Southeast Asian politics, a sense of comprehension on what's going on in Thailand. Its also interesting to know that Thailand will maintain this present form of government till 2016. Till then, we can only hope for stability in Thailand.

The military government has steadily extended the dates of their term in power, they've been clearly acting in typical Thai style, trying to make it look like a little thing that they were forced to do for the sake of Thailand and stability while steadily clearly showing that they have very extensive designs. That's why the international criticism has been unusually tough, foreign governments see what is really going on and what their aims are. By the way, the clampdown on freedom of speech by the military government is the worst that has ever been seen in Thailand.

Here is a good analysis from a Thai exiled in USA:

Interview: Thai Democracy Is Gone and Won't Return Anytime Soon

A good article on corruption in the military:

Thai Junta Beset By Corruption Scandals | The Diplomat

 

[Aepsilons]

A clear case of 1 step forward, 3 steps back....

The military government has steadily extended the dates of their term in power, they've been clearly acting in typical Thai style, trying to make it look like a little thing that they were forced to do for the sake of Thailand and stability while steadily clearly showing that they have very extensive designs. That's why the international criticism has been unusually tough, foreign governments see what is really going on and what their aims are. By the way, the clampdown on freedom of speech by the military government is the worst that has ever been seen in Thailand.

Here is a good analysis from a Thai exiled in USA:

Interview: Thai Democracy Is Gone and Won't Return Anytime Soon

A good article on corruption in the military:

Thai Junta Beset By Corruption Scandals | The Diplomat

Cambodia cashes in on China’s New Silk Road initiative

Money, guns, human resources, ambulances, surveillance equipment, military trucks, helicopters, computers and training. It seems Cambodia can have it all from China, Asia’s largest economy and the second largest in the world.

After visiting China to attend a dialogue on strengthening APEC cooperation, Cambodia’s Prime Minister Hun Sen returned late last week with news of hundreds of millions of dollars of financial support from China and the strengthening of cooperation between the two countries.

Cambodian officials called last week’s trip a “fruitful visit”.

China has agreed to give donations and loans to Cambodia worth at least US$500 million per year to help the impoverished country to develop its infrastructure and economy, said Kao Kim Hourn, a minister attached to the prime minister.

So far this year, Hun Sen has visited China three times.

China has been gradually increasing donations and military support to Cambodia in recent years, and strengthening its influence.

In 2010, the U.S. canceled its shipment of 200 military trucks and trailers promised to Cambodia after the Southeast Asian country sent 20 Chinese Uighur asylum seekers back to China despite objections from the U.S. and the United Nations.

Two days after Uighur’s deportation, Cambodia singed 14 deals with China worth more than US$1 billion, the New York Times reported. More than 250 military vehicles and 50,000 military uniforms were provided to Cambodia by China after the U.S.’s military aid cancelation.

In April 2012, ahead of Cambodia’s chairing of the Association of South East Asian Nations (ASEAN) Summit, former Chinese President Hu Jintao met with Hun Sen to pledge a doubling of bilateral trade to US$5 billion within 5 years. Chinese officials also said they would provide US$70 million in loans to Cambodia.

Cambodian leaders at the time agreed to limit the scope of discussions at the summit, notably keeping the South China Sea issue off the agenda.

Later the same year in July, a summit of ASEAN foreign ministers held in Phnom Penh was overshadowed by the South China Sea issue, parts of which are claimed by China, Malaysia, Vietnam, Taiwan and Brunei. In the end, the members were unable to form a unified voice on the subject, which said little for ASEAN cooperation and foreign policy.

Political analyst said at the time that China was trying to influence and pressure Cambodia to protect its political interests.

In February last year China gave 26 military trucks and 30,000 sets of military uniforms to Cambodia. China gave 1,000 handguns with 50,000 bullets to Cambodia’s National Police in August 2013. Later, in November, China completed its sale of a dozen Chinese-built Z-9 military helicopters worth nearly US$200 million, which will be paid off by the Cambodian government over time.

In May this year, China donated US$112 million and gave US$33 million in concession loans to the Cambodian government. Hun Sen claimed loan was offered to help Cambodia with the hosting of the 2023 Southeast Asian Games.

China has raised US$40 billion to set up its Silk Road Fund aimed at developing the infrastructures of its Asian neighbors, with a view to developing cooperation and trade.

Not surprisingly, Hun Sen has shown strong support for Chinese President Xi Jingping’s initiative.

“The prime minister stressed his support for China regarding the creation of the investment bank for Asia infrastructure, the Silk Road Fund,” said Kim Hourn.

China has also promised to help Cambodia’s economy by assisting with export of rice to China, and further visits by the countries’ two leaders are expected in the near future.

“[The Chinese] government has announced that this is not a competition, but it is a new mechanism to support Asia’s economies, especially to developing countries as they want to develop infrastructure. We want a lot of capital, so China has new policy to support developing countries in Asia continent,” said Kim Hourn.

Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen and his delegation traveled to Burma (Myanmar) Tuesday to attend the 25th ASEAN Summit and other meetings in capital Nay Pyi Taw. It will be interesting to see whether he will be pushing China’s agenda there.

Cambodia cashes in on China’s New Silk Road initiative | Asian Correspondent

 

[Ayan81]

A clear case of 1 step forward, 3 steps back....




Cambodia cashes in on China’s New Silk Road initiative

Money, guns, human resources, ambulances, surveillance equipment, military trucks, helicopters, computers and training. It seems Cambodia can have it all from China, Asia’s largest economy and the second largest in the world.

After visiting China to attend a dialogue on strengthening APEC cooperation, Cambodia’s Prime Minister Hun Sen returned late last week with news of hundreds of millions of dollars of financial support from China and the strengthening of cooperation between the two countries.

Cambodian officials called last week’s trip a “fruitful visit”.

China has agreed to give donations and loans to Cambodia worth at least US$500 million per year to help the impoverished country to develop its infrastructure and economy, said Kao Kim Hourn, a minister attached to the prime minister.

So far this year, Hun Sen has visited China three times.

China has been gradually increasing donations and military support to Cambodia in recent years, and strengthening its influence.

In 2010, the U.S. canceled its shipment of 200 military trucks and trailers promised to Cambodia after the Southeast Asian country sent 20 Chinese Uighur asylum seekers back to China despite objections from the U.S. and the United Nations.

Two days after Uighur’s deportation, Cambodia singed 14 deals with China worth more than US$1 billion, the New York Times reported. More than 250 military vehicles and 50,000 military uniforms were provided to Cambodia by China after the U.S.’s military aid cancelation.

In April 2012, ahead of Cambodia’s chairing of the Association of South East Asian Nations (ASEAN) Summit, former Chinese President Hu Jintao met with Hun Sen to pledge a doubling of bilateral trade to US$5 billion within 5 years. Chinese officials also said they would provide US$70 million in loans to Cambodia.

Cambodian leaders at the time agreed to limit the scope of discussions at the summit, notably keeping the South China Sea issue off the agenda.

Later the same year in July, a summit of ASEAN foreign ministers held in Phnom Penh was overshadowed by the South China Sea issue, parts of which are claimed by China, Malaysia, Vietnam, Taiwan and Brunei. In the end, the members were unable to form a unified voice on the subject, which said little for ASEAN cooperation and foreign policy.

Political analyst said at the time that China was trying to influence and pressure Cambodia to protect its political interests.

In February last year China gave 26 military trucks and 30,000 sets of military uniforms to Cambodia. China gave 1,000 handguns with 50,000 bullets to Cambodia’s National Police in August 2013. Later, in November, China completed its sale of a dozen Chinese-built Z-9 military helicopters worth nearly US$200 million, which will be paid off by the Cambodian government over time.

In May this year, China donated US$112 million and gave US$33 million in concession loans to the Cambodian government. Hun Sen claimed loan was offered to help Cambodia with the hosting of the 2023 Southeast Asian Games.

China has raised US$40 billion to set up its Silk Road Fund aimed at developing the infrastructures of its Asian neighbors, with a view to developing cooperation and trade.

Not surprisingly, Hun Sen has shown strong support for Chinese President Xi Jingping’s initiative.

“The prime minister stressed his support for China regarding the creation of the investment bank for Asia infrastructure, the Silk Road Fund,” said Kim Hourn.

China has also promised to help Cambodia’s economy by assisting with export of rice to China, and further visits by the countries’ two leaders are expected in the near future.

“[The Chinese] government has announced that this is not a competition, but it is a new mechanism to support Asia’s economies, especially to developing countries as they want to develop infrastructure. We want a lot of capital, so China has new policy to support developing countries in Asia continent,” said Kim Hourn.

Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen and his delegation traveled to Burma (Myanmar) Tuesday to attend the 25th ASEAN Summit and other meetings in capital Nay Pyi Taw. It will be interesting to see whether he will be pushing China’s agenda there.

Cambodia cashes in on China’s New Silk Road initiative | Asian Correspondent

I guess this is price for Cambodia for blocking any notion to reach a code of conduct back in ASEAN Summit. You gotta do what you gotta do right. But at least your military and officials are serious in modernizing your army not like mine.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Cambodia Major General commander Srey Dek, right, arm wrestles with Thai Major General Kanok:

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khmer surin song - kontrim - Pop song - khmer song - YouTube



@Kiss_of_the_Dragon

Khamer and Thai are natural brothers, both cultures influencing each other, China should work togheter with both of them and prevent other nation from spoiling their relations and turn them into enemies.

Take a look a Khmer ingeniousity of creating a new musical instrument

 

[Nike]

You are thinking from the perspective of price, but can a JF-17 block 1survive against an F-16 or grippen? No, it wont. But an 11 million Spyder firing unit will surely shoot them down.

even the most formidable Air Defense of VPA (some experts argue if North Vietnam at the time has the most formidable Air Defense System in the world) during the Vietnam war can't stop American Rolling Thunder operation and still USAF can lay waste against any Vietnam cities far north, you must taking into account Manpads, AAA and medium range SAM systems need a comprehensive layer defense array just for the sake for them to working properly. And to getting that's capability you need money in large sums.

My points is, Cambodia is doing fine (rather they have an excessive Armed forces) compared to their people Standard of Living, GDP and total population they had. Surely Cambodia can have a formidable armed forces if only they can strive to get more richer than their neighbor just like what Singapore has done for several decades. They should get more focus to infrastructure development and rising the standard of living of their folks with proper and better education systems, free of corruption business system, and stopping all of their Political cahoots among their politician. Singapore is the most finest example to be followed by Cambodia......

 

[Carlosa]

even the most formidable Air Defense of VPA (some experts argue if North Vietnam at the time has the most formidable Air Defense System in the world) during the Vietnam war can't stop American Rolling Thunder operation and still USAF can lay waste against any Vietnam cities far north, you must taking into account Manpads, AAA and medium range SAM systems need a comprehensive layer defense array just for the sake for them to working properly. And to getting that's capability you need money in large sums.

My points is, Cambodia is doing fine (rather they have an excessive Armed forces) compared to their people Standard of Living, GDP and total population they had. Surely Cambodia can have a formidable armed forces if only they can strive to get more richer than their neighbor just like what Singapore has done for several decades. They should get more focus to infrastructure development and rising the standard of living of their folks with proper and better education systems, free of corruption business system, and stopping all of their Political cahoots among their politician. Singapore is the most finest example to be followed by Cambodia......

I agree and my conclusion point anyway was that Camboda, with a defense budget of just 650 million, can't really afford to have fighter jets, a cheap air defense system is just a much cheaper option or to wait until their economy grows further.

even the most formidable Air Defense of VPA (some experts argue if North Vietnam at the time has the most formidable Air Defense System in the world) during the Vietnam war can't stop American Rolling Thunder operation and still USAF can lay waste against any Vietnam cities far north, you must taking into account Manpads, AAA and medium range SAM systems need a comprehensive layer defense array just for the sake for them to working properly. And to getting that's capability you need money in large sums.

My points is, Cambodia is doing fine (rather they have an excessive Armed forces) compared to their people Standard of Living, GDP and total population they had. Surely Cambodia can have a formidable armed forces if only they can strive to get more richer than their neighbor just like what Singapore has done for several decades. They should get more focus to infrastructure development and rising the standard of living of their folks with proper and better education systems, free of corruption business system, and stopping all of their Political cahoots among their politician. Singapore is the most finest example to be followed by Cambodia......

Off topic but I'd like to ask you, what prices did Indonesia pay for the 2 variants of Sigma ships and are the onboard missiles included in those prices? At the Viet forum we are trying to figure out why the Sigmas for Vietnam are $350 million each. Thank you.

 

[Nike]

I agree and my conclusion point anyway was that Camboda, with a defense budget of just 650 million, can't really afford to have fighter jets, a cheap air defense system is just a much cheaper option or to wait until their economy grows further.



Off topic but I'd like to ask you, what prices did Indonesia paid for the 2 variants of Sigma ships and are the onboard missiles included in those prices? At the Viet forum we are trying to figure out why the Sigmas for Vietnam are $350 million each. Thank you.

the total cost around 360 million US dollar, yes that's including the missile system (VL MICA and Exocet Block III)

 

[Aepsilons]

I guess this is price for Cambodia for blocking any notion to reach a code of conduct back in ASEAN Summit. You gotta do what you gotta do right. But at least your military and officials are serious in modernizing your army not like mine.

They (Cambodians) are a shrimp among two whales (Vietnam, Thailand) and thus they have to court any power that can offset the power influence in their region. China has been an ally of theirs even during the Khmer Rouge era under Pot Pot.